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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2019-20        (Topic#23164)
nh2032 
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02-10-20 10:05 PM - Post#299484    
    In response to nh2032

BU did their best Bison impression against Colgate tonight right down to the auto switching defense and extended 2nd half shooting drought. Missed opportunity with Rayman having an off night and Ivanuskas with some foul trouble.

 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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02-15-20 09:51 AM - Post#300070    
    In response to Bucknellbisonfan21

Lafayette’s Jaworski tore his ACL in their last game against Army.

 
jkrun80 
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02-15-20 11:16 AM - Post#300086    
    In response to Bucknellbisonfan21

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
Lafayette’s Jaworski tore his ACL in their last game against Army.


That's terrible news. He was having a terrific season.

 
jkrun80 
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02-16-20 04:46 PM - Post#300386    
    In response to jkrun80

Loyola is up 10 on Colgate at the under 4:00 TO. Better keep an eye on the rear view mirror.

 
nh2032 
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02-16-20 05:18 PM - Post#300389    
    In response to jkrun80

I know theoretically it's better for Bucknell for Loyola to lose, but I'm routing for whoever is playing against Colgate for the run in.

Some of 'Gate's lack of depth exposed with Rayman sitting extended minutes and then Burns fouling out with 3 mins to go on a really dumb play.

First time Aldama has really dominated a game although he can't make a foul shot to save his life. Spencer was great too from the Loyola freshman class. Completely different team with those two on the court.

 
NavyVoice 
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02-18-20 09:25 AM - Post#300501    
    In response to nh2032

How would you like to be Colgate and see that group walk in as the #8-seed...

 
Bison137 
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02-19-20 09:05 PM - Post#300766    
    In response to NavyVoice

Lehigh’s game at Colgate has been delayed until at least 8:30 PM. A Colgate player shattered the backboard with a dunk just prior to gametime.




 
Bison137 
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02-19-20 10:02 PM - Post#300774    
    In response to Bison137

Unfortunately Army lost in the final seconds at Loyola. Down one, Funk drove and took some contact. There was no call and Jimmy Allen ran onto the court to complain with 4.5 seconds left. Technical and end of game. Stupid move on his part since Army still would have had a chance to tie before the two extra FT's.




 
Bison137 
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02-20-20 11:23 AM - Post#300821    
    In response to Bison137

Current standings:

Colgate * 12-3
American 10-5
Boston U 10-5
Lafayette 9-6
Army WP . 8-7
Navy . . 7-8
Bucknell 7-8
Loyola MD 6-9
Lehigh . 4-11
Holy Cross 2-13

If the Bison end up tied with Loyola or Navy (or both), BU loses on the tiebreaker. If they end up tied only with Army, Bison wins the tiebreaker. Bucknell also loses a possible tiebreaker with Lehigh.

The tiebreaker situation is one more reason why beating Lehigh is very important. Other than getting out of the PIG completely, the best case is to finish 7th and host HC. Next best, but not nearly as good, is 8th place hosting LU. Worst case is 9th place, traveling to Lehigh. The Bison, btw, have the toughest remaining schedule of any teams fighting for those spots.




 
MrPhillie 
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02-20-20 11:31 AM - Post#300825    
    In response to Bison137

We will be away on Tuesday the 3rd, so it appears I can only watch one more home game this season. Bummer, even in a bad season, I’d like to see a home playoff game.

 
Bison89 
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02-20-20 11:37 AM - Post#300830    
    In response to MrPhillie

At this point, all that the Bison can try to do is WIN and KEEP WINNING!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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Around the Patriot League 2019-20
02-26-20 11:34 PM - Post#301886    
    In response to Bison89

Standings with one game to go
Colgate 13-4
BU (Boston University) 11-6
American 11-6
Army 10-7
Lafayette 9-8
Navy 8-9
Bucknell 8-9
Loyola 7-10
Lehigh 6-11
Holy Cross 2-15

Last Games
Bucknell at BU (Boston University)
Army at Colgate
Navy at Lafayette
American at Holy Cross
Lehigh at Loyola

Tiebreakers
--Lafayette: we split head-to-head and they'd edge us via their sweep of Colgate
--Navy: Swept us
--Loyola: we split head-to-head and both split against Colgate. I can't tell who has second place between BU (Boston University) and American. They split head-to-head. Both were swept by Colgate. Both swept Army. Both split against Lafayette...

However, Loyola was swept by both BU (Boston University) and American. We beat American once and have an opportunity to beat BU (Boston University) Saturday.

Then again, Army could be in that second-place mix too, so I think I'll call it a night.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-27-20 01:44 AM - Post#301891    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

Per Bucknell’s recap of the Colgate game:
“With one game remaining in the regular season, the Bison can be no worse than the No. 8 seed, and they can jump to the No. 6 spot with a victory at Boston University and a Navy loss at Lafayette.“


 
Old Bison 
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02-27-20 09:25 AM - Post#301905    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

They could have saved you a lot of time with a more punctual overview.

No wonder you can’t make morning games, you don’t go to bed at night.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-27-20 11:48 AM - Post#301933    
    In response to Old Bison

  • Old Bison Said:
They could have saved you a lot of time with a more punctual overview.

I think I could’ve saved my own time by not over-thinking it.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-27-20 01:22 PM - Post#301941    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

Loyola's Kostecka was injured last night. He came out for the second half on crutches and in a boot.

 
Bison137 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2019-20
02-27-20 02:38 PM - Post#301953    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Standings with one game to go
Colgate 13-4
BU (Boston University) 11-6
American 11-6
Army 10-7
Lafayette 9-8
Navy 8-9
Bucknell 8-9
Loyola 7-10
Lehigh 6-11
Holy Cross 2-15

Last Games
Bucknell at BU (Boston University)
Army at Colgate
Navy at Lafayette
American at Holy Cross
Lehigh at Loyola

Tiebreakers
--Lafayette: we split head-to-head and they'd edge us via their sweep of Colgate
--Navy: Swept us
--Loyola: we split head-to-head and both split against Colgate. I can't tell who has second place between BU (Boston University) and American. They split head-to-head. Both were swept by Colgate. Both swept Army. Both split against Lafayette...

However, Loyola was swept by both BU (Boston University) and American. We beat American once and have an opportunity to beat BU (Boston University) Saturday.

Then again, Army could be in that second-place mix too, so I think I'll call it a night.




Without really vetting this, I think these are a few more tiebreaker facts:

1. Army is locked into the four seed. They cannot finish better than that, since they were swept by both AU and Boston U and would thus lose the tiebreaker if they caught one of those two teams. Also they swept Lafayette, so they would win a tiebreaker if LC were to catch them.

2. If Navy wins on Saturday and the Bison lose, then the Bison get the 7 seed. They would either be in a two-way tie with Loyola - and the Bison now own the tiebreaker by virtue of last night's win over Colgate - or they would be in 7th place outright if Loyola loses.

If Navy and the Bison both win, then the Bison also finish 7th since it would be a two-way tie and Navy owns the tiebreaker due to sweeping Bucknell.

Same thing if Navy, Bucknell, and Loyola all lose. Bison would then be in a two-way tie with Navy and lose the tiebreaker.

If Navy and Bucknell lose but Loyola wins, then Bison fall to the 8 seed. They would be in a three-way tie, and Bucknell would lose out due to its 1-3 record vs the other two. In this scenario, Navy would be the six seed and Loyola the seven.

3. As for who the Bison might play in the second round, it could be the two seed - and that could be AU or Boston. At this point it could still go either way. If they tie due to both winning their final game, then H2H doesn't break their tie. Nor does their record vs Colgate or Army or Lafayette - since both have the same record against each of them.

Continuing with that scenario, if Navy finishes 6th (not tied but by themselves), then AU would be #2 due to its sweep of Navy. But if Bucknell and Navy were tied for 6th, then you would have to go even further down in the standings to break the tie since both teams would be 3-1 vs Bucknell and Navy combined.

And both AU and Boston have identical records against Loyola, Lehigh, and HC - so none of this would break the tie. Presumably it would then be decided by what used to be the RPI (now NET). Boston U would prevail in that case.

In the unlikely event, the two end up tied because they both lost their final game (Boston to Bucknell, and American to Holy Cross), then the tiebreaker would change. American would end up with the 2nd seed due to its better record vs Navy - or due to its better record against Bucknell and Navy combined.


Will check this a little more later today.






 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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02-27-20 04:13 PM - Post#301974    
    In response to Bison137

137, the Bison do not own a tiebreaker with Loyola by virtue of last night’s win over Colgate. Like us, Loyola beat Colgate once.

 
Bison137 
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02-27-20 04:19 PM - Post#301975    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
137, the Bison do not own a tiebreaker with Loyola by virtue of last night’s win over Colgate. Like us, Loyola beat Colgate once.




My mistake - although the tiebreaker outcome is still the same. The Bison win last night over Colgate allowed them to eliminate Colgate as a relevant tiebreaker - which now makes American the decisive tiebreaker. Bucknell beat American once. Loyola lost both games to them. So in a two-way tie with Loyola, Bucknell prevails.




 
Bison137 
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02-27-20 04:44 PM - Post#301976    
    In response to Bison137

One other note. Should the Bison beat Boston U, and Navy beat Lafayette, that would create a three-way tie for 5th. Navy would get the 5 seed since they swept the other two teams. But the Bison would prevail in the tiebreaker over LC for the 6 seed.




 
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