bison63
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01-22-20 10:46 PM - Post#297229
In response to nh2032
At what point do we stop calling Navy an underdog?
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nh2032
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01-23-20 06:38 AM - Post#297233
In response to bison63
When they aren't getting 5.5 pts from the bookmakers? I was going with the very literal definition of underdog there. But fully agree Vegas and crew will start to catch-up with how they are actually playing of late.
Obviously a lot can change but other than @Colgate and @American my guess is they would be favorites in their remaining games right now. For what it's worth Kenpom projections still have them slight dogs away to Army, Loyola and Lafayette too.
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res
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01-23-20 12:11 PM - Post#297240
In response to bison63
At what point do we stop calling Navy an underdog?
When they play a team they're favored to beat.
They were a legitimate dog last night, playing a better team, statistically speaking, and playing on the road. If the same two teams played again tonight in Boston, the opening line would be Navy +5.
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nh2032
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01-25-20 03:37 PM - Post#297377
In response to res
Andrew Funk's brother and Matt Wilson really taking it to Navy in the 1st half of potentially their last trip ever to Alumni Hall. Nice showcase for the PL.
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Old Bison
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01-29-20 09:47 PM - Post#297776
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
LU over CU At Cotterel
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jkrun80
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01-29-20 09:47 PM - Post#297777
In response to nh2032
Lafayette beats Colgate in Hamilton to get the season sweep. They've struggled against other teams but seem to have Colgate's number.
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Old Bison
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01-29-20 09:48 PM - Post#297778
In response to Old Bison
LC rather
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Bison137
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01-29-20 10:38 PM - Post#297784
In response to jkrun80
Lafayette beats Colgate in Hamilton to get the season sweep. They've struggled against other teams but seem to have Colgate's number.
Colgate's possible achilles heel, i.e. a lack of depth, may have reared its head. They basically have a seven-man rotation under normal circumstances, but tonight they were missing starting SG Nelly Cummings and key sub PF/C Keegan Records. Records has strep throat, and I think I saw Cummings in a boot on the bench but I'm not positive.
Btw, Colgate - coming off a title last year and leading the league by 3 games prior to tonight - had an official attendance of 930. And it didn't look that big.
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Bison54
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01-29-20 11:50 PM - Post#297791
In response to Bison137
What about all those fans on the other side of the court under the camera?? Really!
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NavyVoice
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01-30-20 09:16 AM - Post#297796
In response to Bison54
Goes along with this year in college hoops overall, nothing makes sense! This league this year, if it were on a neutral court would be the whackiest tournament ever. #7 could end up in the final, there just isnt much that separates these teams.
Navy played a guy who played nine minutes all year and he dominated the last nine minutes of the first half defensively and scored nine points in 19 minutes and had four steals.
Tommy Funk and Matt Wilson showing great senior leadership at Army..
On to the second half...
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Steve
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01-30-20 12:12 PM - Post#297818
In response to Bison137
Lafayette is just a brutal matchup for Colgate. Credit to the Leopards. IMHO, they're the PL team best suited to hang with 'Gate given their 3-point success (29th in nation in percentage and tied for 33rd in makes).
Losing Cummings and Records last night didn't help, though (hope those two are healthy ASAP), and Gate is probably winning a shootout with those two on the floor.
It also didn't help that Lafayette had a hot shooting night and the Raiders had a lid on the basket near the end.
Of course, I think other PL teams are solid too. For example, I think Army is regressing to its mean after a tough start. I watched them play Colgate, and that game was pretty evenly matched.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the top 7 won the tournament.
As I said in the beginning of the year, I think Gate is the best team but that it's about a coin flip as to whether they are the PL's NCAA tournament representative. As some of you have said, the gap between No. 1 and the field is not that vast.
Love this Colgate team, but this is going to be a fight to the finish.
Bison137: Attendance is what it is. One of my favorite memories as a student was the 08 semi v. Bucknell, never replicated again during my time there. Great atmosphere.
But the norm there is awkward silence, sneakers squeaking and coaches yelling at players taking up much of the noise. And inflated box score attendance numbers, at least during my time.
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nh2032
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01-30-20 12:41 PM - Post#297825
In response to Steve
Steve - was also at that '08 game and agree on the atmosphere. It was packed with a good Bucknell turnout and great 2nd half comeback before the Bison fell short. That was the game after the John Griffin miracle shot against Navy (sorry Navy voice).
Also agree with your assessment on Gate's tournament chances this year. Clear favorite but with any sort of disruption to your rotation there could be trouble with a number of teams. Lucky to have HC and Leigh up next while you try to get guys healthy again.
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bisonmania
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02-01-20 07:33 PM - Post#298248
In response to nh2032
The fab freshman is playing tonight for Loyola and playing pretty well. He has 11 points coming off the bench so far.
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jkrun80
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02-01-20 10:01 PM - Post#298315
In response to bisonmania
Loyola blew a double digit lead, but held on to win over Navy.
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nh2032
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02-01-20 10:43 PM - Post#298322
In response to jkrun80
Who is going to bet against Tommy Funk at this point? 33 pts and 7 3s to dispatch an admittedly disappointing Lehigh team still without Karnik.
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Bison137
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02-02-20 03:53 PM - Post#298417
In response to nh2032
Article - and video - on Aldama's debut. With him added to the lineup and CAm Spencer expected back shortly, Loyola could be a dangerous team in the tournament.
https://pressboxonline.com/2020/02/02/santi-alda ma...
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NavyVoice
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02-03-20 07:15 AM - Post#298444
In response to Bison137
If Spencer gets back, they become deeper. You can still score on them, but, you must outscore them because they will be better balanced team with Aldama out there.
Huge coup for Loyola, NBA people really high on him, his 9-game sprint to the finish will help Loyola rise up here down the stretch.
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nh2032
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02-05-20 09:58 PM - Post#298670
In response to NavyVoice
Road teams go 4 for 4 on the night.
Army's big winning streak comes to an end as Funk and Wilson got basically no help and ended up accounting for over 70% of the teams scoring.
I watched the majority of the Navy-AU 2nd half. Looked like Navy had it in hand as they held AU scoreless for a 6 min stretch, but eventually were shot out of their zone and went downhill from there.
It's well documented by this point our Bison specific issues with this year but you have to admit it's one of the more intriguing seasons in a long time.
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jkrun80
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02-06-20 09:57 AM - Post#298681
In response to nh2032
It seems Colgate and Boston are clearly the two best teams, Lehigh and HC the two worst. There's not much separating the six in the middle. The next 5 games are critical for the Bison, especially the next 2 @Loyola and @Navy.
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nh2032
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Around the Patriot League 2019-20 02-08-20 07:10 PM - Post#299075
In response to jkrun80
Just like Wednesday Navy was in a game down the stretch and then went scoreless for an extended period. Made a spurt over the last couple minutes to make Colgate nervous, but tough week for them.
Boston pulls out a closer than expected game at home to HC and Lafayette loses at home to Lehigh as Colgate and BU take a steady hold onto the top 2 seeds. Should be a fun matchup Monday night.
Edited by nh2032 on 02-08-20 07:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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