AsiaSunset
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06-30-05 09:41 AM - Post#8562
DP confirms we play them at Cameron this year although no date is settled. No mention of Nova in AC although it's possible.
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AsiaSunset
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Re: Nova
06-30-05 10:21 AM - Post#8563
In response to AsiaSunset
Should have been clearer - DP says that Nova will play us at the Palestra although I'm just offering up the possibility that the venue may not be set in concrete. The schedules often are adjusted. Full sched to be published in August. For now - it's the Palestra according to the DP
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Penn90
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Re: Nova
06-30-05 12:23 PM - Post#8564
In response to AsiaSunset
Bigger news is Roger Reina leaving the wrestling program. That's a huge blow.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: Duke
06-30-05 02:56 PM - Post#8565
In response to AsiaSunset
Wonder if a return visit to Penn is in the offing. My understanding is that Fran and Krz---ski have tried to schedule this for years but that the Duke coach insisted that any return game at Philly be played at the FUCenter (or whatever they're calling it these days) instead of the Palestra.
I wonder if they ever worked that out or if this is a one-off at Cameron.
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mshimmy
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Re: Duke
06-30-05 05:29 PM - Post#8566
In response to AsiaSunset
With the exception of the regionally televised tournament games, this could be the first nationally televised Quaker game in over 4 years. Depending on the date I'd definitely be interested in making that trip.
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Rob
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Re: Duke
07-01-05 03:15 PM - Post#8567
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Coach K's last trip to Philadelphia, I believe, coincided with the NCAA Eastern Regional scheduled at the end of that season. In other words, he came to give his guys a look at the building, on the chance they might have a couple more games there.
I'd be surprised if he ever comes to the Palestra, or if he comes to your big building until a regional is scheduled there.
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munchkininvasion
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Re: Duke
07-02-05 04:16 PM - Post#8568
In response to AsiaSunset
Duke's return trip in 2006-07 is a definite down year for them.
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Howard Gensler
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 02:00 PM - Post#8569
In response to munchkininvasion
Who says Duke is returning?
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 02:37 PM - Post#8570
In response to Howard Gensler
Is the reason Duke isn't returning because they were willing to return to play us at the Wachovia Center and we insisted on the Palestra and they said no, we'll only play at Cameron now? Because if it is that has to be the stupidest, most stubborn thing I've ever heard. It'd be one thing to refuse to play them at all because you want a 1-for-1 at your home building. Quite another thing to deny your fans a chance to see Duke in a favorable situation where you control a ton of tickets.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 05:09 PM - Post#8571
In response to
What makes you think playing them at the Wachovia Center would be so favorable? Duke bball has more fans around the nation than any other program, it could be a very proDuke (or even) crowd.
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DCAJedi
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 05:16 PM - Post#8572
In response to SFlaQuaker
Drop the could and replace it with will.
If you think that the city of Philadelphia will magically come to the Wachovia Center and drown out the Duke fans you are deluding yourself.
And there are plenty of Duke fans in the Philadelphia area -- not to mention New Jersey and New York -- that would be at that game even if no other Duke fans came.
On top of that, it wouldn't even be clear-cut that Penn make money off the game. I am sure there would be a substantial rent payment, and I don't agree with the assumption that Penn would control so many tickets.
Finally, the Palestra is what it is for a reason. We should want to play Duke in one of the only college arenas in the nation that is as celebrated as Cameron. The Wachovia Center does not have nearly the history, and certainly not the atmosphere.
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 06:12 PM - Post#8573
In response to DCAJedi
If it's a home game we control the tickets right? So wouldn't we have several thousand fans there? Again, the issue isn't Palestra or Wachovia, it's Wachovia or nothing. There are two things going on there,
1. It's incredibly rude to us fans to give us crud like Rider and American and not give us a chance to see Duke. Terribly disappointing and shortsighted.
2. more important, if we're already willing to go down to Duke and play in a hostile environment and get on national tv, why not play them again. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
Again, logically I understand, though disagree with, the idea of refusing to play them at all if they won't play at the Palestra. But once we agree to go down to Duke, it becomes stupid, moronic pride that hurts the fans (we don't get to see our team play Duke close to home) and the team (unless playing Duke at all is a bad idea to start with in which case why are we playing them once?)
Again, logic does not support refusing a Wachovia game IF YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO A CAMERON GAME.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 06:26 PM - Post#8574
In response to
It sets a bad precedent. Why then shouldn't a Top 5 Villanova team demand we play them at Wachovia this year? The Palestra is our home stadium; if a team wants to demand that Nova play them at Wachovia, fine, it's a home stadium for them.
On top of that, if you're counting on the Wachovia game as a money maker, and that's your reason...then if the game was there, wouldn't you think Penn should put us season ticket holders (and the students) up the corners like Nova does, and sell the good seats for profit?
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 06:32 PM - Post#8575
In response to SFlaQuaker
One, I've never ever talked about making money with this. Though I'm sure they would, but again, I don't care about that. I care about seeing Duke without driving down to Cameron, paying hundreds of dollars to a scalper, and watching Penn lose by 35.
It also "sets a bad precendent" to agree to away games without a return date. Why did we break that? Well, because it's Duke. Let's take your reasoning out further. What if we agreed to play Duke for the next 10 years? Duke said you have two options. Play 5 games at Cam, 5 games at Wachovia, or play 10 games at Cameron. If you agreed to 10 games at Cameron, you should be replaced as the AD and have your head examined.
Nova can try insist on anything they want (and they did back in the day and no one gave in to them) but it won't work because of the Big 5 backlash they'd get.
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 06:38 PM - Post#8576
In response to
Jeff....I'm surprised with you. There are a number of times in the past where we have agreed to play an away game without a return. Here are just a few. Michigan. USC (twice). NCState. Colorado. (I'm assuming Hawaii will not come back also). Not that this matters, but Princeton does it too (and did it for Duke).
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 06:48 PM - Post#8577
In response to
94, evidently I'm not explaining myself well. If we agreed to go to Duke without coming home, that's totally ok. Happens all the time. What I'm quibbling with is the idea that the team offers to come back and we tell them no because it's not at the Palestra. That's insane to me, especially it being Duke who all the fans would like to see. If Hawaii insisted on that, I'd laugh at them and say no thanks, because no one wants to see Hawaii or NC State.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 07:04 PM - Post#8578
In response to
So really, they should design their schedule around what Jeff wants?
And why not give it to Nova? People want to see those games cause theyre Big 5..we should only do it for Duke?
Believe me, I'd love to see Penn play Duke in person....and I'm not so sure I have a problem with us playing them at Wachovia...But I also very much respect the fact that the Palestra is our home stadium, and we shouldn't let other teams dictate where we play our games.
It's not like we're talking about Nova's ski lodge vs. Wachovia...we're talking about one of the great stadiums in college sports!! Coaches should WANT to play there...just ask Gary Williams and Bo Ryan.
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Anonymous
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 07:57 PM - Post#8579
In response to SFlaQuaker
You're not following the logic. Again, we've already let them dictate things. Now we're just being stubborn and causing OURSELVES problems. It's no skin off Duke's nose, it is skin off our nose. Until you present logic, we have nothing to say.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 08:05 PM - Post#8580
In response to
The logic is a game against Duke at the Wachovia Center would be more of a home game for them than it would be for us. It also shows a lack of respect for our program and our stadium that they will only play at Wachovia. You have a right to your opinion, and I don't fully disagree w/ you, but I also understand the logic of not wanting to play them there.
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Anonymous
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Re: Duke
07-03-05 08:08 PM - Post#8581
In response to SFlaQuaker
No, because if that was the case, then why play them at their place? If we refused to play them at their place, i could understand though disagree. once we agreed to play at their place then...
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