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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-01-22 01:22 PM - Post#337885
Seems to me there are 2 candidates, 3 if you want to be generous. Conference only stats: Kino Lilly, Brown: 32 min, 14.5 ppg, 41% FG, 44% 3pt, 82% FT, 1.8 Reb, 2.1 asst, .75 A/TO, 1.0 steal Clark Slajchert: Penn: 27 min, 12.5 ppg, 52% FG, 39% 3pt, 79% FT, 2.1 Reb, 1.5 assts, 1.0 A/TO, .3 steal G. Rubio de la Rosa, Columbia: 33 min, 39% FG, 38.6% 3pt, 70% FT, 4.0 reb, 3.1 assts, 1.25 A/TO, 1.2 steal |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32830 |
03-01-22 02:13 PM - Post#337889
That's a tough comparison. The shooting percentage difference is startling, given that Lilly shoots 3s at a higher percentage. I think Slajchert is the better player, but the fact that Lilly has more minutes might make the difference. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-01-22 02:17 PM - Post#337890
I think the only thing that might keep Lilly from getting ROY is that it might be a little odd for the sixth-place team to get ROY, DPOY (Gainey), and a first-team all-Ivy selection (Choh). If I'm being honest, Choh probably won't get first-team honors, which is a shame to me, given how well he's performed over the course of the whole year (and given his really strong career). I'm sure Ethan Wright will beat him out, but I have a lot of sympathy for a player who's really the only consistent offensive threat on his team having to carry the whole load night in and night out. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-01-22 02:46 PM - Post#337892
Forgot to include Rubio de la Rosa averaged 11.8 ppg during the A8 slate. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3667 |
03-01-22 03:59 PM - Post#337895
Kino Lilly may have the edge as a true freshman whereas Clark Slajchert is a "covid rookie." |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8254 
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03-01-22 05:49 PM - Post#337905
good point. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
03-01-22 06:29 PM - Post#337907
As much as I like Slajchert (and I really like him), I have to go with Lilly here, reluctantly. That said, if Clark has 2-3 big games in the next two weeks, he might tip the scales the other way. I also suspect Clark might have more upside than Lilly, but that remains to be seen, and might be my bias talking. Let's see how things look in a few years. To be clear, there's no denying that Lilly is a very good and exciting player, and I look forward to watching him over the next few seasons. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3995 |
03-01-22 08:11 PM - Post#337912
As much as I do! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1900 |
03-02-22 05:04 AM - Post#337928
I like that Slajchert is recently playing like the PG we haven't had in a long time at Penn. Someone who can dribble through pressure, hit threes, and make free throws. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-02-22 08:29 AM - Post#337930
There is another. Chris Manon. I think he very well might win ROY. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-02-22 09:39 AM - Post#337931
On the soph vs. first year point, I wonder if they might consider doing separate awards for those classes. Lilly would win in any other year. Tough to take it away from him based on circumstance. But also don’t want to skip acknowledging someone in the soph class (Matt Knowling probably should get some consideration there too). |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-02-22 02:06 PM - Post#337946
Seems to me there are 2 candidates, 3 if you want to be generous. Conference only stats: Kino Lilly, Brown: 32 min, 14.5 ppg, 41% FG, 44% 3pt, 82% FT, 1.8 Reb, 2.1 asst, .75 A/TO, 1.0 steal Clark Slajchert: Penn: 27 min, 12.5 ppg, 52% FG, 39% 3pt, 79% FT, 2.1 Reb, 1.5 assts, 1.0 A/TO, .3 steal G. Rubio de la Rosa, Columbia: 33 min, 39% FG, 38.6% 3pt, 70% FT, 4.0 reb, 3.1 assts, 1.25 A/TO, 1.2 steal Not sure how the league will treat freshmen players (eligibility) that are sophomores (academically) for this award. Manon: 18.8 min, 11.8 ppg, 52% fg, 38% 3pt, 61% FT, 3.7 reb, 1.8 assts, .66 A/TO |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
03-02-22 06:16 PM - Post#337955
I’ll add Matt Allocco who will start next year as a sophomore and be an impact player before he graduates. |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
03-02-22 07:03 PM - Post#337958
I'd probably throw Yale's Matt Knowling into the ROY conversation over Allocco - Allocco had some really nice moments, but he did so in a pretty low usage role. Knowling became one of Yale's key pieces in conference play and averaged 11 and 6, and I thought his play was a huge part of their turnaround from an inconsistent non-conference |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-02-22 09:59 PM - Post#337962
One point in favor of Knowling (especially vs. Allocco): Yale doesn't have a ton of offensive threats drawing defensive gravity away from him. It's a lot easier to produce when you're the fifth-most dangerous player on the floor at every time vs. when you're the third. Making things even harder, Yale frequently has multiple non-shooters on the floor, making it even harder for Knowling to have time to post up. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
03-03-22 09:23 AM - Post#337967
When you look at the two classes, it is a bit of a concern for the IL regarding the talent level based on who are the candidates. It may turn out that several of the identified players will develop into "star" player, i.e. Swain, Aiken, Brodeur, etc, but it is not a slam dunk based on their overall performances in year 1. The league does need to recruit at a higher level post-COVID. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-03-22 11:14 AM - Post#337976
I don't think Alloco or Knowling are serious considerations for ROY. Both have had great rookie campaigns but I think Lilly and Slajchert are the front runners. |
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Tiger84 Senior Posts 380 |
03-03-22 01:54 PM - Post#337987
I think Allocco is currently a soph (unlike Hooks, he did not take a gap year) |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-03-22 02:02 PM - Post#337988
All of these candidates are listed as Sophomores except Lilly but for most it's their first year playing. I don't know how the league is going to handle that for these awards. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32830 |
03-03-22 02:16 PM - Post#337990
Rookie does not imply freshman---but rather, first year player. I cannot imagine that the players who entered school last year are not eligible. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-03-22 07:33 PM - Post#338003
I still think Manon. Cornell will get representation on all-Ivy, regardless of nobody playing more than 20 minutes a game or so. Manon is not only a candidate for ROY, but also for 2nd team or HM all-Ivy. Knowling would be 4th on my list. After that, everyone is distant. Allocco is perfectly fine, but if him, why not George Smith? Or Bez Mbeng? There are a few guys contributing to the top teams at a similar (or higher) level than Allocco. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3995 |
03-03-22 08:09 PM - Post#338008
I have to agree with 38’s view. I still think that Lily has earned it. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1900 |
03-03-22 11:17 PM - Post#338022
Every player in the league sort of feels like a rookie this year. Even the older ones. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21204 |
03-03-22 11:26 PM - Post#338023
I mean, Williams was/is a senior. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-04-22 12:19 AM - Post#338024
What about Mosh? Does he qualify? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32830 |
03-04-22 07:06 AM - Post#338026
Mosh played juco, Williams was on the team that played games for 3 years, although if it were pro sports, he would be eligible. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-22 06:22 PM - Post#339191
Jones is the COY. He managed to arrange for Swain, Gabiddon and Alausa to take 2020-21 off. Imagine Yale with out them! He did let Atkinson slip away. |
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