 Administrator
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 03-14-17 03:10 PM - Post#226988
Given all the discussion, how about a poll?
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Tiger69
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 03:27 PM - Post#226992
In response to Administrator
Better option: Friday night semis on home courts of higher seed. Sunday final on neutral court (double header with women's final.
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Old Bear
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 03:29 PM - Post#226993
In response to Tiger69
Agreed T69, could even play semi's on Thurs.
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palestra38
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 03:47 PM - Post#226997
In response to Old Bear
My suggestion was single site, Friday night doubleheader and Sunday final
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Old Bear
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03-14-17 04:15 PM - Post#227001
In response to palestra38
I would prefer giving the higher seed the home court, and perhaps even for the finals. You would get good, if not sellout, attendance, even for the Women.
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rbg
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03-14-17 04:15 PM - Post#227002
In response to palestra38
My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men
Hosted at the Palestra
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palestra38
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03-14-17 04:18 PM - Post#227003
In response to Old Bear
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
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Tiger69
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03-14-17 05:01 PM - Post#227008
In response to palestra38
Like herding cats....
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penn nation
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03-14-17 05:08 PM - Post#227009
In response to rbg
My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men
Hosted at the Palestra
Make it mud wrestling
#1 men vs #4 women--Upper Quad
#1 women vs #4 men--Lower Quad
Alternate version--
Same teams as above, playing basketball in the Palestra. Shirts vs skins. #1 seed in each case decides which is which.
The other teams actually have to play basketball against each other in the Palestra, M vs M and F vs F.
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digamma
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03-14-17 05:09 PM - Post#227010
In response to penn nation
I had a lot of fun Saturday and Sunday. Sometimes that's enough. After all, this is about me, right? So, I'm fine keeping as it was this year.
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westphillywarrior
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03-14-17 05:20 PM - Post#227014
In response to palestra38
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.
I'm with Old Bear and Tiger69. Let's make the 14 game tournament more meaningful by rewarding the higher seeds with a home game. I don't care whether it's 8 teams, 6 teams (with top two seeds getting a bye) or 4 teams, but let's go home court for the higher seed, until the championship game on an appropriate neutral court.
I'm not voting for any of the listed options.
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SRP
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03-14-17 06:21 PM - Post#227024
In response to westphillywarrior
N+1 format: Let the number of teams in the tourney equal the number of losses of the regular-season champion plus one.
Champion byes: The regular-season champion gets a first-round bye whenever there is an odd number of teams eligible.
Champion venue: The tournament is held on the home court of the regular-season champion.
This setup generates the most interest during the regular season in both the leader's games and the potential tourney entrants' games back in the pack (unlike this year you couldn't know for sure which games "didn't matter" at the end because the leader might drop another one). It also gives that nice "everybody rooting against the leader" dynamic where those who pull upsets become league-wide heroes for a day. It rewards and protects the regular-season champion for its grueling round-robin success, but it scales the level of protection to the degree of their success.
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westphillywarrior
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03-14-17 06:56 PM - Post#227026
In response to SRP
I'm fine with your N + 1 suggestion. Sounds like fun.
The problem with arguing for this option is that it seems like the tournament committee is very simple minded. Can not imagine them ever going for this. So it's like wasting your vote on the Green Party.
The other problems are the league sounded like they really wanted an arena large enough for a lot of fans and they also wanted the men's and women's (at least championship games) together.
But, all that aside, I like your idea way better than what we had this year.
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SRP
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03-14-17 09:59 PM - Post#227035
In response to westphillywarrior
Thanks, westphillywarrior. Since my vote doesn't count here anyway, I'd rather be an intelligent idealist than a compromiser with foolishness.
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Silver Maple
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03-14-17 11:23 PM - Post#227041
In response to westphillywarrior
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.
Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.
Perhaps the the ultimate purpose of the event is to help us all understand the true meaning of Christmas.
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palestra38
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03-15-17 08:29 AM - Post#227050
In response to Silver Maple
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/c ollege/...
For those who missed this article, it makes it fairly clear that we are not going to any system that is home court, because they want to keep the men's and women's tournament together. The only question appears to be where to hold it next year.
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westphillywarrior
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03-15-17 12:58 PM - Post#227106
In response to palestra38
I don't see anything in that article that would preclude having early round games on higher seeds home courts and then bringing the men and women together for their championship games on a neutral court.
I don't get it. I don't understand how any fan can't see that it's just flat out wrong to have the whole season come down to games where any team is given an unearned home court advantage. If they try to move the tournament to Jadwin or Payne Whitney next year I'd hope Penn would just say NO.
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palestra38
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03-15-17 01:16 PM - Post#227109
In response to westphillywarrior
Don't look at me. I have consistently been opposed to a tournament. But if there's going to be one, I see no point in doing home courts---there's absolutely nothing to be said for that setup. This is about MARKETING. Read the articles about it in Bloomberg and elsewhere. You're not marketing the Ivy League by playing a solo game at Yale. So while I oppose a tournament on pure fairness terms, once you are ignoring fairness and having a tournament, there has to be an ulterior motive, and there is. Playing at home sites destroys that motive.
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Tiger69
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03-15-17 01:17 PM - Post#227110
In response to westphillywarrior
I think that we are pretty much agreed.
I still think, however, that the tournament should be for an NIT bid, or thepossibility of a 2nd NCAA bid if the tourney winner is so good, say hypP in two years, that it can't be ignored and has upset the regular season Champion.
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sparman
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03-15-17 02:36 PM - Post#227127
In response to Silver Maple
Hard to argue with anything that promotes Vince Guaraldi.
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