Chet Forte
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 07-28-22 04:49 PM - Post#343618
Why no news? Compare this to what football and baseball do to keep supporters of the program engaged. Engles may have a strong incoming class, but come on, nothing all summer?
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cc66
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07-28-22 09:22 PM - Post#343625
In response to Chet Forte
True, plus it's almost August, and we still haven't heard any news about the incoming recruits for WBB.
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JDP
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07-28-22 11:03 PM - Post#343627
In response to cc66
I see two recruits - I suspect there was a hard push for some transfers to augment the 2 person sophomore class or even a junior, someone who would be another weapon against Princeton and support a very strong team that could compete for a second bid, but nothing seems to have panned out.
So far only 1 in the class of 23 ... which has to be a big class and a rebuilding class - as there are 7 seniors on a team of 15.
Class of 22:
Perri Page
https://twitter.com/PagePerri/status/1345 050886419...
Susannah Rafiu
https://www.hoopsfix.com/2021/07/susannah-rafi u-03...
Class of 23
Emily Montes
https://twitter.com/EmilyMontes305/status /14437451...
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cc66
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07-29-22 05:46 AM - Post#343632
In response to JDP
Yes, those are the recruits. But why haven't we yet seen an official announcement from the team?
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JDP
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07-30-22 10:50 AM - Post#343655
In response to cc66
Other that 2020 when the recruit press release came out on 10 Aug, Columbia typically sends out a new recruit press release in July. Likely Reality: Sports communications is behind. Any turnover in sports communications, such that there would be a natural reason for a delay? Perhaps with the July AAU open recruit window the copy has not been signed off by the coaches? If you have a glass half full type of optimism: hope for an extra extra late recruit / transfer that is still working through the admissions process, and the press release is on hold. But I suspect the Class of 22 admissions cycle book closes late June / mid July, not late July / early August.
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Chet Forte
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07-31-22 09:36 AM - Post#343663
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Do we have any reason to believe that we are now losing recruits in light of the USNWR decision to unbanked us in light of the failure of the administration to provide satisfactory documentation in support of our #2 ranking? I for one am disappointed that the alumni base has not been given some sort of statement explaining what went wrong here. I do know that our ranking was being used very heavily to support athletic recruiting.
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Chet Forte
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07-31-22 09:36 AM - Post#343664
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Pardon the typo—should read “unrank us”
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palestra38
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Summer news?
08-01-22 08:19 AM - Post#343668
In response to Chet Forte
It's not like what happened isn't known . A Columbia math professor who dislikes the entire nature of the rankings system, dove into Columbia's numbers and found that they were very unlikely to be correct. A report on what he found is here:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/columbia-is-r ank...
And here is his actual report:
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/inv ...
Let me add that I think virtually all colleges fudge numbers in one way or another---for example, Wash U and Chicago saw a massive rise in rankings after they played with wait-lists to drastically decrease their admission rate. As this professor notes, there is a rather extreme conflict of interest in allowing the colleges to submit their own statistics without any kind of indifferent review.
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Chet Forte
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08-01-22 09:55 AM - Post#343669
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My educated guess is that the growth of General Studies has led to this fiasco. GS was originally an extension school for “non-traditional students”, including vets, and was limited in size. Then some genius saw it as a money maker since it was going to rely upon tuition and additional capacity with a limited outlay of CapEx. So it aggressively started marketing itself (ads in national publications like The New Yorker) and admitted about half the applicant pool. If those statistics are taken into account the result would be disastrous for surveys like USNWR. So presumably this data was excluded, in my judgment properly so. The moral of the story is that Columbia tries to do too many things and spreads itself too thin. For starters I for one would phase out GS because it dilutes the brand,
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palestra38
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08-01-22 10:47 AM - Post#343670
In response to Chet Forte
Interesting thought. But if the idea were to keep it separate and the degree is different, I don't see why CU wouldn't exclude it and just specify that it has done so---leave it to USNWR to do something. Moreover, the idea of dropping a well intentioned effort to educate those who otherwise could not gain entry to Columbia because it affects the rankings just demonstrates how bogus the ranking system is. And while I agree with that sentiment, I don't think the general studies program is responsible for the numerous undercounts as laid out by the math prof. Anyway, I don't think this will hurt Columbia's brand at all--it's very different from a mid-market university that tried to cook its data (like Temple Business and Villanova Law did).
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Columbia 37P6
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08-01-22 02:33 PM - Post#343672
In response to palestra38
The Columbia Administration was foolish to allow this matter to fester rather than address it immediately. I have no idea what the whistleblower's intent was, but it is not unusual to question the veracity of statistical records maintained by any academic institution, anywhere. Certainly President Bollinger knows that so I am surprised that he did nothing when the issue arose.
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Chet Forte
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08-03-22 03:02 PM - Post#343712
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GS students are now demanding the same degree, as per Spec this Spring. The Administration has been too clever by half on GS. It dilutes the brand of the College and the University. This issue has been the cause of more or less open warfare between Bollinger and the last two College Deans.
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Chet Forte
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08-03-22 03:03 PM - Post#343713
In response to Chet Forte
And PS, the Engles newsletter which went out the other day is useless.
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Columbia 37P6
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08-04-22 09:33 AM - Post#343741
In response to Chet Forte
I no longer contribute to the men's basketball program so I did not read the newsletter. Nothing in there of any substance?
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Chet Forte
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08-07-22 11:27 AM - Post#343796
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Nothing . Nada. Compare MBB with what football does, and with what baseball does.
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