SteveChop
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05-04-22 10:09 AM - Post#341095
An interesting proposal as to a major revision to scheduling. Any thoughts?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...
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palestra38
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Re: New NCAA Scheduling Model
05-04-22 10:23 AM - Post#341098
In response to SteveChop
I don't see why it has any relevance to a 1-tourney team league such as the Ivies. It's basically a "Bracket Buster" concept for multi-invite leagues.
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LocalTiger
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05-05-22 07:46 AM - Post#341129
In response to palestra38
I don't read it that way. If the Ivies could adjust the League schedule to participate, there is an opportunity for late in the season
quality wins, which might help get a League winner who loses in the
Tournament in. Not saying that would happen every year, but
it might be a step in the right direction.
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palestra38
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05-05-22 08:28 AM - Post#341130
In response to LocalTiger
I don't see any team in a conference which regularly gets a second team in being willing to play Ivy teams in such a format. Nothing in it for them. Playing other one-bid conference teams is unlikely to help us Bust the Bracket.
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Silver Maple
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05-05-22 10:00 AM - Post#341133
In response to palestra38
I don't see any team in a conference which regularly gets a second team in being willing to play Ivy teams in such a format. Nothing in it for them. Playing other one-bid conference teams is unlikely to help us Bust the Bracket.
Agreed. The only way multi-bid conference teams would do this is if they have no choice but to participate, and if they have to take the matchups they're given. Is that what's being proposed?
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PennFan10
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05-05-22 10:14 AM - Post#341136
In response to Silver Maple
That's how I read it. Doesn't make sense otherwise. It says the top 10 conferences won't participate (no upside) but the next 22 are willing to be involved and the matchups would be determined by "algorithm".
Seems like you opt in and then take whatever comes. You can't let teams pick and choose or the whole thing falls apart.
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LocalTiger
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05-05-22 01:02 PM - Post#341143
In response to PennFan10
Agreed, and that is an opportunity for the Ivies, Patriot, MAAC
and others.
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palestra38
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05-05-22 01:52 PM - Post#341146
In response to LocalTiger
An opportunity to win a game, I suppose, but it does nothing to assist the Ivies in getting a second bid. We'd be playing the same teams we play in our nonconference schedule and generally at a level below our league since the Ivies are pretty consistently one of the better 1-bid conferences.
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PennFan10
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05-05-22 03:33 PM - Post#341150
In response to palestra38
How do you know who we would be playing?
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palestra38
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05-05-22 03:45 PM - Post#341151
In response to PennFan10
I am assuming the computer would be matching teams of comparable conferences. If they are matching teams of comparable rankings irrespective of conference, I can't imagine why teams from conferences of more than one bid would be willing to do this---after all, they are assuming the best conferences won't do this at all.
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PennFan10
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05-05-22 05:02 PM - Post#341157
In response to palestra38
It really depends on who commits to it. If it's just the bottom 15-20 leagues you are right. If all 26 of the non power conferences commit, it could be very interesting. Of course the bottom leagues would all want to do it. If you get the AAC, MWC WCC, A10, that would be sweet. Penn/Gonzaga in Feb!
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palestra38
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New NCAA Scheduling Model
05-05-22 05:04 PM - Post#341158
In response to PennFan10
Don't the metrics put teams at comparable levels together? If it's Penn-Gonzaga, it's a bracket buster for just one team (in the exceptionally unlikely event Penn could win that game)? Wouldn't a Gonzaga be put up against, say a Houston?
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LocalTiger
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05-05-22 05:16 PM - Post#341159
In response to palestra38
The Tournament Committee always says it puts more weight on quality wins late in the season. The chance to add a Quartile 1 0r 2 win late could be meaningful. Again, I am not saying it assures
a second bid, only that it could help.
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PennFan10
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Re: New NCAA Scheduling Model
05-05-22 05:27 PM - Post#341160
In response to palestra38
Probably, the article did say they would likely pair Quad B vs Quad B and A v A. But a quality Quad B win late would help the Ivy seeding for NCAA if nothing else so it's not a complete waste and if we can build up our league to top 10 or so and start getting some non con wins early in the season, that's how you build a resume for a 2nd bid (for a reg season champ that loses in ILT) but that's a ways off at best.
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