IvyBballFan
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03-06-22 05:47 PM - Post#338231
Predictions for All-Ivy (players within teams in alphabetical order):
First Team
Jordan Dingle, Penn, Soph, G
Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton, Jr, F
Noah Kirkwood, Harvard, Sr, F
Azar Swain, Yale, Sr, G
Ethan Wright, Princeton, Sr, G
Second Team
Brendan Barry, Dartmouth, Grad, G
Tamenang Choh, Brown, Grad, F
Jalen Gabbidon, Yale, Sr, G
Jaylan Gainey, Brown, Sr, C
Jaelin Llewellyn, Princeton, Sr, G
HM
Ryan Langborg, Princeton, Jr, G
Max Martz, Penn, Soph, F
If it were possible, one could actually consider naming the entire Cornell team as a single unit which deserves HM, too. The team would not have made the ILT if any one of them were missing.
POY- Wright, Princeton
DPOY- Gainey, Brown
Co-ROYs-Lilly, Brown & Rai, Dartmouth
Aaryn Rai crashed this list by averaging 9R, 16P over Dartmouth’s last five games, with three double-doubles, to lead the Green to a fifth place finish.
COY- Brian Earl
Coach Earl has done everything one can ask of a fifth year coach at one of the Ivy League’s (let’s face it…) basketball mini-four. He took a team led by Courtney recruits Morgan and Gettings to the 2018 Ivy League Tournament and then a Morgan-led team to the CIT in 2019.
Now his odyssey continues as he takes a star-less team of his own guys to the ILT, using a coaching approach not seen in the Ivies for many years. That’s darn impressive.
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Old Bear
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03-06-22 06:11 PM - Post#338232
In response to IvyBballFan
I don't believe Rai is eligible for ROY.
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Tiger81
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03-06-22 06:43 PM - Post#338235
In response to Old Bear
Drew Friberg is a more likely HM All-Ivy than Ryan and Tosan a more likely POY than Ethan, IMHO.
And while I agree Coach Earl has done a great job this season, his team finished 7-7. I believe Coach Henderson, whose team was picked third pre-season and then went 12-2, is a more deserving COY.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-06-22 07:13 PM - Post#338236
In response to IvyBballFan
On the Penn side, I would have to add Clark Slajchert to the ROY mix. I think he may also deserve HM more than Max Martz does.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-06-22 07:33 PM - Post#338238
In response to Tiger81
Rai is a Senior!
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SRP
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03-06-22 07:58 PM - Post#338242
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Tosan would be the most logical Tiger POY candidate, since everything starts with his unique skills and effort. It’s true that things often finish with Wright, who provides whatever is needed that game, but Tosan is the straw that stirs the drink, somewhat revamping the “Princeton center” role.
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IvyBballFan
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03-06-22 09:50 PM - Post#338246
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Rai is a Senior!
Whoops. Thanks to you, HDG, and one poster above for picking me up! My bad!
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whitakk
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03-06-22 10:01 PM - Post#338248
In response to SRP
Not predictions but my own picks are:
First team:
Tosan (POY)
Dingle
Kirkwood
Swain
Choh
Second team:
Llewellyn
Gabbidon
Wright
Noll
Barry
ROY: Lilly, but basically even with Slajchert
COY: Earl, but would be fine with Henderson too
DPOY: lean Gabbidon but not much feel here, could be convinced by Gainey or a dark horse. (Believe it or not Dartmouth had the league's best defense if you control for 3P%/FT% luck.)
As for what the votes will be, I think Llewellyn will get on the first team somehow, maybe over Choh or maybe we get (at least?) six players with ties again, and no idea how POY shakes out.
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westcoast
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03-06-22 10:37 PM - Post#338250
In response to whitakk
Here are my picks:
First Team
Jordan Dingle, Penn, Soph, G
Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton, Jr, F
Noah Kirkwood, Harvard, Sr, F
Jaelin Llewellyn, Princeton, Sr, G
Azar Swain, Yale, Sr, G
Second Team
Brendan Barry, Dartmouth, Grad, G
Tamenang Choh, Brown, Grad, F
Jalen Gabbidon, Yale, Sr, G
Jaylan Gainey, Brown, Sr, C
Ethan Wright, Princeton, Sr, G
HM: Friberg, Langborg, Martz, Noll, Rai, Slajchert
POY: Evbuomwan
ROY: Lilly over Slajchert
DPOY: Gabbidon/Gainey (tie)
COY: Henderson over Earl
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Penndemonium
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03-06-22 10:41 PM - Post#338251
In response to westcoast
Just curious b/c I don't really follow the other Ivy teams. Is Dingle a strong POY candidate this year? He seems worthy but I am completely ignorant about the rest of the league.
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palestra38
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03-06-22 10:54 PM - Post#338254
In response to Penndemonium
Being a soph, it's really unlikely. But Jordan is the leading scorer in the League by over 3 ppg, on a team with fewer other offensive weapons than any of his competitors. He would clearly be PoY if it weren't for his 2nd year status.
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SomeGuy
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03-06-22 11:37 PM - Post#338258
In response to palestra38
I wouldn’t be shocked if Dingle is POY, but I also wouldn’t be shocked if all the seniors manage to squeeze him to 2nd team, as crazy as that probably sounds.
I’m still picking Manon for ROY and Earl for COY.
Best guess is POY comes from Princeton. I’m just not sure who it will be.
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Tiger84
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03-07-22 01:18 AM - Post#338267
In response to SomeGuy
Dingle is clearly first team along with Kirkwood, Swain and Evbuomwan. The 5th will be either Llewelyn or Wright, take your pick. Only Azar and Tosan are in the discussion for POTY.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-07-22 09:27 AM - Post#338274
In response to westcoast
I wholeheartedly agree with west coast. All of his picks are good ones.
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Ever True
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03-07-22 10:51 AM - Post#338284
In response to ToothlessTiger
FWIW, the perspective from the analytics sites.
Ivy League all-Kenpom
Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton, Jr, F
Azar Swain, Yale, Sr, G
Jordan Dingle, Penn, So, G
Noah Kirkwood, Harvard, Sr, G
Tamenang Choh, Brown, Grad, F
Torvik (10 best players according to Torvik's PRPG!*)
First Team
Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton, Jr, F
Jordan Dingle, Penn, So, G
Ethan Wright, Princeton, Sr, G
Noah Kirkwood, Harvard, Sr, G
Jaelin Llewellyn, Princeton, Sr, G
Second Team
Keller Boothby, Cornell, So, G
Azar Swain, Yale, Sr, G
Tamenang Choh, Brown, Grad, F
Brendan Barry, Dartmouth, Grad, G
Max Martz, Penn, So, F
*Description of PRPG! here: https://www.bigtengeeks.com/new-stat-porpagatu/#u p...
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PennFan10
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03-07-22 01:31 PM - Post#338305
In response to Ever True
I believe each coach nominates their own players and then all the coaches vote for each team/award. Usually the top 5 vote getters will be 1st team and the others get bumped to 2nd team/HM
Princeton will get the POY and it will be whomever Henderson nominates for the award. If he puts forth Tosan, Llewellyn, or EW that's who it will be.
I'd be shocked if Henderson weren't COY.
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rbg
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Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-07-22 02:02 PM - Post#338307
In response to PennFan10
Men
First Team
Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton, F
Noah Kirkwood, Harvard, F
Jordan Dingle, Penn, Soph, G
Azar Swain, Yale, Sr, G
Jaelin Llewellyn, Princeton, Sr, G
Second Team
Tamenang Choh, Brown, Grad, F
Brendan Barry, Dartmouth, Grad, G
Jalen Gabbidon, Yale, Sr, G
Ethan Wright, Princeton, Sr, G
Dean Noll, Cornell, Sr, G
HM: Friberg (Princeton), Martz (Penn), Gainey (Brown)
POY: Evbuomwan
ROY: Lilly
DPOY: Gainey
COY: Henderson
Women
First Team
Kaitlyn Davis, Columbia, Jr, F
Camilla Emsbo, Yale, Jr, F
Abby Meyers, Princeton, Sr, G
Julia Cunningham, Princeton, Jr, G
Abbey Hsu, Columbia, Soph, G
Second Team
Jordan Obi, Penn, Soph, F
McKenzie Forbes, Jr, F/G
Kayla Padilla, Penn, Jr, G
Harmoni Turner, Harvard, FY, G
Jenna Clark, Yale, Soph, G
HM: Mbanefo (Cornell), Mitchell (Princeton), Stone (Princeton)
POY: Meyers
ROY: Turner
DPOY: Emsbo
COY: Berube
Edited by rbg on 03-07-22 02:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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03-07-22 02:06 PM - Post#338310
In response to PennFan10
Agreed....I think the only question is ROY. But Lilly probably has an advantage because (1) it's a way to give something to Brown, (2) He was a starter and Slajchert came off the bench and (3) he's a true freshman and Slajchert is a soph
But Slajchert's numbers are better.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-07-22 03:36 PM - Post#338322
In response to palestra38
Chris Manon: 10.2ppg; 3.6rpg; 1.8apg; 48.8 fg%; 0.4 blocks; 1.8 steals
Clark Slajchert: 11.0ppg; 2.2rpg; 1.3apg; 47.3 fg%; 0.0 blocks; 0.5 steals
Kino Lilly: 13.3ppg; 1.6rpg; 2.4apg; 43.4 fg%; 0.1 blocks; 1.3 steal
Just on these numbers alone I would go with Manon.
Also, Manon became the defacto leader of Cornell on the court.
For me, the clincher is that due to Cornell's 10+ man rotation, Manon played 18 minutes per game whereas Slachert played 24.1 min/g and Lilly 29.7 min/g.
Not only is Manon the best defender and likely his team's leader in his first year, but if you look at stats per 40 minutes, Manon blows them away.
For example, in conference games, points per 40 minutes would be:
24.8 Manon
18.1 Slachert
17.4 Lilly
Manon is unquestionably the best defender (block and steals) and rebounder. In conference he also easily had more assists per 40 minutes as well;
4.15 Manon
2.72 Lily
2.19 Slachert
For those of you leaning on Lily's 3 point shooting, Manon prevails as well (in conference):
51.2% Manon
51.1% Slachert
43.4% Lily
The only statistics that favor anyone other than Manon are minutes played and FT%. The minutes were merely a product of Cornell's usage.
Based on play this season, Manon is easily the choice. If I had a chance to recruit one of these guys away from Cornell, I'd choose Manon as well.
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palestra38
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Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-07-22 03:42 PM - Post#338323
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Manon is shooting .385 from 3 in conference (don't know where you are getting the 3 point shooting number), shooting FT's at 62.5% and making a whopping 2.6 TOs in 18.6 minutes. That will probably disqualify him.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chris...
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