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03-14-17 03:10 PM - Post#226988
Given all the discussion, how about a poll?
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Tiger69
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference 03-14-17 03:27 PM - Post#226992
In response to Administrator
Better option: Friday night semis on home courts of higher seed. Sunday final on neutral court (double header with women's final.
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Old Bear
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference 03-14-17 03:29 PM - Post#226993
In response to Tiger69
Agreed T69, could even play semi's on Thurs.
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palestra38
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference 03-14-17 03:47 PM - Post#226997
In response to Old Bear
My suggestion was single site, Friday night doubleheader and Sunday final
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Old Bear
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03-14-17 04:15 PM - Post#227001
In response to palestra38
I would prefer giving the higher seed the home court, and perhaps even for the finals. You would get good, if not sellout, attendance, even for the Women.
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rbg
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03-14-17 04:15 PM - Post#227002
In response to palestra38
My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men
Hosted at the Palestra
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palestra38
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03-14-17 04:18 PM - Post#227003
In response to Old Bear
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
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Tiger69
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03-14-17 05:01 PM - Post#227008
In response to palestra38
Like herding cats....
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penn nation
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03-14-17 05:08 PM - Post#227009
In response to rbg
My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men
Hosted at the Palestra
Make it mud wrestling
#1 men vs #4 women--Upper Quad
#1 women vs #4 men--Lower Quad
Alternate version--
Same teams as above, playing basketball in the Palestra. Shirts vs skins. #1 seed in each case decides which is which.
The other teams actually have to play basketball against each other in the Palestra, M vs M and F vs F.
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digamma
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03-14-17 05:09 PM - Post#227010
In response to penn nation
I had a lot of fun Saturday and Sunday. Sometimes that's enough. After all, this is about me, right? So, I'm fine keeping as it was this year.
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westphillywarrior
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03-14-17 05:20 PM - Post#227014
In response to palestra38
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.
I'm with Old Bear and Tiger69. Let's make the 14 game tournament more meaningful by rewarding the higher seeds with a home game. I don't care whether it's 8 teams, 6 teams (with top two seeds getting a bye) or 4 teams, but let's go home court for the higher seed, until the championship game on an appropriate neutral court.
I'm not voting for any of the listed options.
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SRP
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03-14-17 06:21 PM - Post#227024
In response to westphillywarrior
N+1 format: Let the number of teams in the tourney equal the number of losses of the regular-season champion plus one.
Champion byes: The regular-season champion gets a first-round bye whenever there is an odd number of teams eligible.
Champion venue: The tournament is held on the home court of the regular-season champion.
This setup generates the most interest during the regular season in both the leader's games and the potential tourney entrants' games back in the pack (unlike this year you couldn't know for sure which games "didn't matter" at the end because the leader might drop another one). It also gives that nice "everybody rooting against the leader" dynamic where those who pull upsets become league-wide heroes for a day. It rewards and protects the regular-season champion for its grueling round-robin success, but it scales the level of protection to the degree of their success.
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westphillywarrior
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03-14-17 06:56 PM - Post#227026
In response to SRP
I'm fine with your N + 1 suggestion. Sounds like fun.
The problem with arguing for this option is that it seems like the tournament committee is very simple minded. Can not imagine them ever going for this. So it's like wasting your vote on the Green Party.
The other problems are the league sounded like they really wanted an arena large enough for a lot of fans and they also wanted the men's and women's (at least championship games) together.
But, all that aside, I like your idea way better than what we had this year.
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SRP
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03-14-17 09:59 PM - Post#227035
In response to westphillywarrior
Thanks, westphillywarrior. Since my vote doesn't count here anyway, I'd rather be an intelligent idealist than a compromiser with foolishness.
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Silver Maple
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03-14-17 11:23 PM - Post#227041
In response to westphillywarrior
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.
Perhaps the the ultimate purpose of the event is to help us all understand the true meaning of Christmas.
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palestra38
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03-15-17 08:29 AM - Post#227050
In response to Silver Maple
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/c ollege/...
For those who missed this article, it makes it fairly clear that we are not going to any system that is home court, because they want to keep the men's and women's tournament together. The only question appears to be where to hold it next year.
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westphillywarrior
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03-15-17 12:58 PM - Post#227106
In response to palestra38
I don't see anything in that article that would preclude having early round games on higher seeds home courts and then bringing the men and women together for their championship games on a neutral court.
I don't get it. I don't understand how any fan can't see that it's just flat out wrong to have the whole season come down to games where any team is given an unearned home court advantage. If they try to move the tournament to Jadwin or Payne Whitney next year I'd hope Penn would just say NO.
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palestra38
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03-15-17 01:16 PM - Post#227109
In response to westphillywarrior
Don't look at me. I have consistently been opposed to a tournament. But if there's going to be one, I see no point in doing home courts---there's absolutely nothing to be said for that setup. This is about MARKETING. Read the articles about it in Bloomberg and elsewhere. You're not marketing the Ivy League by playing a solo game at Yale. So while I oppose a tournament on pure fairness terms, once you are ignoring fairness and having a tournament, there has to be an ulterior motive, and there is. Playing at home sites destroys that motive.
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Tiger69
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03-15-17 01:17 PM - Post#227110
In response to westphillywarrior
I think that we are pretty much agreed.
I still think, however, that the tournament should be for an NIT bid, or thepossibility of a 2nd NCAA bid if the tourney winner is so good, say hypP in two years, that it can't be ignored and has upset the regular season Champion.
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sparman
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03-15-17 02:36 PM - Post#227127
In response to Silver Maple
Hard to argue with anything that promotes Vince Guaraldi.
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Go Green
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03-15-17 04:28 PM - Post#227150
In response to Tiger69
I still think, however, that the tournament should be for an NIT bid.
What's in it for the NIT?
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Tiger69
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03-15-17 07:22 PM - Post#227166
In response to Go Green
The Champion of the asinine tournament that now determines the NCAA bid . Since the NIT is owned by the NCAA, it should be delighted.
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10Q
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05-29-17 08:43 AM - Post#229719
In response to sparman
All I want to know is, Is it good for the Quakers?
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Tiger69
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Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference 05-29-17 10:22 AM - Post#229721
In response to 10Q
All I want to know is, Is it good for ...me?
The mentality of our !diot-in-Chief.
Edited by Tiger69 on 05-29-17 10:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger69
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference 05-29-17 10:28 AM - Post#229722
In response to Tiger69
Fun fact: When I first entered the above post, the word "!diot" was auto changed to "genius". I had to change the "I" to "!" to get my intended result.
I have lived too long.
Edited by Tiger69 on 05-29-17 10:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Silver Maple
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05-29-17 10:39 AM - Post#229723
In response to Tiger69
Well, that's just bull$hit.
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Bruno
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07-05-17 08:19 PM - Post#230543
In response to Silver Maple
Yes to tournament. Top six. First four Thursday. Winners take on the top two seeds Friday. Championship on Sunday.
Alternatively, you go top 5. First four Thursday. Next two Friday. Winner gets the champ Sunday.
But I think I like top six better.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh) |
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palestra38
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07-06-17 11:57 AM - Post#230554
In response to Bruno
This is a fairer plan than the current one. I would go for top 5, because it then gives a double bye---a true reward for winning the regular season, to the champion.
But seriously, there should be no tournament. We will not get a second bid and the revenue/publicity is contrary to the spirit of the Ivy Agreement, which is may the best team win.
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rbg
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07-06-17 01:33 PM - Post#230558
In response to palestra38
I am also in favor of adding teams for the Tournament's future.
Between the two divisions, there were three schools missing. If jsut one more team was added to each group, Columbia (men) and Cornell (women) would have been included. This would have given more athletes the chance to participate, and more fans would have attended some of the event.
Including two more teams to the men's and women's divisions would result in two days of quadruple-headers. With ESPN dictating the day and times of the weekend semifinals and finals, the league would most likely be looking at the practice day on Thursday and the first four games on Friday.
Two full days of Quadruple-headers, followed by a double-header, will take a lot of effort from the league and venue staffs. While they all did a very good job this past year, it might be reasonable to start with adding one team to each division.
As a result, there could be a double-header on Friday night, followed by Saturday's quadruple-header and Sunday's double-header.
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Old Bear
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10-12-21 07:08 PM - Post#327085
In response to sparman
I think you might want to save a space in the Ivy tournament for the Bears.They have 4 starters back, two transfers and a couple of others who may see significant time.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-12-21 08:11 PM - Post#327088
In response to Old Bear
Bears make the tournament.
Best front court in the league
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mbaprof
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01-29-22 11:48 AM - Post#334584
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Play the tournament in a high school gym in a great city with good restaurants and hotels, make sure “host” school doesnt make it so Penn , Princeton, Yale (who have the only arenas worthy of hosting) face off on neutral court. Welcome to 2022!
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palestra38
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01-29-22 01:09 PM - Post#334597
In response to mbaprof
I'm fine with playing at Boston---but the Tournament, to meet it's supposed goal to bring everyone together should be played at Agganis Arena at BU---minutes away and seats 7200. Anywhere that hosts should seat 5000 or more. They should not have to empty the building nor price it so high that demand is low. Everything the Ivy League does from a marketing and promotion basis is ridiculous.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-10-22 12:05 PM - Post#338655
In response to palestra38
I would love to see a neutral site perhaps in Bridgeport. Easier for more people to get there. I am sitting in an airport in Allentown waiting for a flight to Charlotte connecting to Boston. Ridiculous! But I will get to see my Tigers play at least 2 games and maybe 4. At my age it's worth it.
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palestra38
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03-10-22 12:13 PM - Post#338656
In response to ToothlessTiger
Since I am in Philadelphia, I'm just flying Jet Blue for $75 each way. Wouldn't it be easier for you to drive down to PHL rather than fly Allentown to Charlotte to Boston for a whole lot more?
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ToothlessTiger
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03-10-22 12:26 PM - Post#338657
In response to palestra38
Hope we can meet there. Would love to say hello in person. Perhaps we can email each other. tigerclarkc@aol.com
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UPIA1968
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10-20-23 09:59 PM - Post#358509
In response to ToothlessTiger
First round of four on Friday night at the gyms of the two higher seeds.
Final at the gym of the highest remaining seed on Sunday.
This format would maximize the crowds and reward the higher seeds.
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