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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-23-24 06:53 AM - Post#366194
The dance continues at 9:40 tomorrow. San Diego State has an elite big man in LeDee and a good defensive PG in Butler, but they don't seem to have the same plethora of weapons Auburn had. Still, they're a top defensive team and had great success in the Mountain West. This should be a good one. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
03-24-24 06:55 AM - Post#366293
I’ve watched a number of their games this season. Same MO as in the last N seasons, but LaDee adds a new dimension and Butler is a playmaker on both sides of the ball. Yale won’t have to worry about getting sped up, but rebounding and finishing near the basket will be difficult. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
03-24-24 10:32 AM - Post#366294
Eli’s are now only Ivy in bball postseason. GO ELIS.! (Forgive me GTITS) |
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ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 338 |
03-24-24 10:36 AM - Post#366296
If the Bulldogs lose I shall resume my disdain for them. Today I am a huge fan! GO ELIS!!! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 11:03 AM - Post#366300
SDS is a very tough and tenacious rebounding team, not supremely talented in terms of pure shooters but in some ways this is a mirror image of a Jones team. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 12:27 PM - Post#366307
yes. sdsu is well coached. they will hard hedge and maybe trap high ball screens. you will have to go inside to win this and battle a grown man etc. this is where they have the advantage in strength and age and thats why they will play those odds in a pressure packed game. was proud of the fight there but was also exposed by auburn. i said our difficult matchup was 3-4 at auburn. broome was a given so didnt count him though he went off and passed better than i thought he would particularly out of double. i think it also shows how hard of a time our bigs have playing physicla without fouling against grown butt power bigs. then the thug 3 was removed from the game. that helped bc he was a matchup problem. here i dont know what you do on this big. hes a beast and like broome finishes in a variety of ways. in some ways you need trunk leverage and to protect wolf. so townsend probably plays more. i admire anyone who can "disdain" yales team and james. mitch henderson was a real bitch when i played against him relative to Earl or goodrich etc. but i dont care enough abt that anymore. so i go with my training "harvard sucks and princeton doesnt matter." i do however "disdain" diehard run of the mill auburn fans from childhood so despite having a horse farm there will enjoy fridays victory which i didnt expect until i die. so it's house money for me. but i hope our kids play well of course. this might be the peak. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 12:47 PM - Post#366308
i have already had the pleasure of talking serious sh--t to a veritable potpourri of contacts- ex sec athletes, auburn alums auburn alums, professional sec homers with big mouths and even bigger wallets, my one son who has an offer there and even a few run of the mill auburn crackers at their ATL sports bar around the corner from my house where i grabbed some brunch this morning. as fun as it was to walk downtown auburn thursday in my yale gear, the last 36 hours have truly been memorable. chuck barkley who lives arnd the corner during nba season is my last unhit target. you think getting into it with an opposing fan on this board is fun? this has been like going from middle school to the major leagues. thank you to the yale team and coaches! good luck tonight but i am numb from friday and maybe always will be |
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ToothlessTiger Senior Posts 338 |
03-24-24 01:55 PM - Post#366310
Sign in the student section when the Bulldogs played at Jadwin: "Yale was my safety school" I thought "disdain" was a better choice than "hatred" |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 04:25 PM - Post#366316
ok. I guess that just reinforces every point I made above. thank you. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 04:45 PM - Post#366319
kudos to ben raab. a few weeks ago he still knew less about ball than some on on these boards. now he is taking my real time posts and making great articles out of them....the latest is on Samson Aletan and it is well done. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 04:54 PM - Post#366320
the thing i love about Samson is his moxie. he actually thought he could cleanly block what ultimately became a not good for yale auburn drive in CRUNCH time; he thought he could punch down a follow dunk fresh off the bench in 1H; he thought he could back scratch a seemingly open dunk with Broome lurking in H2; most importantly he did block 2 of auburns last three shot attempts including williams' floater where he makes an sec power forward look short armed on schamis' real time apex photo. special athlete and length for that young man especially at this level. my god he will be a monster at yale if he stays the course. lastly good to see him get an NIL spot pitching chicken on instagram today. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
03-24-24 05:01 PM - Post#366321
The dissing the Ivies get from the $ conferences far outweighs anything that james can mumble from the bar. Go elis! |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-24-24 05:41 PM - Post#366323
jaedon ladee ? is playing his 6th year of college. no wonder he looks like that. what a load he is. scary. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
03-24-24 09:06 PM - Post#366329
Take it from a Penn/Columbia Law guy---Princeton always imagines itself as the equal of Harvard and Yale. Educationally, that's undoubtedly true. But ask Harvard and Yale people---Princeton doesn't exist to them. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
03-24-24 10:03 PM - Post#366332
Aztecs are not a potent three-point shooting team, and they are powerful, so this should be a pack it in on D and spread them out on offense game. Maybe try to run opportunistically when the defensive rebound comes right to one of your guys or you get a steal. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:18 PM - Post#366334
Like the Auburn game, Yale off to a horrendous start. Rim has a lid on it. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
03-24-24 10:23 PM - Post#366336
LaDee is not going to maintain that percentage from three, but Yale needs to settle down on offense a little bit. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:30 PM - Post#366337
They are settling in somewhat. Hanging in there. Wolf having a better half than he did on Friday. Got to stay out of foul trouble. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:36 PM - Post#366338
Yale too sloppy with the ball and has missed some easy finishes after some nice interior passing. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-24-24 10:38 PM - Post#366339
This feels at the start like one where you just have to not let things get out of hand. SDSU is a terrible three-point shooting team, Yale's good shooters are missing, just weather the storm. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:43 PM - Post#366340
Yale looks very frustrated out there, on both ends. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:45 PM - Post#366341
SDSU just bombing from everywhere and hitting. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-24-24 10:46 PM - Post#366342
Well, when a guy who was 2 of his last 14 swishes two back to back, including one heat check, you just sort of gotta throw your hands up. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
03-24-24 10:47 PM - Post#366343
I read the same scout on SDSU being lousy from deep that you did, iogy. Unfortunately, they are 6/10 from 3 and Yale is 2/9. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:50 PM - Post#366344
As Jones just said, they're hitting everything. 60% from the field so far and 60% from three. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 146 |
03-24-24 10:51 PM - Post#366345
Mbeng needs to do something. He brings it up and otherwise just passes. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 146 |
03-24-24 10:54 PM - Post#366346
He hits a 3. More aggression! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 10:55 PM - Post#366347
Sounds silly, but try to get the deficit to "only" 15 by halftime. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
03-24-24 10:56 PM - Post#366348
This is a make-or-miss game. Yale has missed a ton of good shots. With normal shooting on both sides SDSU would be up by single digits. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 146 |
03-24-24 10:57 PM - Post#366349
Agree |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 146 |
03-24-24 10:57 PM - Post#366350
If you are missing shots then drive and get to the line. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 11:00 PM - Post#366351
That last 3 and it counts and this is just a nightmare for Yale. Poulakidas with bupkus on the other end. Oy. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 11:02 PM - Post#366352
1 offensive rebound for Yale this half. That hurts given that they missed 19 shots. |
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scoop85 Freshman Posts 64 |
03-24-24 11:02 PM - Post#366353
SD State is just unconscious. Yale is losing their poise under the onslaught. Although the Aztecs have to cool off in the 2nd half,I don’t see any realistic chance that Yale can get within spitting distance. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
03-24-24 11:04 PM - Post#366354
Tough match up. |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-24-24 11:06 PM - Post#366355
Yeah I mean, when a bunch of 30% 3 point shooters decide to hit every three, you're not going to win that game. Shame we aren't hitting shots but their defense is very physical and is clearly frustrating our guys. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
03-24-24 11:50 PM - Post#366358
I got to see these guys take down #1 seed Alabama last year in the Sweet Sixteen in Louisville. The intensity of their D was like nothing I've ever seen, |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-24-24 11:53 PM - Post#366359
Yale has played two ferociously tenacious defenses in Auburn and SDS. They beat Auburn since they were actually able to shoot the ball well from deep which opened things up for Knowling in the paint. It has just been an impossible task to get the ball through the hoop tonight with any regularity. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 12:20 AM - Post#366361
thud. never a doubt. we looked like the 99 team. hard to compete w a defensive team when they shoot like the warriors. demoralizing but honestly not sure what you do when the big kid comes out and hits 3s and then his mates all join him given the d they play. thank you for auburn!!!! now to portal season. gross |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-25-24 12:23 AM - Post#366362
Jones seems like the type to prepare for and withstand just about anything, but boy he was just overwhelmed tonight. SDS brought its A+ game tonight. They play like this, they will be in the Final Four, no question...but it's hard to imagine they can replicate this. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 12:24 AM - Post#366363
i wanted to see a better game and feel for them. they just got broken in 1h. reality was uconn wouldve been a disaster anyway i'd imagine and might for sdsu when they mean revert. we'll see lose a lot this offseason. we'll see on Wolf etc |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 12:29 AM - Post#366364
i think uconn could boatrace them in boston. but we'll see. sdsu did what i thought they'd do defensively really. we had good shots in IH but seemed intimidated when we couldnt hit them. and lets be honest we were just exposed by them in every way and they never let up. hard time for it happen but hard to play them in a late game in the west anyway. if they can shoot even 40% from 3 they cld uconn a game but i dont buy it really |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 12:37 AM - Post#366365
i think the coaching q i have is when do get down 7 at the jump after missing everything including fts (knowling) use your tos baby. settle them down and dont let momentum build. you get long tv timeouts anyway. also try to disrupt theit rhythm goven how confident they looked. but would it have mattered? no. but otherwise dont know what jones does. they got hammered |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3678 |
03-25-24 01:03 AM - Post#366370
Tough way to go out but Yale still made the Ivy proud with the Auburn upset. I've seen a lot of SDSU games this season, and this is the best offensive game I've seen them play all year. They have a penchant for playing close games with almost everyone - inferior and superior opponents alike - and usually pulling out a close win. But when Jaedon Ledee made 2 threes to start the game... I knew they were unusually locked in. I also wonder if Poulakidas' shot was affected by hitting his elbow/wrist on the floor. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 01:15 AM - Post#366371
yea i havent seen them much but i would tip my cap to sdsu and unlv out of the mw. they both play hard and are very physical and hell to play when they make shots. just a terrible snowball. i do agree with james that the team "splintered" late 1H and lost the gritty edge that resurrected the season after Brown II. kind of an odd feature of this team with all the blown leads at the beginning. i expected a better game and thought this was bettwr matchup than auburn. boy was i wrong. jones' postgame opening statement was great particularly the part about sports as a metaphor for life and sometimes you get a sh--t sandwich and have to eat it. thats what it was. i worry abt the future of yale basketball and the league so that's the sandwich i dont want to eat and had hoped in front of it tonight's would taste better. nope |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-25-24 07:25 AM - Post#366374
This was actually one of the less frustrating ways to go out, I think. San Diego State shot a tick under 50% from three, and that's the only thing they were notably poor at as a team. Would've been nigh impossible to beat that even with a good game from Yale, which makes the fact that Yale's actually good shooters couldn't hit their good shots and SDSU's bad ones were hitting heat checks less irritating. Obviously who knows what happens player-movementwise, but if everybody comes back, next year looks bright. Matt and August will be hard to replace, of course, but there are talented freshmen who didn't get much run this year waiting in the wings for their shot. It was a fun season to be a Bulldog fan, and I hope that this NCAA performance helps the Ivy get some respect from the committee going forward. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 07:41 AM - Post#366375
i had hoped we put sole game pressure on them for fun after the start. the duke game from 2016 was an incredible comeback that fell short. but yea sometimes getting thrashed in every category makes it easier to swalllow. i wasnt prepared for what we got from them at all. neither was the team. "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."-mike tyson i probably gloated too hard with auburn. but i couldnt help it . such a special upset. just as this was an unexpected beat down |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 07:47 AM - Post#366376
there will be a lot of young talent coming up and i like the recruiting class. need to have a shooter step and up and theoretically wolf/aletan would be great. danny didnt have the tourney i expected. who kmows what lies ahead with him but developing his post game should be his focus not matter what he does. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
03-25-24 08:41 PM - Post#366446
Consecutive Sweet 16s too much to hope for. But nice try, Dogs. Jones is super coach |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 10:09 PM - Post#366455
it stings. backhanded or not. we didnt get it done. i dont want to get greedy with the portal but i am not sure what it would take to win that game if you replayed it. i assume it would be closer but still quite a delta given our lack of shooting depth to counter a packed in lane and some grown men under the basket. but its a funny sport on a big stage where stuff snowballs fast. when do the 24/25 year olds stop playing ? i assume next year but the math is fuzzy. if we have an exodus of sorts maybe you mandate a gap year for 1 star players and try to bulk them up to compete in year 5. ha but seriously yale beat the sec tournament champ and never really had its A/+ game. that is crazy. flip side is princeton and cornell played pretty well also against tough teams. still impressive in this era |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-25-24 10:14 PM - Post#366456
despite my respect for them i still lean uconn 10.5 pretty hard in boston. i just dont think much is repeatable and ladee could get stymied by clingan and the backup 5. his line drives might not all go in. uconn shot 3-22 from 3 and buried northwestern in a more neutral game. but i was so wrong on the gravity of this one that i have stage fright. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1892 |
03-26-24 12:00 AM - Post#366462
One of the most under rated players on the Sweet Sixteen Tigers team was Keeshawn Kellman. At 6’9” 240 he had a Power-5 body and a nifty skill set that complemented Tosan (a muscular 6’8” 220) very nicely. The stunning part to many about the upset over Arizona is that we shot very poorly from deep in that game and, if memory serves, had more blocked shots and dunks than the Wildcats with their twin towers. The Tigers had a great run this year but without the height and muscle of those two guys, I’m not sure we would have made it very far in the NCAA tournament if we had made it past Brown and Yale in Ivy Madness. 6’7 6’7 6’4 is just a lot different than 6’9 6’8 6’7 when you’re playing with the big boys. The Tigers should have a really nice team next year but will be even smaller unless they can get more playing time from their returning bigs who showed promise but didn’t play much this year. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 05:10 AM - Post#366464
very true and no doubt. i think you take it a step further now and being old underneath the basket helps along with size and skill. princeton had both last year with an elite floor spreading big. you are now playing against grown men with this ridiculous redshirt + covid yr+ get paid to hang around era. it changed fast and guys like calipari found out the hard way. i remember when it was a rush to get out of college to play pro ball somewhere. was like yesterday now it's the opposite unless you are a top 50 player. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 05:14 AM - Post#366465
i saw a graphic that unc's starting lineup at 22.8 years is as old as the oklahoma thunder. samson aletan is a beast but he hasnt turned 19. danny wolf is 19. just tough to play against a ladee and broome etc |
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iogyhufi Masters Student Posts 681 |
03-26-24 08:57 AM - Post#366474
The darndest thing about being a 12/13 seed is that it's much harder to make a S16 run or deeper than it would be if the same team were a 14 or 15. Mathematically speaking, you've got to beat two teams ranked in the top 25 in the country to make it out of the first weekend as a 12 or 13. We can grant that it's a bit harder to beat a 2 or 3 than a 4 or 5. But your second round game is against a 6 (or 11; that upset is a lot more likely to happen and help you) or a 7/10, teams who are usually pretty seriously flawed power conference teams (for example, Missouri last year). We can look at Oakland this year or Saint Peter's from 2022 as examples of why this might be. This is kind of the wages of being a mid-major - you're really just not going to be higher than a 12 or maybe an 11 no matter what you do. McNeese State was 30-3 with a Quad 1 win and only one bad loss. 12 seed. James Madison was 31(!)-3 with an absolute gem of a win at Michigan State and only one bad loss. 12 seed. Heck, had Princeton won the ILT, they'd have been an 11 seed with 3 Q2 wins and zero bad losses! (No Q1 wins, granted, but also no Q1 opportunities). Whereas you can be 14-loss NC State or 11-loss Duquesne and get an 11 seed because the committee respects your conference. Hopefully this recent run earns the Ivy some respect. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 09:31 AM - Post#366475
thats a good point. also i just remember coach k saying in 2016 "they're good and they are old" when referencing yale this is just not true right now. theoretically it could be more true when you look at yale or princeton in 2 years and eliminate the covid year. but with NIL i would imagine most power 5 teams will have 5th years to counterbalance any youth. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
03-26-24 05:10 PM - Post#366561
Changes in the rules and the officiating have made shot blocking (and contesting at the rim) more important than ever. Drawing charges and positional post defense have become difficult or impossible against good players who are allowed to crash into the defender, liberally use their off hand to ward off defenders, and carry, travel, etc. on their final approach. The Tennessee-Texas game in this year’s tournament was a great example, with athletic guards and bigs flying in to strip, contest, and block layup attempts every time. Maybe one or two attempts to draw a charge. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21270 |
03-26-24 05:19 PM - Post#366563
As a counterpoint, Gabbie Marshall on Iowa really knows how to draw a charge. And gets key blocks despite her size. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 06:38 PM - Post#366568
yes, i couldnt believe how much more physical it was under the basket in yale's two games. i also remember robbie hummel saying during the auburn game when wolf fouled out that all yale had was samson who while 6.10 only weighed 223. of course he won that game on the last possession by blocking two shots but we cldnt secure a rebound for like 33 seconds. it's a different game now. i watch vonterius woolbright get triple doubles as a pg bc he just posts up in the lane in the southern conference and pulls a ladee. got to get thicker and older down there to compete. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 06:41 PM - Post#366569
assuming he doesnt transfer this is what is so exciting about Samson. his legs are tree trunks for a kid his height and age. and he has power 5 length and athleticism. which is why texas, houston, tcu, etc all wanted him. he might always be 223 in the yale program but i see him at 240-250 next year. And unlike ajogbar he might have time to expand his game bf he graduates again assuming he stays. god forbid wolf stays. then you have a power 5 tandem at the 4/5 |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
03-26-24 06:50 PM - Post#366570
my pregame scouting report on this board was somewhat on point but understated they forced tough 2s which you knew was the goal and we werent going to win the rebounding battle even if they shot like they normally do though i imagine that wldve led to more dreb opps. but it was obvious to me based on auburn age/strength wld be a challenge down low. townsend is strong but they called a foul every time he took a step. "sdsu is well coached. they will hard hedge and maybe trap high ball screens. you will have to go inside to win this and battle a grown man etc. this is where they have the advantage in strength and age and thats why they will play those odds in a pressure packed game. was proud of the fight there but was also exposed by auburn. i said our difficult matchup was 3-4 at auburn. broome was a given so didnt count him though he went off and passed better than i thought he would particularly out of double. i think it also shows how hard of a time our bigs have playing physicla without fouling against grown butt power bigs. then the thug 3 was removed from the game. that helped bc he was a matchup problem. here i dont know what you do on this big. hes a beast and like broome finishes in a variety of ways. in some ways you need trunk leverage and to protect wolf. so townsend probably plays more." |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
03-27-24 02:19 PM - Post#366607
On the timeout thing, one counter is that one of Jones’ strengths is that he exudes calm and that keeps the team calm. So not calling timeout may just be saying “nothing to see here” and conveying to the team that there isn’t a need to panic. Eventually they got punched in the mouth enough that they finally unraveled. But it took a while, and some crazy sustained shooting by SDSU. |
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