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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
03-18-24 12:51 PM - Post#365692
Verbal Commits Penn G Tyler Perkins has entered the transfer portal. Seems like everything is going great here. Honestly bizarre that anyone is suggesting a coaching change. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 01:03 PM - Post#365694
I'm not surprised in the least. We're seeing Miller II, where the players are voting with their feet. I'm sure the AD sees what is happening. Might be a good idea for her to contact Perkins directly and see what it would take for him to change his mind. Of course, if there is serious money for him out there, nothing will change his mind. Let's see where Martz and Slajchet go and wait for the next shoe to drop. |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
03-18-24 01:12 PM - Post#365695
Martz graduated in December and has been very gainfully employed since then at wharton undergrad level (which more than any nil deal he is going to get) so i doubt we will see him in portal |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 01:21 PM - Post#365696
Getting that MBA for free is a pretty attractive option--NILs notwithstanding. |
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GoQuakersGo Sophomore Posts 120 |
03-18-24 01:21 PM - Post#365697
This sucks but at least Steve Donahue is a nice guy! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1904 |
03-18-24 01:23 PM - Post#365698
Yeah, that is pretty much a killer. I don't think any of us understands all of the dynamics with player and coach, but the result is clear that will set back everything. The tandem of Perkins and Brown was a key part of carrying us forward. This year was our first consecutive decent recruiting class in a very long time - finally a chance to build on something. Perkins was undoubtedly a key, though. I don't know if Perkins is disenchanted with Donahue or is drawn by the luster of other opportunities, but the team's record probably doesn't help. I suppose he may be just testing waters, but there will likely be a lot of interest from other teams.  |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
03-18-24 01:24 PM - Post#365699
If you don’t think that there are also other things happening at Penn and in Philly in general that help contribute to this (along with the prospect of receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the major conference programs) you are just naive. Penn could hire Mike Krzyzewski out of retirement and this would still be happening. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 01:31 PM - Post#365700
Oh stop with the BS nonsense MAGA narrative that people are shooting up the streets here. It's just false and frankly, stupid. Philadelphia, and Penn in particular are FAR safer than they were when we were students. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 01:36 PM - Post#365701
Clearly the system at Penn is broken. Frankly I thought we had already reached that point when Martz decided not to come back after Dingle's exit. |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575 
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03-18-24 01:49 PM - Post#365704
Are any non-senior players from other Ivies in the portal? Just curious. My two cents: Perkins didn't like getting jerked around by SD's quixotic lineup and playing time decisions. He started out playing a lot, then lost time.
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CM Masters Student Posts 437 |
03-18-24 01:50 PM - Post#365705
I've been saying this since Martz left the program last May, the current coaches have created a culture players hate being in. It is not more complicated than that. |
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CM Masters Student Posts 437 |
03-18-24 01:51 PM - Post#365706
Players respect guys like Ed Holland and they know he's good. So if he gets treated in the way he was this year by the coaches then they know anybody can be. |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575
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03-18-24 01:53 PM - Post#365707
Slajchert news: https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/03/clark -slajch...
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 02:02 PM - Post#365709
Right, a bit of old news actually. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-18-24 02:47 PM - Post#365717
Did he lose time? I guess he dropped from a little over 29 mpg OOC to a little over 28 mpg in Ivy play. I think that had nothing to do with quixotic lineups though — his sub 30 minute games were either Dartmouth blowouts or games where he had foul trouble. Regardless, one minute less time isn’t much. He played starter minutes in every game this year. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-18-24 02:55 PM - Post#365719
Curious to see what happens now. Perkins is the biggest undergrad so far, but Harvard has two and Yale has one. That’s already a lot. That’s in addition to all the graduating seniors you’d expect to be there. |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
03-18-24 03:26 PM - Post#365725
8 high school kids shot at a bus stop in Philly last week. Sorry, but I don’t recall that happening in the past. And the kids themselves described Philly as a “war zone”. Get your head out of your you know where. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-18-24 03:30 PM - Post#365727
You could not be more wrong. Just stop. Columbia just got an at -large bid in a city with the same BS narrative. As for this overall news, there’s nothing more to say. Maybe it will help accelerate the process we know needs to happen. Dark times. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 03:30 PM - Post#365728
I live here Stan--you don't. I walk the "dangerous" streets of Philadelphia every day. Yes, 8 kids got shot at a bus stop in Northeast Philadelphia. It's tragic. But it has nothing to do with this topic and you're just giving us propaganda. There was objectively far more crime under your sainted Reagan than there is today. It's a shame to see you so ridiculously brainwashed that you post MAGA propaganda having nothing to do with Perkins leaving. But it's par for the course. Just bring real facts, not made up BS. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1904 |
03-18-24 03:30 PM - Post#365729
Do you have any form of direct input from a player or coach? If so, I'm genuinely interested. If it is hearsay, I'm still somewhat interested. If this is just what you think they should be thinking, then this is a useless. There are so many basketball, academic, and personally reasons why players may want to transfer. There are a lot of people unhappy about playing time in EVERY sport. I personally doubt that was Perkins' issue, but I'll admit I have no idea.
Players respect guys like Ed Holland and they know he's good. So if he gets treated in the way he was this year by the coaches then they know anybody can be. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 03:34 PM - Post#365735
It's silliness. Penn is getting a record number of applicants these days. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-18-24 03:45 PM - Post#365741
Curious to see what happens now. Perkins is the biggest undergrad so far, but Harvard has two and Yale has one. That’s already a lot. That’s in addition to all the graduating seniors you’d expect to be there. If all the star freshman leave the league maybe they’ll wake up and decide to compete? Or we just leave D1. It’s seemingly what they've wanted with football anyway. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338 
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03-18-24 03:56 PM - Post#365742
If you don’t think that there are also other things happening at Penn and in Philly in general that help contribute to this (along with the prospect of receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the major conference programs) you are just naive. Penn could hire Mike Krzyzewski out of retirement and this would still be happening. If you are implying what I think you are, that's just plain silly. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338
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03-18-24 04:00 PM - Post#365743
8 high school kids shot at a bus stop in Philly last week. Sorry, but I don’t recall that happening in the past. And the kids themselves described Philly as a “war zone”. Get your head out of your you know where. All the major crime stats in Philly are down to pre-pandemic levels. You are cherry-picking a couple of related isolated incidents. Penn Athletes do not have any exposure to those neighborhoods unless they want to. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
03-18-24 04:40 PM - Post#365746
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/03/tyler -perkin... DP take- NOT written by the apologist who penned the Steve MUST stay nonsense. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 04:51 PM - Post#365748
The DP has fallen so far. No comments from any sources inside or outside the Penn program. |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
03-18-24 06:59 PM - Post#365779
Perkins will NOT get enough NIL money for that to matter. It's the coaching. Not the area or anything else. If Yoyo or anybody else has any questions please feel free to DM me. I have no idea how anybody still is willing to die on this SD hill |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-18-24 07:17 PM - Post#365780
You know where I stand but if Mack or Lee or Wolf leave too the problem is much bigger than just Steve. It’s time for the league to make a decision on which way they want to go. I asked my 13-year-old what’s that worst thing that could happen to Penn. He immediately said “Tyler’s leaving?!” What did I do to that poor kid. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
03-18-24 07:22 PM - Post#365781
Who are the Yale and Harvard guys in the portal? |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
03-18-24 07:23 PM - Post#365782
This is not a league problem. There can be a league issue in the future (which may not be far off). But this is a Penn problem. This is a Steve problem. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 07:28 PM - Post#365783
I think it's both. I think the reason why Dingle left both had to do with NIL and a greater platform for himself before trying to make it as a pro at some level. This has to do both with leaguewide issues as well as the limits of the current Penn program specifically. Martz did not return because, whatever the injury was, he clearly felt it was not worth returning to a program that was losing such a major piece. Perkins clearly because of the program. Maybe the Ivies need to rethink the grad transfer rule, that might help to stem the tide a bit.
This is not a league problem. There can be a league issue in the future (which may not be far off). But this is a Penn problem. This is a Steve problem. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 08:12 PM - Post#365786
I agree. He's leaving for the reason that he wants to be somewhere else---not for money. |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
03-18-24 08:16 PM - Post#365788
Jon, You are the one injecting p”logic’s into the discussion. The fact is 8 high school kids waiting at a bus stop were shot and the kids characterized Philly as “a war zone”. That’s not propaganda. And while I guess it’s possible, somehow I doubt the kids were “MAGA”. If you haven’t learned it by now, wake up. Perception is often more important and several densely populated cities is not perceived as safe these days with Philly, Memphis, SF, LA and Chicago being among the worst. If you think that’s a plus in recruiting you need to lay off the controlled substances. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-18-24 08:24 PM - Post#365789
With all due respect, since I'm a sociologist who teaches this topic, in recent years the crime rate has gone down in most places. Now, of course, with the media silos that people live in, there are certain outlets which choose to highlight certain items. You want to know what has really gone up? Mass shootings. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. And it didn't start happening in this country until the past 50 years when gun manufacturers flooded our country with all kinds of weapons that no civilian should be allowed to own. So if you're really concerned about this stuff, you should be joining the rest of us in calling for sensible federal regulations regarding gun ownership. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
03-18-24 08:27 PM - Post#365790
I don’t know why your program is losing players but FWIW, a realtor friend told me recently that Philly is one of the five hottest rental markets in the country for 20somethings. My 23 year-old recent college grad son just moved there and is thrilled. While nothing makes me happier than seeing the Tigers beat up on the Quackers, I hate to see great players like Dingell and Perkins leave the league. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
03-18-24 08:32 PM - Post#365791
I guess it's time to start tracking the portal. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
03-18-24 08:33 PM - Post#365792
Harvard and Yale players in the portal who are not out of Ivy eligibility are depth forwards Matt Filiposwki and Luke Kolaja respectively. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-18-24 08:56 PM - Post#365794
Stan, I love you as a brother. You don't need to make up conclusions from anecdotal incidents to conform the horrible collapse of the Penn basketball program to your narrative of breakdown of order in urban areas. It has nothing to do with it. Penn sucks because the people running the program have failed. Crime is way down in Philadelphia except for areas where the ridiculous War on Drugs has caused a Wild West atmosphere surrounding a black market. But in Center City Philadelphia and University City, it has never been safer. And crime has nothing at all to do with Perkins transferring nor our poor recruiting. So let's have our arguments elsewhere, but not here. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-18-24 09:57 PM - Post#365814
And Silverstein for Harvard who didn’t play this year, but was a starter the year before. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
03-18-24 10:12 PM - Post#365819
I believe he is going to graduate and have two years of eligibility, but 0 years of Ivy eligibility. |
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slane Freshman Posts 72 |
03-19-24 11:41 AM - Post#365841
I would also suggest that DePaul (with a basketball tradition as rich as Penn’s is suffering a similar fate due to the perception or reality that Chicago also is unsafe. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-19-24 11:49 AM - Post#365843
Aside from the fact that Lincoln Park is a very safe Chicago neighborhood, DePaul's last good season was in 2007. So all this time, well before the unrest during the Pandemic, they've sucked because Chicago is unsafe? Man all those Cubs fans staying away in droves! |
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CM Masters Student Posts 437 |
03-19-24 11:52 AM - Post#365846
Please stop with this nonsense. Remember, Google is free. New Hampshire is the safest state in the country but Dartmouth sucks. Explain that to me. DePaul applications hit an all time high in 2023. So did Northwestern's for that matter. And yet they're both terrible at basketball. Somehow LSU won the WBB national champs while their state had the second highest murder rate in the country. Almost like you have no clue what you're talking about. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-19-24 11:56 AM - Post#365848
I would also suggest that DePaul (with a basketball tradition as rich as Penn’s is suffering a similar fate due to the perception or reality that Chicago also is unsafe. That's silly. Loyola is just up the road from DePaul (and located in a somewhat less desirous neighborhood) and their basketball program over the past decade has been exponentially better than in previous decades. I also have a cousin graduating from DePaul (he is from New Jersey but wanted to be in Chicago for college to follow the Chicago sports scene and to be with his grandparents). He loves it. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338
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03-19-24 01:34 PM - Post#365854
I can't believe he is doubling down on this absurdity. Dunphy has amazingly managed to resurrect the LaSalle program in short order. That neighborhood has some real challenges. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
03-19-24 01:40 PM - Post#365856
Well, the doubling down means that all of Philadelphia is like Olney. All of Chicago is like Washington Park. All of LA is Skid Row. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338
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03-19-24 02:36 PM - Post#365858
I guess that is the view from Westchester county... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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03-19-24 02:40 PM - Post#365859
So are the final hold outs ready to accept the reality of the situation here? This is an unmitigated disaster at this point. Do you think the fact that we are recruiting a load of Juco kids and high school seniors SOOOOOOOOO late in the cycle means that even the coaches themselves think we will be any good next year? If you've been a reality denier, particularly around recruiting, an area over the last few years several of us have been repeatedly saying Penn's recruiting was not good enough (when I got responses like "but they're system fits" and other nonsense), hopefully you're ready to see where we really are. You're ONLY argument could have been, "oh but we have two good frosh" and maybe the next year's frosh will be good (I don't follow like I used to, and there are some promising recruits, but it is still a BIG maybe). That is done now. Have you caught up to where most of us are yet? It's time for this coaching staff to go, and for the love of all that is holy, Penn admins don't waste another year. Make a move now and maybe relationship with Perkins could be redeemed. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-19-24 02:41 PM - Post#365860
I hear the same garbage from my (very conservative, white) parents in an inner suburb of Chicago, which is Chicago adjacent. It's generally the same types of folks across the country who are complaining about this. Long Island has lots of white suburbanites who are now kvetching about "dangerous" Manhattan. They really don't have a clue. I am perfectly comfortable having any of my 3 kids (youngest of whom is 17) going into Manhattan to meet friends using public transit. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-19-24 02:42 PM - Post#365861
I guess that is the view from Westchester county... Not from my perch in Westchester. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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03-19-24 02:43 PM - Post#365862
Guys, we get the points from both sides of the spectrum, but we're here to complain about how far Penn basketball has fallen, not political opinions. Take those (both sides) to the Off-Topic board, where there is plenty of room for it, thanks. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
03-19-24 02:46 PM - Post#365864
Look, the day that the news broke about Martz I posted on this board that it was now the end of the line for SD. Most of us by now I think have gotten to this point. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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03-19-24 02:49 PM - Post#365865
Yep, I know folks like you and P38 have come around to the reality. I see no possible way to defend the coaching staff any longer, so "most of us" should really be "all of us" at this point. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338
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03-19-24 05:04 PM - Post#365870
Guys, we get the points from both sides of the spectrum, but we're here to complain about how far Penn basketball has fallen, not political opinions. Take those (both sides) to the Off-Topic board, where there is plenty of room for it, thanks. We've assiduously played by those rules ever since the OTC board went up. We just had one rogue attribute our recruiting issues to a political problem. That had to be answered. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8338
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03-19-24 05:47 PM - Post#365871
There is a difference between defending the coaching staff and expressing deep skepticism they will be replaced. The only question is whether SD needs to sacrifice someone. |
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Tiger81 Masters Student Posts 412 
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03-19-24 06:43 PM - Post#365879
Just saw an article in the The Athletic that said that Jordan Obi is in the transfer portal for her senior year. The article speculated that USC may have interest based on the success of Kayla Padilla. Is that old news? |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1904 |
03-19-24 08:03 PM - Post#365886
Yeah, I acknowledge the reality here. I did believe our incoming class had potential, and we'd finally be able to have two decent classes to build from. Perkins was a linchpin of that, though. I suppose he still might choose to stay, but I'm not betting on that. He will get plenty of interest. |
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JDP Masters Student Posts 581 |
03-19-24 08:18 PM - Post#365888
Like Kaitlyn Chen, Jordan completed four years as an Ivy student. We just do not remember year one (the 20-21 season the Ivies did not play) So Obi, like Chen and many other Ivy seniors, will be off for a grad year. Given how well three Ivy grads has worked out for USC, I would not be surprised to see an all ivy all star team again somewhere next year. |
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