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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-13-22 07:07 PM - Post#339064
Bulldogs get a 14 seed but have to play a very very good Purdue team in Milwaukee. I don't like this match-up for Yale; even though Purdue plays (relatively) mediocre defense, they have two massive centers, and that's not good for an undersized Yale squad. Still, hope springs eternal and anything can happen in March. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-14-22 02:05 AM - Post#339114
Yale’s physical defense is unlikely to faze a team from the rugged Big Ten. But if the Eli move the ball and Swain goes off, they could stay in it. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-14-22 08:17 AM - Post#339119
What you said at the end. Yale has one guy who can consistently create his own shot, but (at least this year) he's far better at shooting from mid range than 3's. Swain must play hero ball and draw a lot of fouls doing it. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-14-22 10:17 AM - Post#339133
Swain has to run around off the ball to get open looks and Gabbidon has to appear as his unguardable version as well. That keeps the game from getting away from Yale but I fear those who take Purdue and give the points will be rewarded. tough matchup |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-14-22 10:29 AM - Post#339135
Agreed, but Swain can do it for Yale if it can keep it close. We've seen teams like Purdue come in overconfident when getting an Ivy. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
03-14-22 03:46 PM - Post#339173
Purdue has seen multiple players in Big 10 play more prolific than Swain, all the while scoring at a high rate against much better defenses. And Yale has no plan B for creating shots. It's gonna be a problem. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-14-22 03:51 PM - Post#339175
No argument. Swain has to be a hero notwithstanding the likelihood that Purdue can shut him down. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-14-22 05:45 PM - Post#339190
Where I think sometimes a Purdue runs into a problem with a guy like Swain (or Dingle) is that they just think they have the athletes to defend an Ivy scorer and just put their best perimeter defender on an island with them. And putting anyone on an island with Swain is a bad idea. Makai Mason went off for Yale in the tournament a while back in part because of that approach against him. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-14-22 09:10 PM - Post#339205
i am surprised Purdue is rated so inefficient on defensive end but that could reflect tough conference bc when I watched they were unstoppable on o at least But I think this is an impossible matchup if purdue shoots its percentages. Ivey is all world and Goliath has great touch and is a mountain. pressure is on perimeter shooting and to some extent the young bigs I would think as they will need fouls and activity in the paint to battle on the boards. Seton hall matchup gives me nightmares. The lineup has evolved a bit but not towards size really. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-14-22 09:11 PM - Post#339206
You're dancing....it's House Money! |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-14-22 09:24 PM - Post#339208
Agreed! |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-14-22 09:28 PM - Post#339209
The team has evolved a lot mentally since the beginning of the season more than anything. I wouldn't be worried based on what happened against Seton Hall - the team now bears very little resemblance to the team then. Media, players, and coaches have all remarked on how different the team looked and felt in conference vs. in the non-con, and not all of that can be attributed to a down Ivy. It's also worth noting that the Seton Hall game was a failure of offense more than anything else; Bart Torvik's website says that Yale was roughly average on defense against SHU, but their offense was putrid, and that's what sunk them. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-14-22 09:29 PM - Post#339210
the offensive efficiency delta is stark. I think u risk humiliation unless u do something different. I don’t know if that’s a press or what but I don’t think u play them straight up. Of course this could facilitate a bigger debacle than slowing it down. pick your poison. they do turn it over a bit but so do we. Ivey can play fast. And they can all shoot well. i defer |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-14-22 09:38 PM - Post#339212
auburn was more encouraging as we fought hard. But worth noting that Kessler got hurt and didn’t play much. Goliath isn’t the shot blocker Kessler is and he and Williams dont stretch the floor like Kessler/smith can. anyway it is a different lineup. Knowling emerged but they can body him up better than u saw in league. You would like to see the bigs use the dribble on the ball screen action to draw fouls and pull the big guys out. mbeng matches up athletically so u try him or gabiddon or likely both on Ivey. Foul mgmt is key Also Jarvis needs to stay out of foul trouble and play the game of his life. He is capable of playing at this level but hasn’t fully clicked yet. This would be a good time to man up. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-14-22 10:46 PM - Post#339220
Curious to see Knowling in this matchup. That’s another one where how much Purdue watches tape may matter. That said, the Ivies scout each other well, and he still gets that shot off — it’s one of those where it probably looks different coming at you when he’s got position, no matter how well prepared you are for what’s coming. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-15-22 08:08 PM - Post#339300
Knowling is intriguing, in that he does some excellent things on both ends that are very impressive, but not that frequently. Might be a good time for a coming-out party. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-17-22 09:39 AM - Post#339425
As a little mood-lightener, it's the 6-year anniversary of Yale's win over Baylor (and the subsequent hilarious answer that Taurean Prince gave to a really stupid question asked of him postgame): https://twitter.com/IvyLeague/status/1504 450324257... Possibly the funniest part of the whole thing is that, by rate, Yale actually didn't outrebound Baylor: Baylor got 33% of all available ORBs and 69% of all DRBs compared to 31% and 67% respectively for Yale. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-17-22 09:49 AM - Post#339426
2:00 pm tomorrow on what appears to be a glorious spring day---find a place with outdoor TVs for this one. Keep it close and who knows? |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
03-17-22 09:02 PM - Post#339474
Purdue pre-game press conference Yale pre-game press conference |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-18-22 01:52 AM - Post#339490
Judging from the press conferences, Purdue won’t be overlooking Yale. They’ve been watching the video of their upset loss to North Texas since last summer. Also Coach Jones is a riot. This sequence is priceless: “Q. You played a pretty -- very competitive schedule this year, and you had some kind of one-sided losses to some really good teams early in the season. COACH JAMES JONES: Nice. Well put. Q. Yeah. So I guess could you maybe describe, maybe, just some of the areas that you feel like you've really gotten better at. And I imagine some of that was maybe some of the rustiness, maybe not. COACH JAMES JONES: No, it had nothing to do with rust. It had everything to do with the fact that we had no post players. I started Jalen Gabbidon out at the 4, and he's a 3 man from the year before. And I started Isaiah Kelly at the 5, and he was a 3 man. We had no scoring at the basket at all. E.J. Jarvis was hurt. Jameel Alausa was out. E.J.'s back now. Jameel is still injured. He can't play. But Matt Knowling was a second-year player that obviously didn't have his freshman year because of COVID. We put him in the starting lineup along with Bez Mbeng. So that team that we were at the beginning of the year with those lopsided losses we had, we're a little bit of a different team than we were then in terms of how we play and who we play.” |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 09:20 AM - Post#339509
all true but knowling and bez don’t make this a good matchup. We are probably a Paul Atkinson and Jordan bruner away from that! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-18-22 09:33 AM - Post#339510
Good luck anyway--no one thought St Peter's had a chance |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21212 |
03-18-22 09:43 AM - Post#339511
There have been quite a few tight games so far. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 10:54 AM - Post#339515
Graci Last night I watched highlights of edey and Williams and some of the seton hall-yale replay Yikes. I am not sure how to body this guy. He’s so athletic for his size he throws big 10 bodies around Williams is a chance of pace but equally scary Hope the kids hit some shots! |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-18-22 11:12 AM - Post#339516
Hope springs eternal! Saint Peter's is a worse team than Yale who beat a better team than Purdue - it's always possible. I agree with James, though; gotta hit shots. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 11:20 AM - Post#339517
it’s the mix with Ivey that is brutal. that big 3 play well off each other though usually 2 in the game at once the hope is that the matchups at other 3 spots go better o to d. I was also alarmed at how little swain looks in the shu game. got covered up at time Anytime go ‘dogs! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-18-22 11:26 AM - Post#339518
..and, like Kentucky, hope Purdue misses a lot of 3s |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1149 |
03-18-22 12:48 PM - Post#339521
Good luck anyway--no one thought St Peter's had a chance Yes, I'm sure there were plenty of MAAC fans thinking "Oh no! We're not sending our regular season champion to the tournament! We're going to get slaughtered with our second place team!" 
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penn nation Professor Posts 21212 |
03-18-22 12:57 PM - Post#339522
On a related note, Jacksonville State hanging with Auburn in the early going. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-18-22 02:10 PM - Post#339523
Ivey is hurting Yale more than the big fella so far. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-18-22 02:28 PM - Post#339524
Hanging in there--withstood the big run. Like where things are right now. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21212 |
03-18-22 02:30 PM - Post#339525
Right now only Kelly with 2 fouls. Bigs need to stay out of foul trouble to have a shot later in the game. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21212 |
03-18-22 03:00 PM - Post#339528
Disappointing at the half. Been a tough year for Ivy schools in general against better competition. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-18-22 03:24 PM - Post#339530
Purdue just too big, strong and quick. Hate to see Yale go down 20 on some bad turnovers and poor shot selections. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-18-22 03:26 PM - Post#339531
Yes, early optimism trampled. Back to the Ivy drawing board. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-18-22 03:34 PM - Post#339532
Yale getting some decent looks but nothing going in. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 03:34 PM - Post#339533
Bad matchup. Flaws on strengths and out too much pressure on shotmaking. Not yales strength and not getting much separation with lane off limits |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 04:08 PM - Post#339535
about what I expected Would’ve thought we’d shoot better but there was 0 separation in 2md half and we cldnt throw it in ocean after cutting to 9 Then they took foot off gas and we looked gassed Decent defense though as expected |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-18-22 05:11 PM - Post#339541
Yeah, whaddaya gonna do? Ivey showed why he's a projected top-5 pick, and the big guys got whatever they wanted, as expected of two ~7 footers who weigh three bills. Shame this was the draw - Yale would've had a much better chance against Providence or Wisconsin, but them's the breaks. The future looks bright, though - good team defense, and Jarvis and Knowling showed some good flashes. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 07:11 PM - Post#339545
Agree. We had flaws. They were exposed. We needed a lot to go our way. It didn’t. My god did they get some free throws. And didn’t miss much Defense was good when not called for a foul. Jarvis will be good if healthy |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
03-18-22 07:32 PM - Post#339548
Purdue post-game press conference Yale post-game press conference |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-18-22 07:39 PM - Post#339549
Gabiddon summed it up. he had a tough one. Air mailed some 3s and had to guard a lightning quick guy who was hitting early from 30 great career tho |
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Naismith Sophomore Posts 149 |
03-18-22 08:21 PM - Post#339554
although in a sane world the regular season champion should have been there, Princeton would not have done any better; nightmare Ivy matchup. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-18-22 09:42 PM - Post#339557
FWIW, Princeton's NET rating was quite a bit higher than Yale's and was a consensus #13 seed among all the so-called bracketologists. As such, they probably would not have been slotted against Purdue. Water under the bridge. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-18-22 09:54 PM - Post#339559
I'm not entirely convinced of that - there's a rumor going around that the committee just splits the difference between the two teams in the ILT final and labels the spot "Ivy Champion," which may be suggested by Yale getting a slightly generous 14 seed this time much as it was by Yale getting an egregious 14 seed in 2019. Which, frankly, is shockingly lazy, given that the committee is compensated well enough that you'd think they could be bothered to make contingency brackets, but ah well. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2692 |
03-19-22 12:23 AM - Post#339565
That’s generous. I thought they gave us the lower seed. Why spend the final hours moving everything around to accommodate a weaker conference’s one bid? |
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mountainred Masters Student Posts 514 |
03-19-22 11:52 AM - Post#339577
I'm not entirely convinced of that - there's a rumor going around that the committee just splits the difference between the two teams in the ILT final and labels the spot "Ivy Champion," which may be suggested by Yale getting a slightly generous 14 seed this time much as it was by Yale getting an egregious 14 seed in 2019. Which, frankly, is shockingly lazy, given that the committee is compensated well enough that you'd think they could be bothered to make contingency brackets, but ah well. I'm sure they do have contingency brackets for power conference championship games -- though Tennessee fans probably disagree -- but there is no real return on doing so for a 13 - 15 seed. Just create an Ivy slot and focus on the teams CBS talks about because outside of this board, no one will really care. Now, an Ivy final between a "has to be a 16" and a 13 or so could put that theory to the test. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-19-22 12:44 PM - Post#339578
The point of my original post on this was that in the era before the Ivies started holding the thingy after the regular season, Princeton would likely have been a 13 seed and so would probably not have faced Purdue. I was not suggesting that the committee gives a damn about the outcome of the “championship” game. I agree that having that game a few hours before the brackets are released very well could mean that the committee hedges its bets in most years (eg. If Princeton was a #13 and Yale a #15, just slot the Ivy team in at the 14.) |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 12:54 PM - Post#339580
princeton might have been at 13. If not they would have been dismantled by a Purdue similarly. Maybe they hit a few shots yale didn’t in 9 min drought. But they also likely couldn’t have held Purdue to the non free throw percentages when a power 5 with size shoots 33 at the line and hits 80% u are f shopped unless u go off on 3 When said team can cover up your shooters bc there is no lane for 20 mins a game then ur percentages Shld drop with the fullness of 40 mins it’s just pressure. When u have 6’7 midrange and long range shooters then u can overcome. The ivies didn’t have that this year when I watched. Most power 5s do |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-19-22 02:08 PM - Post#339581
We're saying two different things. I suggested that Princeton likely would have been a #13 seed if there was no Ivy tournament. You counter that if Princeton had to play Purdue, they would have done no better than Yale. Both could be true. I believe that one thing most of the mid majors who pull off an upset in the big boy tournament seem to have in common is a critical mass of seniors who have played together for a number of years. All of the Ivies were at a disadvantage on this front this year because of the lost COVID year. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
03-19-22 02:15 PM - Post#339582
Thanks, ILT. As for MR James’ remark, now, we’ll never know, will we? BTW, 3 point teams play better with a little rest. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 02:19 PM - Post#339583
That’s fair. Ideally the champion wins the most games. I guess with yale beating princeton in the ilt they were dead even. Princeton did have a better offense. So matchups matter. But Purdue was just an awful matchup for an Ivy this year and most. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
03-19-22 02:42 PM - Post#339584
The point isn’t, “Who will fare better in the NCAA?” (although, sorry Eli fans, IMHO the Tigers couldn’t have fared much worse). It’s “Who deserves to go?”, a 2 game winner in a rushed thingy (I love that name!), or a full season champ of 3 months of work. Give the winner of the GD Thingy the NIT where, BTW, it and the League have a much better chance of success. The real Champ (you know, the one who gets the banner) has earned the trip to the Dance, regardless of one’s perceived notion of whose chance of success is better. Final point: if the Champ probably will get a higher seed than the winner of the Thingy, whose chance of success is higher then? Until the League is assured two spots, even one as a play in, screw the Thingy. |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 02:56 PM - Post#339585
Princeton would have been dismantled by Purdue. They play terrible defense and would have no lane to play in for their one strength. The drive and kick. The fact that yale beat princeton 2/3 this year is incredible. We’ll take it. We had a flawed team and still won. w Atkinson even Wyatt yess or alausa I suppose 2/3 would’ve been disappointing but we’ll take it As documented I didn’t expect to beat the spread against Purdue. But to be win the league with a team like we had is like a cherry on a good dessert |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 02:59 PM - Post#339586
We also got a great press in the nyt this week. I guess the whole league did. But specifically yale gets called out for donating its best players to power 5 teams-mason Atkinson and bruner. we’ll take it |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-19-22 03:58 PM - Post#339590
On the other hand, after the Thingy, you now have Yale with a better resume over three months of work (same record, but beat Princeton 2 out of 3 head to head). So cutting it off after 14 games actually seems more arbitrary in a sense. After 16 games, Yale was better. So far, that has been the case every year (when the 2 seed has won, they’ve ended with the best record in the league after 16 games). Eventually we’ll have a year where that isn’t the case. But so far, the Thingy has added more information regarding who is deserving, not less. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3671 |
03-19-22 06:40 PM - Post#339619
No one knows what "would have" happened if Princeton played Purdue or a #4 seed. Who would have predicted St. Peter's over Kentucky? All we know is: 1) Yale played Purdue and got destroyed. 2) Princeton is ranked 40 places ahead of Yale in NET rankings. 3) Yale went to the NCAAs because they (barely) won the second game of a back-to-back. 4) Every Ivy team lost big time players due to covid transfers. Yale won the bid fair and square, but it's silly to act like Princeton couldn't have done better - they almost certainly would have, though likely not enough to win. But 2 back-to-back day games is how the Ivy decides its NCAA rep and Princeton didn't TCB. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3671 |
03-19-22 06:47 PM - Post#339621
For the record, I still support the Ivy Tourney wholeheartedly - it's the idiotic scheduling and rotating hosts that needs to go. 2 morning games in 2 days at a site that might be the 4th seed's homecourt. What a joke. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 434 |
03-19-22 06:57 PM - Post#339622
I wish Princeton had won, and think back-to-back games are tough on a three point shooting team with little depth. That being said, the traditional regular season was virtually all back-to-backs, so I am not sure the good old days would have been kind to us. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
03-19-22 10:50 PM - Post#339629
M.R.: Yale didn’t win the League. Get your facts right. Princeton did. All you won was the Thingy Cup. And, how can you be so damn sure Princeton wouldn’t have played better than your dogs? |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 10:57 PM - Post#339630
Yale beat princeton 2/3. Princeton sucks Congrats u beat yale for the first time in like 5 years. And your a #%$@ tool on the yale board you pussy |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-19-22 11:02 PM - Post#339631
U can tell these “princeton pussies on this board we’re managers for their high school team” I am standing next to a buddy at the atlanta athletic club bar who was princeton manager class of 97 His words. Oh and “ we #%$@ suck we can’t play defense. We can’t beat yale when it matters anymore. And Purdue beats us by 50.” John class of ‘97 #%$@ you tools . |
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james Masters Student Posts 796 |
03-20-22 12:17 AM - Post#339633
From john princeton class of 97 Westminster class of 93 “You know how bad we #%$@ suck. Yale loses its best player and one of the best big men in the ivies since Steve Goodrich class of 98 ( who was great I guarded him in high school and college you keyboard pussy) and we still can’t beat them when it matters” We #%$@ suck. we let vcu look like an offensive jugernaut” John princeton manager ‘97 From me.. I love when azar swain and a bunch of vagabonds runs this league. It’s awesome. And a bunch of princeton pussies come on the yale board. John is stud. You guys suck and so does your team. You can’t beat a flawed yale team |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
03-20-22 08:53 AM - Post#339635
Excuse me MR James. I mistakenly thought that this fool was you. Please forgive me and him for his immature impersonation. It seems that yale has lowered its admission requirements. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-20-22 09:11 AM - Post#339637
Hey, you got your own in Toothless, who blasts people for posting on the Princeton board who aren't from Princeton, but posts everywhere similarly to what you just read. Hey people--these are open forums (or should I say fora). As long as you aren't trolling or obscene, everyone is welcome. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2692 |
03-20-22 10:27 AM - Post#339640
Expect sniping when you venture into hostile territory. I’m not a moderator, but let’s avoid ad hominem attacks and “forum rage” please. It’s been a rough 24 months for everyone here. Can’t wait until we start talking about next year (He says hesitantly). Of course, let’s please all get behind the Princeton and Columbia women and the Harvard hockey team (ECAC Champs)! Kudos to Yale’s womens hockey squad for their Frozen Four accomplishment. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32835 |
03-20-22 10:55 AM - Post#339642
I think we can all agree on that agenda. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
03-20-22 01:29 PM - Post#339656
I agree with the harvard guy and the penn guy on this. We’ve all been taking shots at each other on here for years—some more clever than others. I don’t remember anyone losing their cool like james has recently. Relax buddy. It’s going to be ok. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-20-22 04:16 PM - Post#339661
Purdue is tough to defend; teams beat them by exploiting their iffy defense. Swain got off to a great start, just needed a little more help (and fewer team turnovers at inopportune times) to keep the game close. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-20-22 07:31 PM - Post#339673
Yeah, the issues would have been much the same for Princeton, except Princeton would've had an even tougher time guarding Ivey. Yale had two plus perimeter defenders to run at him in Gabbidon and Mbeng (though it didn't even matter at times). Princeton would also have had an issue in that Evbuomwan would've likely been almost a non-factor, because Edey is so big that getting ducked under wouldn't have been enough to beat him. Plus Purdue wasn't likely to take a first round game lightly after losing theirs to North Texas just last year. Honestly, that's the really tough part about this matchup; generally speaking, a good P5 team playing well will beat a good Ivy playing well, and that's going to be tough to overcome when the P5 school is still smarting from last year's ignominious defeat. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-21-22 05:41 AM - Post#339684
I think Tosan might have run Edey out of the game by starting at the top of the key and driving. But the Purdue backup center is very agile and would have been a problem. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4914 |
03-21-22 05:43 AM - Post#339685
Texas could have used Swain against Purdue. They only had a couple of guys who scored efficiently in volume. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-26-22 08:40 AM - Post#339911
And who knocks off Purdue and gets down to the elite eight? A 15 seed that won its conference tournament in a one bid conference — after failing to win the regular season. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21212 |
03-26-22 11:27 PM - Post#339916
And who knocks off Purdue and gets down to the elite eight? A 15 seed that won its conference tournament in a one bid conference — after failing to win the regular season. Yes, when the #1 seed in the conference tourney got upset by the #9 seed in the first round, opened the door for #2 seed to win it all. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
03-27-22 10:10 AM - Post#339917
How about those Jersey boys! Yale must be relieved that they didn’t have to play them! |
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