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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-14-22 09:06 PM - Post#333278
The matchups have been counterintuitive thus far in the Ivies, so who knows. I assume Martz gets first crack at Rai, and that will be an interesting matchup. Dartmouth’s bigs have been inconsistent, so on paper not as tough a guard as the first three games in the league for Mosh. But Adelekun has been coming on of late and Krystkowiak has had his moments. A little unclear to me who Dingle guards in this one. I guess Samuels/Cornish. Like Penn, Dartmouth has played a tough schedule, and I suspect they may finish higher than their current kenpom rank in the league (I would not be shocked if they snuck into the last 4). They are much better than Columbia. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 10:22 AM - Post#333283
One other observation—Dartmouth is similar to Brown in the sense they are much better on defense than offense. Dartmouth is the second best defensive team in the league (after Brown), and the second worst offensive team (only ahead of Columbia). Which is probably why Brown and Dartmouth had trouble cracking 100 total points against each other last Saturday. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1149 |
01-15-22 01:42 PM - Post#333286
One other observation—Dartmouth is similar to Brown in the sense they are much better on defense than offense. Dartmouth is the second best defensive team in the league (after Brown), and the second worst offensive team (only ahead of Columbia). Which is probably why Brown and Dartmouth had trouble cracking 100 total points against each other last Saturday. Brown is much more athletic than Dartmouth. We're a shooting team. If our threes aren't dropping, we have a hard time winning. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8258 
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01-15-22 02:30 PM - Post#333288
Penn is -5/-210 for no reason that I can discern. The over is 134. I think they go over that paltry number. Dartmouth does not present the frontcourt matchup issues Penn is vulnerable to, but they are a Senior-laden team with superior experience. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 02:36 PM - Post#333289
Agreed that athleticism isn’t what makes Dartmouth go. However, the way they use Rai and Wade makes them an interesting matchup. They have more length at the 3 and 4 positions than anyone in the league but Brown, and that presents an interesting matchup question. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 02:39 PM - Post#333290
Isn’t -5 exactly what kenpom says (assuming 3 points for home court)? That seems exactly right for the line. Though, as my posts make clear, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dartmouth wins. But I think Penn by 5 or so is the right line. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
01-15-22 03:07 PM - Post#333299
Did anyone see the lineups--every height was way off? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 
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01-15-22 03:23 PM - Post#333304
Really getting tiresome watching Dingle dribble into a perimeter double team and then throw the ball wildly without a clue where his teammates are. He does this multiple times per game and its in the opponents book on him that they can force him into easy TOs. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
01-15-22 03:30 PM - Post#333306
The defense is just ridiculous....allowing a slo-mo drive through 3 Matador defenders |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-15-22 03:30 PM - Post#333307
So how do you feel about him getting blocked on a breakaway after slowing down and going up off two feet? Not pretty. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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01-15-22 03:32 PM - Post#333309
So how do you feel about him getting blocked on a breakaway after slowing down and going up off two feet? Not pretty. Seriously. His decision-making overall last couple games has been dreadful |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-15-22 03:37 PM - Post#333310
Absolutely. Too much hero ball |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 03:49 PM - Post#333316
Not good execution at the end of the half there.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 04:34 PM - Post#333321
Both Mosh and Martz with 4 and 7:44 to go.
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Streamers Professor Posts 8258
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01-15-22 04:39 PM - Post#333322
I no longer recognize a 3 point HC advantage this year in the Ivy for reasons discussed in another thread. Same goes for the NFL BTW. Home teams are pretty bad ATS I’m the playoffs in recent years. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-15-22 04:45 PM - Post#333325
These refs are interesting. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 04:45 PM - Post#333326
Slack with the big inbounds steal and score, then his brother carries to turn it back over. Up 7 with 4.5 to go.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 04:46 PM - Post#333327
Williams with the steal and the carom off the defender for the turnover.
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Streamers Professor Posts 8258
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01-15-22 04:47 PM - Post#333328
Notice ESPN thinks we are still 2-0 in the league. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 04:50 PM - Post#333330
And Jelani again with the strong move for two and the foul.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 05:06 PM - Post#333334
78-68 final. All right, got it done. Also gonna have to pick it up on Monday against the furry hordes.
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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01-15-22 05:06 PM - Post#333335
Solid second half effort, shredding Dartmouth’s D and stepping it up just enough defensively. |
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Quake Show Junior Posts 218 |
01-15-22 05:07 PM - Post#333336
Williams, Monroe, Slajchert the heroes of this game. High effort plays, playing tough basketball, active hands, rebounding. Great comeback |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-15-22 05:09 PM - Post#333337
Speaking of Princeton, another nailbiter for them with Brown at home. Brown had two free throws with 20 seconds left to tie and could only get one.
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-15-22 05:24 PM - Post#333341
Gotta give Martz some credit today also. Nice team win. Maybe we can start the P game with the defense we seem to bring into the second half of some of these games? |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 05:29 PM - Post#333343
George Smith may have had the best game of all. Thought Martz played well on both ends other than the foul trouble. Martz, Mosh, and Monroe limiting Rai’s looks was key. Wonder if at some point here an opponent comes in with a less Dingle-centric gameplan because of the way the Ivy games have gone so far. And then Dingle goes off. Hopefully the team has gained some confidence that they can win without Dingle scoring a ton (and hopefully Jordan doesn’t feel quite as much of the weight of the world on his shoulders). |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
01-15-22 05:34 PM - Post#333345
I’m fine with teams facing us with a Dingle-centric defense if that opens things up for other guys. If you listened to George Smith’s post game interview, it seems much of our offense is based on getting the ball to Mosh in the post - both for his passing and that increasingly effective jump hook. In that case, opponents focusing on Dingle can only help. Even when we went 5 minutes with Mosh and Martz benched with 4 fouls, we expanded our lead without a major contribution from Dingle. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121
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01-15-22 06:13 PM - Post#333351
There is little reason to fashion a Dingle-centric defense for a player who averages about 20 minutes per game. Those are his IVY numbers. It was notable that Dingle satfor most of the last ten minutes of this game. He was not in foul trouble. Martz was but was still in. Also Spinosa, although healthy now is playing less than ten minutes a game, including this game while Penn's only other 'big' man Moscovitz was on the bench for most of the second half. This is truly a team of tweeners. They remain vulnerable to big men but are showing the ability to hold their own against smaller teams. I didn't see any Penn stars today, but Martz, Williams, Slajchert, Smith, and Monroe were all solid. Looks like Smith is the real find among the Frosh this year, while Clark is definitely improving. We should be pleased with a win like this on a day when Dingle was 4-11 and enough in the doghouse to sit during crunch time. It appears that Slajchert has moved ahead of him as the point guard and prime creating player. Sadly Jordan shows little progress over his performance as a frosh. In contrast the five I mentioned above including Clark, have all shown improvement since November. KenPom has Penn back ahead of Cornell, but still finishing 7-7. This is the best guess of the results of 3-1 team after a very easy early schedule. Note that Ken Pom also has Harvard at 7-7. This was an important win for a team with no margin for error. The Harvard start makes getting a win in one of the two games against them very important. This could be a year for tie breakers. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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01-15-22 06:21 PM - Post#333352
There is less than zero evidence that Slajchert has passed Dingle in the guard rotation. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 06:30 PM - Post#333354
You’re not understanding my point. Each of the last 3 opponents have come in with a similar gameplan premised on how to attack Dingle on both offense and defense. And in all three games, the opponent has struggled when Jordan isn’t in the game dictating what they do. I didn’t know if Dartmouth would do it, but they did. Eventually the scouting report will change, somebody won’t spend the whole week scouting how to stop Dingle, and when that happens, hopefully Jordan will be ready. I also think you are simply analyzing whether a team has the size to outplay Mosh based on whether or not they actually outplay him. Yet there is an argument that Columbia has had the least effective frontcourt on the season of the four teams we have played. But they were most effective against us, I think in part because our gameplan to exploit their limitations ended up allowing Harding to get a million offensive rebounds. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-15-22 06:41 PM - Post#333357
I like when we play small. We’ve been a little hesitant to do it, but Martz, Monroe, and Williams playing together for a stretch works for me. Admittedly, I didn’t think we could get away without any of Mosh, Martz, or Spinoso out there, but Laczkowski did a quietly adequate job (and had one serious big rebound). |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
01-15-22 06:48 PM - Post#333358
Monroe is one of my favorite Quakers because of his versatility. He defends and rebounds in key situations like nobody else on our roster, and is starting to develop a mid-range shot. I wish he’d play more or even start. Jelani is right up there for me, too. The guy has put every ounce of effort into every moment he’s on the court as if he’s trying to squeeze a career out of a single season. We are far from being as Dingle dependent as some people say. Let’s hope opponents think we are. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-15-22 07:07 PM - Post#333361
I love watching Monroe. And not sure what he did in the interim, but his free throw shooting (not just the results) looked much better this game. That is a necessity for how he plays. And if this is the unathletic Jelani showing up on both ends of the floor, he would have terrorized the league if he had only, say one major knee injury. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
01-15-22 09:11 PM - Post#333370
Game Story: https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn/p enn-... Game Photos: https://www.inquirer.com/photo/photos-penns-78 -68-... |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
01-15-22 10:10 PM - Post#333373
Wow, the Jelani photos are just unbelievable. The guy’s an absolute monster! Jelani spends as much time on the floor as Lefko did, except he does it face first. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1900 |
01-16-22 03:29 AM - Post#333377
I liked Jelani‘s effort and leadership out there. That play where he saved an out of bounds ball off of Dartmouth really fired up the team. There was a play that stuck out to me in the second half. He made a great move and had a wide opening to the hoop. Instead of taking it hard, he paused and looked for a pass. No one moved to the hoop and He eventually made the basket. It was overall good play, but he let the defense back into it. I’m pretty sure his pre-injury self would have hammered a slam. That was a good second half. The team is pretty much what we expected. They are competitive, but not blowing teams away. They’ll lose a stinker to a bad team, but will compete against the good ones. I think they will make the Ivy tournament, but nothing is assured. Any team can win the tournament this year. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
01-16-22 09:58 AM - Post#333384
Wow, the Jelani photos are just unbelievable. The guy’s an absolute monster! Jelani spends as much time on the floor as Lefko did, except he does it face first. Agree. Mr. Hustle. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1149 |
01-16-22 10:32 AM - Post#333387
We're a shooting team. If our threes aren't dropping, we have a hard time winning. I didn't see the game. But looking at the write-ups, it appears that we went cold and/or Penn defended us extremely well for an eight-to-ten minute stretch in the second half. That appeared to be the difference here. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-16-22 10:38 AM - Post#333388
The best part of that play was that Dartmouth had run a guy around a screen and had an open cutter to the basket, and Jelani recognized where it was going and got his hand in the passing lane. Preventing the easy basket was a great play in and of itself. Out-hustling the passer (i think Adelekun) to the deflected ball and spiking it off him to get possession took it off the charts. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-16-22 11:21 AM - Post#333391
In the stretch where Penn took the lead and extended it to 10, I believe Dartmouth went nearly 4 minutes without a field goal attempt (they did get to the line a few times in that period). So not a question of cold shooting so much as not shooting. They did miss some free throws. But the turnovers during a stretch where Penn wasn’t missing did Dartmouth in, I think. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121
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01-17-22 10:47 AM - Post#333460
Who was playing in crunch time on Saturday? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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01-17-22 11:15 AM - Post#333464
Who was playing in crunch time on Saturday? Don’t mistake a coach riding a hot hand in a brief stretch of a single game for evidence that the rotation has changed. The particular lineup SD had on the floor at that point was cooking, and Slajchert had hit a couple of hoops in a row as part of it. Apart from some offense-defense swapping between Monroe and the foul-plagued Martz, for a good 4+ minutes he didn’t mess with the unit which was opening up a multi-possession lead in a half that had been touch-and-go up to that point. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3778 |
01-17-22 03:47 PM - Post#333501
I noticed that Andrew Lazckowski (sp?) played significant minutes at key points in the game. Perhaps we'll see more of him. He seems to be the kind of player the coach likes. That sophomore class that so many pronounced a bust before any of them had a chance to actually play might not turn out to be so bad after all. |
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