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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4004 |
03-17-24 03:48 PM - Post#365569
Great game, no excuses. Up 4 with less than a minute left. We will miss Kemo and Ndur, I thought the latter played the best game of his career v. Yale. Still, I like Lewis and Dabo filling in the front court next year. Hard not to optimistic about next year. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
03-17-24 03:51 PM - Post#365570
Great game, no excuses. Up 4 with less than a minute left. Up 6 with 27 seconds left. Feel for Brown and its fans. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1422 |
03-17-24 04:12 PM - Post#365574
Yeah, it sucked. But I do think the better team won and I also think Yale deserved to win. They made almost every play down the stretch and capitalized on every Brown mistake. Which is what experienced winning teams do. But this Brown team playing this way. I wasn’t sure if anyone was going to stop the magic. Brown had a really bad final minute. But a truly incredible final month.
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Columbia 37P6 Postdoc Posts 2180 |
03-17-24 05:14 PM - Post#365582
It's hard to say that "the better team won," in any one point game. I thought that both Brown and Yale were both outstanding. Great game! |
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Dial Lodge Sophomore Posts 170 |
03-17-24 10:16 PM - Post#365642
A commendable end of season for you Brunos. Well-done, and almost unstoppable in the last 8 or so games if the season. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
03-18-24 10:11 AM - Post#365677
I was pulling for Brown nearly as hard as for the Tigers the night before. Great effort. Tough loss. COY should be voted after the ILT. Brown will be very good next year. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-18-24 12:53 PM - Post#365693
Great finish to the season. Two years in a row Martin has made some lineup adjustments and the team has gotten better as the year wore on. Next year should be easier with the nucleus returning. Tough way to end for Kimo and Ndur. When Kimo fouled out, it looked like he would be playing another game. Sad to have it end that way. And too bad for Ndur to miss the free throws at the end. He played a great game — Brown wouldn’t have been in position to win the game if not for the way he played. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1422 |
03-19-24 07:15 AM - Post#365823
Ndur filled the gap created by a rare poor Nana performance. He was bottled up all game and Ndur made the plays in what may have been his best game as a Bear.
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Ever True Junior Posts 255 |
03-22-24 01:18 PM - Post#366071
If the loss wasn't hard enough, today Nana enters the portal. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-22-24 03:07 PM - Post#366088
i just hate this. chance to be on contender (favorite) and play ILT on home floor where no one has lost (?) who has qualified doesnt matter. and i thought he was less valuable given tweener post size than say a lilly etc sad days for the league. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
03-22-24 03:31 PM - Post#366091
Agreed, for the reasons you mentioned below. The Ivy League is going to have to figure out what it is going to do as a league about this. A key contributor to what seemed like a very serious contender for the league title next year, for a team that has a rare chance to go to the NCAA tourney and with only one year left to play at Brown, to boot.
i just hate this. chance to be on contender (favorite) and play ILT on home floor where no one has lost (?) who has qualified doesnt matter. and i thought he was less valuable given tweener post size than say a lilly etc sad days for the league. |
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Ever True Junior Posts 255 |
03-22-24 04:01 PM - Post#366094
I'm honestly shocked. Guy was a junior captain, 2nd Team All-Ivy, a leader who played with a ton of heart, and clearly loved by fans. What's more, TJ Sorrentine tweeted a picture of him back in the gym working out the day after the loss to Yale. Feel like something pretty drastic has to have happened for him to decide that he wants to be somewhere else. Maybe it was just a question of $$$. Honest question: what can the league do? Short of offering scholarships, which will happen when hell freezes over or the courts order it, whichever happens first, what tools does the league have at its disposal? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
03-22-24 04:17 PM - Post#366096
I think the IL should seriously reconsider its policy about graduate students participating on athletic teams. It won't completely stem the tide, but it might make a difference in some cases.
I'm honestly shocked. Guy was a junior captain, 2nd Team All-Ivy, a leader who played with a ton of heart, and clearly loved by fans. What's more, TJ Sorrentine tweeted a picture of him back in the gym working out the day after the loss to Yale. Feel like something pretty drastic has to have happened for him to decide that he wants to be somewhere else. Maybe it was just a question of $$$. Honest question: what can the league do? Short of offering scholarships, which will happen when hell freezes over or the courts order it, whichever happens first, what tools does the league have at its disposal? |
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ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 338 |
03-22-24 05:38 PM - Post#366118
Maybe he determined that a Brown degree is not that valuable. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2142 |
03-22-24 08:10 PM - Post#366169
If the loss wasn't hard enough, today Nana enters the portal. That sucks. I thought that Nana, Lilly and Anya returning next year would have given you guys a really good chance to contend. Anyway, watching Brown take down Princeton in the ILT took a small portion of the sting out of a rough season for this Penn alum. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
03-22-24 09:39 PM - Post#366179
Damn. Owusu-Anane is a huge loss. He's a confirmed Tiger slayer and would have hurt us again next year. As bad as we were in the ILT, there's no doubt that Nana's monster game made the difference. He even added 3pt shooting to his arsenal. If Lilly and Anya stay, Brown can still be a Top 4 team and then, of course, anything can happen in the ILT. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-23-24 01:09 AM - Post#366189
unfortunately i predicted the wave on this board long ago and am still surprised. guess i am the lemming given i underestimated it. you dont want to malign a kid but he played terrible against yale and is the only reason brown isnt dancing. he plays ok and they are and maybe they shouldve even though he was terrible offensively in the championship. just calling a spade a spade i dont think hes 6'8 and i dont know where he showcases himself at power 5 level any better than at brown which was a favorite in my book with him not a contender. i have as much insight as anyone on this board on nil values and his isnt that great. but whatever my old posts rest and god forbid wolf etc plays better sundst |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-23-24 01:14 AM - Post#366190
i guess the old adage ... it only takes one suitor to pay a big price! i like him as a player but viewed him in the ivy context/brown system not at a power 5 where hes kind of a tweener. but tampering is rampant and who is to say he didnt ball out vs princeton and then get his "strong a--ss offer" and lay an egg vs yale who knows? but his twitter feed makes you nauseous. but whatever they are but 22. good luck to whoever leaves the league. is what it is |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-23-24 04:09 PM - Post#366252
I’m not smart enough to find his Twitter feed (maybe just as well). Where is it (or what does it say?)? |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 11:28 AM - Post#366397
i was just referencing that he gave a "i still believe in this team...we will turn it around" type tweet in january. and was proved correct then followed it up after yale II or princeton III i cant remember when he was proved correct |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1422 |
03-27-24 01:11 AM - Post#366580
So Nana plays great vs. Princeton, putting them a win away. Then Nana gets a secret offer and decides - you know what. lemme phone this one in. That’s your story? The other opportunities some of these players have is I think too much for some to overcome. And some of the league’s policies force some of these players to make some very tough decisions.
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-27-24 07:56 PM - Post#366623
thats not the full story. but know with one kid the tampering started a while back. but i think when the team starts winning and your play gets more recognized the murmur gets louder from the agents and the like. there are like AAU some shady cats working the system and you better believe he got positive feedback from how he played. that can get to your head the same way it does to a team when they win a tournament game unexpectedly. thats all i am saying. he looked awful in the title game but i dont think he did it on purpose |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-27-24 08:18 PM - Post#366624
context-i was a volunteer assistant for the top team in ga this year and one of best in country. i have two sons different ages both have nil offers. one is committed and about to sign w a collective. one is a sophomore. this is why i freaked out months ago. but i dont know nana and am merely speculating based on what i am learning abt the system firsthand as well as my observation of human performance psychology |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-27-24 08:29 PM - Post#366625
lastly the tension is enormous. it is for me. i wanted my oldest son to play in the ivy league paying full freight bc he has the aptitude. he likely wont be an nba prospect but he's skilled and tall. instead he is doing the opposite of what i did and getting paid for it. i made my own decision on college and he made his. my dad offered me the value of my scholarships if i took one. instead i went to yale. my son took the money. but from a collective |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
03-28-24 04:22 PM - Post#366648
Not all of these Ivy kids in the portal are set on leaving. I think the way the system works they are incentivized to enter the portal and test the waters to see if they get good money. I would bet some of those who entered will not end up leaving their schools. I have no clue what Nana's intentions are or the interest in him. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-28-24 04:36 PM - Post#366652
apparently the interest is broad according to the self proclaimed recruiting experts? i mean he's a grown man so while shorter he's better than my senior right now. bruce pearl did another presser which is worth a watch. he reiterated some excuses on the yale loss but that is what it is. he didnt describe the money changing hands or quantify it but he did say he was in the office on saturday and sunday examining the portal and his own kids. he said nil agents are calling everyone on his team. " but we would never do that. haha as i write above tampering is omnipresent and has been for weeks or months |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
03-28-24 05:13 PM - Post#366658
I don’t see any of the teams on Nanas list as big money NIL teams. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-28-24 06:23 PM - Post#366661
ej jarvis was on a 6 figure nil deal at florida until he dropped out and returned to yale to do a fellowship |
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Ever True Junior Posts 255 |
03-29-24 02:00 PM - Post#366678
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/re cruitin... Travis Branham of 24/7 Sports has Nana as no. 10 on the list of top 10 big men in the portal and suggests he will be a high-value addition to a high-major program. Would imagine that means he is in for a significant pay day as well. |
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Ever True Junior Posts 255 |
04-16-24 08:50 PM - Post#367493
Kalu Anya joins Nana in the portal. Wouldn't blame Kino if he took a look at the portal. Without Anya and Nana, this team doesn't have the guys to compete at the top of the league. From being 10 seconds away from a tourney berth to looking at rebuilding the roster. Just brutal. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-16-24 10:51 PM - Post#367497
Whoa, that's unexpected. With Owusu-Anane gone, I figured Anya would get his stats way up and then consider transferring for his senior year. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
04-17-24 11:51 AM - Post#367523
Yikes. I guess we’ll get to see if Dabo is ready next year. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
04-17-24 12:33 PM - Post#367529
The league ranking of the Ivies is going to take a hit with many teams suffering noticeable losses in players and/or coaches. So much for the "2 bid Ivy" talk by a few on this board (not on the Brown board, though). Those hopes are now gone forever. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-17-24 01:44 PM - Post#367536
So much for the "2 bid Ivy" talk by a few on this board (not on the Brown board, though). Those hopes are now gone forever. I don't know about that. The only real hope for a 2-bid Ivy was for a team to have 0-1 losses going into the ILT final and then losing a close one. And a weaker Ivy makes that even more possible. It's totally unfair but no one outside the Ivy thinks a 12-2 record against a strong Ivy field is better than 14-0 against a weak Ivy field. The SOS metrics will take a hit, but again, going undefeated instead of losing 2-3 games would make up a lot of that. This past Princeton team only lost 1 game in non-conf. It's conceivable the 2024-25 Tigers might do the same (or better) against a similar schedule, provided Lee withdraws from the draft as he intends to do. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
04-17-24 03:15 PM - Post#367542
Denial hits hard. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1152 |
04-18-24 09:40 AM - Post#367561
The only real hope for a 2-bid Ivy was for a team to have 0-1 losses going into the ILT final and then losing a close one. Like what happened to the women this season? |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-18-24 01:13 PM - Post#367575
I meant 0-1 losses overall, including non-conf. That's the only way I see the Ivy men getting 2 bids. |
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mountainred Masters Student Posts 514 |
04-18-24 06:36 PM - Post#367586
The scenario that gets a second bid is team-based, not league-based. You need a super team that is a lead pipe lock at the end of the regular season. Going back 1985 (when the field expanded to 64) I can see just 2 teams that could have hoped for an at-large bid if they had gagged in the ILT and both times were in the 90's when the league was still essentially Penn and Princeton and hockey schools. Princeton '98 -- 26-1, a 5 seed and ranked in the top 10. They would have survived an ILT loss. The league was #25 in KenPom that year. Princeton '91 -- 24-2, an 8 seed and ranked in the top 20; the Tigers were probably still in, but may have been placed in a play-in game (which I know didn't yet exist, but neither did the ILT). KenPom doesn't go back that far, but Yale was the only other league team with a winning record that year. Penn has earned 11 seeds and several other teams have earned 12's since 2010, but that's the cut line for at-large berths and I doubt any of those teams could have survived one more loss, especially one in March. Honestly, next year may bring the 2-bid scenario into play. Princeton returns basically everyone and the rest of the league is rebuilding to some degree, so they could run the Ivy table to build a gaudy record. Of course, they will need to survive the non-conference season with 2 losses max, hope their wins are better than this year's (beating Duquesne is likely not enough), and then lose in the ILT to test it out. It's as likely as hitting an inside draw on a straight flush, but 2-bid ivy has always been mostly fantasy. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1422 |
04-18-24 10:29 PM - Post#367595
I think the Penn 93-94 and 94-95 teams would have been on the bubble.
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-26-24 04:34 PM - Post#367801
Great news for Brown: Owusu-Anane is back! https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1 783880395...
@JonRothstein Nana Owusu-Anane tells me that he's withdrawing from the transfer portal and will return to Brown next season. Makes things tougher for Princeton, but hey, I'm glad to see Ivy teams retain their top talent. I wonder if Anya comes back too. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
04-26-24 04:57 PM - Post#367807
Wait--you mean you don't get beamed up for good in that portal thingy? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21265 |
04-26-24 05:05 PM - Post#367809
I think the Penn 93-94 and 94-95 teams would have been on the bubble. 93-94 team only 2 regular season losses, both on the road, one at McGonigle Hall to a powerful Temple team ranked 12th in the final AP poll. This in a year where Penn itself was ranked 24th in the last regular season AP poll of the season. Major problem would be Penn simply not playing any good teams that year, although they certainly won their share of away games against major conference squads. |
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mountainred Masters Student Posts 514 |
04-27-24 12:31 PM - Post#367835
I think the Penn 93-94 and 94-95 teams would have been on the bubble. 93-94 team only 2 regular season losses, both on the road, one at McGonigle Hall to a powerful Temple team ranked 12th in the final AP poll. This in a year where Penn itself was ranked 24th in the last regular season AP poll of the season. Major problem would be Penn simply not playing any good teams that year, although they certainly won their share of away games against major conference squads. Those teams were seeded 11 and 12 respectively, so they were already "on the bubble" in the eyes of the NCAA. You want to tell me they were underseeded; I think you have a good argument. But we have an good idea what the NCAA thought and I doubt they would have survived one last loss. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-28-24 08:03 PM - Post#367891
https://twitter.com/kaluanya_/status/1784 630069391... Kalu Anya to St. Louis, where he'll play alongside Robbie Avila (aka "Cream Abdul Jabbar"). What a front court for Josh Schertz - Anya with the defense, Avila with the offense. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1422 |
04-29-24 11:16 PM - Post#367902
199 in the KP Saint Louis? SMH. Hope he got a lot of money.
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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04-30-24 02:01 PM - Post#367907
Yikes. A mediocre team and a big drop in academic standing as well. I hope he got the money to make up the difference for sure... |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
04-30-24 03:36 PM - Post#367913
SLU should be very good next season. Josh Schertz is bringing his ISU stars Robbie Avila and Isaiah Swope with him. Combined with Anya and some other transfers, they should be a Top 60 team, maybe a fringe bubble team. |
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