internetter
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12-23-05 11:54 PM - Post#12374
The Lions had a better shooting % (48 to 38) and outrebounded them by 2. So much for stats! and the 19-point spread. A key: 28-6 ND advantage in foul shots made. They had 45 opportunities to the Lions' 10.
19 fouls in the second half; lots in the first
Ben 15, Baumann 11 (on a bad night, fouled out at the end), Justin 17 (7 of 11) but he fouled out; Kravic 2, Mack 9, KJ no FGs
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roarlion2
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 12:21 AM - Post#12375
In response to internetter
not sure why this game isn't on KCR . . .can barely hear it on SNR from my Nassau County home. This has to have hurt the audience . .just as well . . .the guys calling the game aren't that good, especially the play by play guy. KCR broadcasters are considerably better That said, impressive play by the Lions. If only they wouldn't foul so much!
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TomPittsburgh
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 12:29 AM - Post#12376
In response to roarlion2
great performance so far
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Howard Gensler
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 04:21 AM - Post#12377
In response to TomPittsburgh
This looks like it would have been an interesting game to watch. Kudos to Columbia for competing with a decent Big East team on the road. It's clear that the Lions played with the Irish for most of the game but it's hard to determine some things from the box score.
Did the Lions gets hosed by the refs or are they just hacking away at their opponents? If I recall, fouing has been a problem in some other games.
Were the Lions playing killer first half defense or did Notre Dame just forget how to shoot? 6-15 from three for the Irish is decent, but 3-15 from two? 8-15 from the line? That's pretty bad. In the second half, ND was a weak 3-11 from three but made up for it by shooting 7-9 from inside the arc and 20-30 from the line?
Columbia's outside shooting meanwhile, went downhill. 2-4 from three in the first half, 0-9 in the second half. Did ND defend the perimeter better or were most of those misses late games heaves to try to get back in it? Columbia's 15-24 inside the arc in the second half is pretty impressive. Does anyone know what kind of D ND was playing?
My guess is that come Ivy time, teams will zone Columbia until they can start knocking down the three consistently. Although they'll probably zone Penn and Princeton also. Maybe every team but Brown.
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Ancient Quaker
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 12:55 PM - Post#12378
In response to Howard Gensler
Inquirer blurb this morning says that Columbia outscored ND 44-16 "in the paint", however they define that, but attempted only 10 FT to ND's 45. Even acknowledging that Columbia has been foul-prone all year, it seems to me that the Lions had to have been hosed, at least partially. (At Notre Dame...never!) How do you score that many points inside and not draw fouls, while your opponent scores virtually nothing inside and lives on the line???
This would have been a great win for the league, as well as for the Lions, and it's a shame they couldn't pull it off. Playing five against eight is always tough.
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Condor
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 01:26 PM - Post#12379
In response to Ancient Quaker
Quote:
Inquirer blurb this morning says that Columbia outscored ND 44-16 "in the paint", however they define that, but attempted only 10 FT to ND's 45. Even acknowledging that Columbia has been foul-prone all year, it seems to me that the Lions had to have been hosed, at least partially. (At Notre Dame...never!) How do you score that many points inside and not draw fouls, while your opponent scores virtually nothing inside and lives on the line???
Refs will often let the big guys bang without calling fouls. Columbia got most of its points from its big men while ND got most of its points from its guard that I suspect were taking it to the hoop to draw fouls. I did not see the game, but I would not necessarily assume that Columbia was homered.
Regardless, it was a good effort by Columbia. How did they lose to Army?
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internetter
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 04:39 PM - Post#12380
In response to Condor
Jones said he thought the refs did a good job and that the Lions were often out of position and did foul (see Recent Lion Wire stories in the Ft. Wayne and South bend papers)
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theivyleague
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Re: vs ND-half
12-24-05 08:37 PM - Post#12381
In response to internetter
Where did the Lions come from this year. They were picked to finish last in the league. It just goes to show how much preseason polls are worth. They may not win the league this year, but they are vastly improved from last year
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