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jkrun80 
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11-30-19 02:53 PM - Post#293023    

Bucknell upset undefeated, 9th ranked Harvard this afternoon in the NCAA first round to earn a trip to California for the quarterfinals. Bucknell led 11-9 after a wild first half. The 2nd half was a defensive struggle, but the Bison held on to win 13-12.

 
Bison137 
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12-01-19 06:14 PM - Post#293207    
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Harvard, btw, had a 29-0 record. Bison play #2 USC in the quarterfinals on Thursday. Chance of a win is very slim.

Here are highlights from the win over Harvard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvORLf5Xr8&a mp;fe...




 
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12-03-19 03:16 PM - Post#293407    
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Can anybody explain why there are only 7 teams in the NCAA Water Polo Championship? The bracket seems very strange to me.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/waterpolo-men/ar ticle/20...
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NoMoney89 
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12-03-19 05:03 PM - Post#293416    
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From the NCAA

The NCAA Men’s Water Polo Committee announced today the seven teams vying for the 2019 National Collegiate Men’s Water Polo Championship. The top two seeds have been placed in the bracket; the remaining five teams will compete for the last two berths in the bracket via three opening-round games. The opening-round games will be contested Nov. 30, hosted by Harvard, and Dec. 5, hosted by Pacific, which will also host the championship to be held Dec. 7 and 8. The semifinal and championship games will be played at the Chris Kjeldsen Pool in Stockton and streamed live on NCAA.com.

CHAMPIONSHIP: 2019 Bracket | Rankings | Championship History

In the first opening-round game, Harvard (29-0) will host Bucknell (22-8). The winner will advance to the second opening-round game to play Southern California (14-5), with the winner advancing to the championship bracket to play Stanford (19-2) at Pacific. In the third opening-round game, Pepperdine (24-7) will play UC Davis (16-7) at Pacific, with the winner advancing to the championship bracket to play Pacific (16-5) also at Pacific. Game times for the opening-round games are listed on the bracket. Game times for the semifinals are 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. Eastern time Dec. 7, and the championship game will be played at 6 p.m. Eastern time Dec. 8.

Conferences receiving automatic qualification included the Collegiate Water Polo Association, Golden Coast Conference, Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, Northeast Water Polo Conference and the Western Water Polo Association. The remaining two teams were selected at-large without geographical restrictions.

In 2018, Southern California defeated Stanford, 14-12 to capture its 10th national championship title. For updated championship results, log on to NCAA.com.

 
NoMoney89 
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12-03-19 05:09 PM - Post#293417    
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It appears we were selected at large, as the Mid-Atlantic Water Polo Conference Champion


 
Bison137 
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12-03-19 08:52 PM - Post#293446    
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No. Not at large. Automatic berth.




 
NoMoney89 
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12-03-19 09:34 PM - Post#293454    
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  • Bison137 Said:
No. Not at large. Automatic berth.



Am I incorrect in reading the article that I posted above?


 
jkrun80 
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12-03-19 09:45 PM - Post#293461    
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  • NoMoney89 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
No. Not at large. Automatic berth.



Am I incorrect in reading the article that I posted above?



The article mistakenly listed the Collegiate Water Polo Assoc. which split several years ago into Northeast (won by Harvard) and Mid-Atlantic (won by Bucknell). The result is the same because the NE and MA champions end up playing each other to get to the "final six". It's just that it's now officially part of the NCAA tournament.

 
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12-04-19 11:13 AM - Post#293527    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
  • NoMoney89 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
No. Not at large. Automatic berth.



Am I incorrect in reading the article that I posted above?



The article mistakenly listed the Collegiate Water Polo Assoc. which split several years ago into Northeast (won by Harvard) and Mid-Atlantic (won by Bucknell). The result is the same because the NE and MA champions end up playing each other to get to the "final six". It's just that it's now officially part of the NCAA tournament.



Thanks for clearing that up.

Go Bison

 
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12-05-19 11:12 AM - Post#293764    
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This is a great win for Bucknell. I broadcasted games involving Stanford and UCLA earlier this year, their players were cyborgs. Big, strong amazing athletes. Best of luck headed west.. Terrific season

 
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12-05-19 11:35 AM - Post#293768    
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  • NavyVoice Said:
This is a great win for Bucknell. I broadcasted games involving Stanford and UCLA earlier this year, their players were cyborgs. Big, strong amazing athletes. Best of luck headed west.. Terrific season




For those who don't follow water polo, Stanford is a near unanimous #1 in the nation - a team that Bucknell would play if they miraculously pulled off the MAJOR upset vs USC. Stanford beat Navy 26-3 in the game Navy Voice refers to. While it wouldn't always be that one-sided, Stanford would certainly be favored by 15 goals over Navy and by only a little less vs Bucknell.

The Bison, btw, moved up to #10 in the national poll. Rarely have they ever been higher.




 
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12-05-19 11:45 AM - Post#293771    
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I did not realize that there are only 32 D1 water polo teams. I don't know why, but I figured that all of the PL and Ivies would have teams. I figured wrong. With 19 of 32 teams located out west, it is easy to see why CA teams dominate.

With only 1 other D1 team in PA ('Nova), how did Bucknell end up with a D1 team?

https://new.berecruited.com/division-1-colleges-w a...
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Bison137 
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12-05-19 12:16 PM - Post#293775    
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  • Bison89 Said:


With only 1 other D1 team in PA ('Nova), how did Bucknell end up with a D1 team?





Bucknell has had a water polo team since at least the 1960's. Back then, there were far more Eastern schools with teams - but many have become club teams or been eliminated, likely due to Title IX. For example, some of the Bison opponents in the 1970's included Cornell, Delaware, Columbia, Penn State, Yale, Syracuse, St. Francis (PA), Army, Pitt, Lehigh, Northeastern, Michigan, Richmond, Ohio State, Kentucky, etc.

I'm not sure why Bucknell water polo survived when so many programs did not, but I suspect it is a combination of having been very successful and having a lot of alums backing the program. The Bison btw from 1977-80 were the strongest program east of California and featured Scott Schulte, who is in the conversation for the best Eastern water polo player ever. Schulte scored 586 goals in his career and still holds the record for most goals in NCAA tournament play. He is the only player ever to be the leading scorer in four consecutive NCAA tournaments. Unfortunately he was denied some accolades he deserved due to California totally controlling water polo - including All-American awards and spots on the Olympic teams.

As for why the best water polo teams are all in California, I think there are a few factors: (a) almost all the top HS players are in California, since that is the only place there are strong development programs; (b) a very large number of California high schools have water polo teams; (c) the top California D1 programs are all fully funded; and (d) the California schools all have the tradition of having been the nation's dominant programs. It is very hard to recruit a top player away from them.


By the way, the list you linked is out-of-date. Villanova only has a club team, but La Salle has a full D1 varsity team. Bucknell also plays a couple of Pennsylvania D2/D3 schools: Mercyhurst and also Washington and Jefferson. Additionally there are a couple of strong D3's nearby who they usually play, i.e. Johns Hopkins and MIT.





 
Bison89 
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12-05-19 12:22 PM - Post#293780    
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I am confused. I looked on different sites, and they list different teams in D1. This site, which is maintained by the Association of College Water Polo Coaches, shows only 22 D1 teams of which La Salle is not one:

http://www.collegewaterpolocoach.org/mens-division...

Anyway, there are very few D1 teams.
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res 
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12-05-19 12:28 PM - Post#293782    
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Jay Fisette, who lives up the street from me, was the captain of, I believe, the '77 team. His bio says they were ranked 7th.


 
Bison137 
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12-05-19 01:02 PM - Post#293798    
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It gets confusing for what I think are four reasons: (a) many internet sites are out-of-date; (b) people confuse varsity teams with club teams; (c) some schools that are D2/D3 in other sports are D1 in water polo; and (d) a few D3's actually participate in the D1 championships. For example, I just realized that there is another program in Pennsylvania that plays in the D1 Eastern championships, i.e. Gannon College.

I can't find a comprehensive list, but below aere most of the schools that play in the D1 championships:


Bucknell University
Fordham University
U.S. Naval Academy
George Washington University
Wagner College
Johns Hopkins University
La Salle University
Gannon University
Harvard Univ.
St. Francis Brooklyn College
Princeton University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Brown University
Iona College
- - - - -
CONCORDIA
AIR FORCE
FRESNO PACIFIC
Stanford
Southern California
UCLA
Pepperdine
Pacific
UC-Santa Barbara
Long Beach State
California
UC-Davis
UC-San Diego
San Jose State
UC- Irvine
California Baptist
Loyola Marymount
Santa Clara
Whittier


Some of the above appear to be D2/D3 schools that play up into the D1 championships. I think there are a few that I missed as well.




 
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12-05-19 01:27 PM - Post#293815    
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  • res Said:
Jay Fisette, who lives up the street from me, was the captain of, I believe, the '77 team. His bio says they were ranked 7th.




At best, his claim is a bit misleading. At that time, I don't think they had official rankings. His 7th place claim comes from BU's finish in the NCAA tournament. At that time, they allowed two Eastern teams into the eight-team NCAA field, along with two other non-California schools. That left four California schools, who normally would easily beat the others. That year Bucknell was easily beaten by two teams before beating Brown in the final consolation game to finish seventh. Had they allowed more California schools into the event, Bucknell would have finished worse than 7th. His claim is similar to a fan of Fairleigh Dickinson basketball (ranked 211th in the nation last year by Pomeroy) claiming they were #65 in the country because they made the NCAA tournament.

To give you some idea of the disparity, the Bison lost 28-10 to Cal in their first round game in 1977. A couple of years later, Bucknell finished 5th - during Scott Schulte's junior year. I think that was their best finish ever. During that time period, they never beat a California school in the tournament, although they gave Pepperdine (who eventually finished 4th) a close game one year.


This year the Bison, who are ranked 10th, will likely lose to USC. If that happens, a player could claim his team was ranked 5th - although that really would not be accurate. To say that they finished 5th in this limited-field event would be accurate. Still a great accomplishment.




 
res 
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12-05-19 02:04 PM - Post#293827    
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"At best, his claim is a bit misleading."

Well, among other things, he is/was a politician.


 
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12-05-19 03:52 PM - Post#293837    
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Game vs USC is today at 4ET. Online here:
https://livestream.com/watchstadium/events/8 412478


 
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12-05-19 05:38 PM - Post#293856    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Game vs USC is today at 4ET. Online here:
https://livestream.com/watchstadium/events/8 412478


No sound, no score or clock on the screen, and I don’t know which team is Bucknell. Great fan experience.


 
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