Bison137
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12-06-19 03:47 PM - Post#293973
Bison Game Article:
https://bucknellbison.com/news/2019/12/6/mens-b ask...
Albany has a 5-4 record, which includes a blowout win over Canisius, a close win over American, a close loss to Lehigh, and a nine-point loss to Yale. It would be good if Newman and/or Meeks is able to return tomorrow, although I am not optimistic.
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MrPhillie
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12-06-19 04:39 PM - Post#293978
In response to Bison137
It really feels like every game will be a challenge for Bucknell this season. If I am honest, the team has been disappointing thus far. I understand the PL season is coming up and that’s where the team is pointing toward, but they are not ready, IMO.
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Bison89
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12-06-19 05:05 PM - Post#293979
In response to MrPhillie
Personally, I like to see progress being made in the OOC schedule. Unfortunately, I think that we have seen the team regress, and I'm not quite sure why.
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Maryland Bison
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12-06-19 05:44 PM - Post#293983
In response to Bison89
Bad teams can sometimes play well early, because they don't know they're bad yet.
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Paulie777
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12-06-19 07:20 PM - Post#293994
In response to Maryland Bison
I'm cautiously optimistic on this one. Funk and Avi could have strong showings and we could pull it out. A home loss will really hurt us.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-07-19 07:46 PM - Post#294046
In response to Paulie777
Per pregame show, Newman and Meeks still out.
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Paulie777
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12-07-19 08:08 PM - Post#294048
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Rim 1 Bucknell 0
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-07-19 08:09 PM - Post#294049
In response to Paulie777
Do you guys have audio with your video?
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MrPhillie
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12-07-19 08:10 PM - Post#294050
In response to Paulie777
I’m not sure what the problem is but it is a bit embarrassing for Bucknell.
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nh2032
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12-07-19 08:10 PM - Post#294051
In response to Paulie777
Quick, someone give me 500 words on whether this puts Davis on the hot seat.
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MrPhillie
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12-07-19 08:31 PM - Post#294053
In response to nh2032
Hate to be a Scrooge but something that bothers me is the attitude of some players. I am all for having fun...it helps to be loose, but there is a time and place. Some players rarely seem to take things seriously. The team is 3-8 and has played poorly for much of the year yet some players continue to goof around.
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nh2032
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12-07-19 08:39 PM - Post#294054
In response to MrPhillie
Let's get another rim related delay to regroup. Not sure why, already down 2 key players, we are so far into the bench this early into a game.
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Bison137
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12-07-19 08:56 PM - Post#294055
In response to nh2032
Not sure why, already down 2 key players, we are so far into the bench this early into a game.
ND’s subbing makes no sense - unless he has s bet down on Albany.
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Paulie777
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12-07-19 09:15 PM - Post#294057
In response to Bison137
Avi's putting the team on his shoulders and we're still down a bunch. More of the same second half what possibly could change? Harrison doing most of the coaching Davis gets a great seat though.
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nh2032
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12-07-19 09:26 PM - Post#294058
In response to Paulie777
Whether it's mental or physical the longer 3 point line is killing Bruce this year.
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Paulie777
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12-07-19 10:27 PM - Post#294065
In response to nh2032
They made adjustments, were resilient, and Sotos and Funk made some nice plays. Timmerman is a great presence on the court.
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JDBison2010
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12-07-19 10:56 PM - Post#294068
In response to nh2032
Whether it's mental or physical the longer 3 point line is killing Bruce this year.
Now 1-20 on the season. Missed a few bunnies too, which he’ll clean up, but the outside shooting is a concern. Still, when he went out with his 4th and they put up a quick 7 points to go up 12, I thought we were dead in the water. We’ve become accustomed to Bison teams coming back from double digit deficits but this is the first time this group has shown the resiliency of years past
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JDBison2010
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12-07-19 11:05 PM - Post#294070
In response to JDBison2010
Sotos scored 13 of our final 15 points and Avi carried us all game on both ends of the floor. The leader we need right now showed up and our leader next year did as well. It’s just one game but I hope this fires the group up after 3 demoralizing losses in a row
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DrBison
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12-07-19 11:06 PM - Post#294071
In response to JDBison2010
We showed mental and physical toughness, and great leadership from Avi, Jimmy, and Andrew. I saw nothing wrong with the subbing. Coach has to try and find the right combinations and play the guys that want to play and play hard.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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12-07-19 11:23 PM - Post#294073
In response to DrBison
Gutsy win but what happened to Moore’s jump shot this season? He use to at least be okay from 3 but he just doesn’t have it this season.
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candyfan
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12-08-19 02:55 AM - Post#294077
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
I'd go a bit farther and say that three leaders emerged in this game: Senior Avi, Junior Jimmy and Sophomore Andy Funk. In the 2nd half, they fought for space and shots to pull this game back from what looked dismal in the 1st half!
And all three worked with the cobbled together front court players, mostly inexperienced, to make plays work, especially since Bruce Moore had an off night.
Time after time, they slashed through Albany defense to get high percentage shots inside. When that didn't work, they kicked the ball back out for three point scores.
Nice win overall and a badly needed character building game for Bucknell players.
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bisonmania
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12-08-19 09:26 AM - Post#294085
In response to candyfan
The chants from behind the Bucknell bench was loud and clear PICK AND ROLL Albany had no answer for it in the second half. I just don’t understand why you keep heaving up 3’s when your team percentage is awful! But thanks to Avi and Spears for saying at the last media timeout NO MORE 3’s loud and clear! A much needed win.
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Old Bison
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12-08-19 12:31 PM - Post#294101
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
That team beat Canisius by 23...and we lost to them with Meeks and Newman...home and away differences notwithstanding I now have a better understanding of why the Canisius loss bothered me. Whether it’s OOC or PL we will never be successful if we can’t beat the teams we SHOULD beat. Great to get a W and I thought defensively we were sharper and more focused. Love Rhodes interior and help D but as I alluded to previously it’s no sharp observation that his O is a work in progress. He’s not as absolutely bad a shooter as he shown (at least not from mid-range) and I suspect he is
really uncomfortable and indecisive as he makes a mental decision to shoot. Puts additional tension into already tight mechanics. I suspect we will slowly see some increased comfortability - leading to better outcomes. Siena I suspect will be much tougher but I haven’t looked at their season results YTD. At least I slept
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Old Bison
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12-08-19 12:34 PM - Post#294103
In response to Old Bison
Bothered me so strongly
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MrPhillie
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12-08-19 01:45 PM - Post#294115
In response to Old Bison
The first 50-60% of the game was a train wreck. We couldn’t get good shots, make many shots and the defense was only okay. We were fortunate that Albany turned the ball over so frequently. The last 40% of the game was definitely better because, 1) the defense was tougher, and 2) our shot selection was better. It was apparent that we didn’t have much inside game unless the guards drove the ball. Instead the team continued to throw up 3 after 3, which seems to be Davis’ desire. Our team thus far is not very adept at making 3’s so I’m puzzled by how much in love with that shot this staff is. But once Avi and Jimmy in particular began driving, the offense opened up and allowed Funk and even Jimmy to start hitting some perimeter shots.
It was nice to see some guys show some emotion, particularly Avi. It was obvious he was tired of the lackluster play, tentativeness, and the shot selection. As I mentioned earlier, it frustrates me to see players goofing off and not being serious when a more focused approach is warranted. Some of the bench players drive me nuts, including Sechan and Ellis. In the last few seconds of the game, when Bucknell was trying to hang on and committed several turnovers, Ellis cones off the floor laughing right after he was part of a poor play against pressure. I just don’t get it.
Hopefully Paul and John can come back and join in the effort from the second half and this team can continue to make strides and be the kind of Bison team we’ve come to expect.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-08-19 01:51 PM - Post#294117
In response to bisonmania
The chants from behind the Bucknell bench was loud and clear PICK AND ROLL Albany had no answer for it in the second half... thanks to Avi and Spears for saying at the last media timeout NO MORE 3’s loud and clear!
Thanks for the interesting on-the-scene insights.
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bison63
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12-08-19 06:00 PM - Post#294130
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Great win. We needed a game like that. We cameback, and got valuable experience for Rhodes and Timmerman, both of whom contributed. and as pointed out earlier by several posters, leaders started to emerge. This bodes well for us down the road.
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Doktore K
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12-09-19 12:26 PM - Post#294170
In response to bison63
Is Timmerman still about 294 or getting in better shape to get up and down the court? Sounds like he has size and athletic abilities, but we run a quick tempo offense most of the time....
More observations welcome. And how tall is Rhodes? Can he play center against the PL teams?
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Bison137
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12-09-19 01:08 PM - Post#294184
In response to Doktore K
Timmerman has probably lost a few pounds but clearly has a lot more to lose to be at his best. He has done some positive things the last two games, but also committed ten fouls in 38 minutes.
Rhodes is listed at 6-8 and that may be slightly generous. I'd guess 6'7.5". He can play center vs most PL teams but will struggle against Ivanauskas (and Loyola's Aldama when/if he returns). While Rhodes is not as tall as Timmerman, he has quicker feet and jumps better. Rhodes' issues are at the offensive end, since he does not shoot well.
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Paulie777
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12-09-19 02:38 PM - Post#294197
In response to Bison137
As good as Bruce Moore is, it seemed we played well as a team with Avi, Sotos, Spear, Timmerman, Rhodes, Funk, and Rice in there. Things seemed to gel better, maybe Moore and Sotos aren't on the same page or something. Timmerman is going to be the new Patriot league stud, have this kid lose ten pounds get him laid and in a fistfight, and he's the next Tim Kempton. I can see him anchoring the Bison through the winter and years to come. But it seems like we are a whole different team in there with a certain combination of players.
Edited by Paulie777 on 12-09-19 02:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison137
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Re: Albany Game
12-09-19 03:12 PM - Post#294208
In response to Paulie777
As good as Bruce Moore is, it seemed we played well as a team with Avi, Sotos, Spear, Timmerman, Rhodes, Funk, and Rice in there. Things seemed to gel better, maybe Moore and Sotos aren't on the same page or something. Timmerman is going to be the new Patriot league stud, have this kid lose ten pounds get him laid and in a fistfight, and he's the next Tim Kempton. I can see him anchoring the Bison through the winter and years to come. But it seems like we are a whole different team in there with a certain combination of players.
1. Davis went with a bizarre lineup of Funk, Ellis, Timmerman, Rice, and Spear for a while in the first half. They were outscored 9-0. That very bad decision by ND could have ended up costing them the game.
2. Timmerman at his best will never be as good as Kempton at his worst. VERY different skill sets. Although Timmerman has done some good things, his lack of quickness makes him a liability against any big men who have post moves. Has committed ten fouls in about 40 minutes the past two games. I will be happy if he can be a solid backup center.
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HuskyColonial
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12-09-19 05:10 PM - Post#294234
In response to Bison137
Timmerman is going to get laughed at BADLY when League play begins. I can hear the cruelty of opposing team's student sections now.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-09-19 05:17 PM - Post#294237
In response to HuskyColonial
Timmerman is going to get laughed at BADLY when League play begins. I can hear the cruelty of opposing team's student sections now.
Pat Flannery has been very complimentary of Timmerman's basketball IQ, knowing where to be, creating opportunities for teammates, etc.
I think Timmerman will get the last laugh on opponents...and you.
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Bison89
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12-09-19 05:46 PM - Post#294244
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Timmerman is going to get laughed at BADLY when League play begins. I can hear the cruelty of opposing team's student sections now.
Pat Flannery has been very complimentary of Timmerman's basketball IQ, knowing where to be, creating opportunities for teammates, etc.
I think Timmerman will get the last laugh on opponents...and you.
I haven't see Timmerman play yet, but now, I can't wait to see him play.
One of the best things about Bucknell is that 99% of the players stay for 4 years. We, as fans, get to see them improve or not improve, grow or not grow, etc. When looking back, I cannot think of any players that came through the door their freshman year as a finished product from day 1. On the other hand, there have been TONS of players that have gotten better year after year. I imagine that Timmerman will have an opportunity to improve himself. Only time will tell.
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Old Bison
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12-09-19 06:11 PM - Post#294247
In response to Bison89
Exactly which PL team has a student section including Bucknell? He’s a “double-lock†in my mind for being very successful...
Lock him IN the weight room at Sojka and lock him OUT of Bostwick Greir!!!
That’s a joke guys....😂!!!!
BRW, c’mon man...that one was good âï¸âï¸âï¸âï¸! He seems like a lovely kid and I think he would even think that was funny.
He’s done just fine for being thrown in the fire btw
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Bison54
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Albany Game
12-10-19 01:07 AM - Post#294267
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
I think Pat is right on, and that Timmerman will work and improve. Not too many players who were solid from their first game...Al Leslie? Nana?Most of the players who were all-PL certainly weren't there at the start of their first year;
BTW, has anyone noticed how well Tessa Brugler is playing? Big improvement from last season; two double-doubles this week and player of the week.
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Scotty-14
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12-10-19 01:08 AM - Post#294268
In response to MrPhillie
In regards to Sechan's "antics", you have to see the context of his situation. He is a walk-on who is not even suiting up this year. He has always embraced the role as the "hype man" on the bench and what you are characterizing as "silly" can also be seen as being a supportive teammate and spark of energy on the bench. With Ellis, I think he is simply trying to mask mistakes and lack of confidence when he smiles on the court, but on the bench he and Sechan play the same role. I understand how you see it is not caring, but I believe firmly that both players do care deeply about winning and are fierce competitors at heart!
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HoleinOne
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12-10-19 09:31 AM - Post#294269
In response to Scotty-14
Like Nathan's coaching skills but for several years never understood if his early season substitution patterns were random or part of a disguised plan.
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Bison89
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12-10-19 09:38 AM - Post#294271
In response to HoleinOne
Like Nathan's coaching skills but for several years never understood if his early season substitution patterns were random or part of a disguised plan.
HoleinOne, I never thought about that. Maybe there is a method to Coach Davis' madness. Could it be that he firmly embraces the idea that winning the PL tournament championship is the only real goal, and as such, when possible, he puts his players in a position to learn during the OOC games. Sure, winning OOC games is important, but winning the PL tournament is the ultimate goal.
BTW, I don't know if Coach Davis adheres to this philosophy or not. Just an idea.
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Bison137
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12-10-19 12:12 PM - Post#294294
In response to HoleinOne
Like Nathan's coaching skills but for several years never understood if his early season substitution patterns were random or part of a disguised plan.
I think there's definitely a plan to give minutes to the bench - even the end of the bench - durng the OOC schedule. I don't disagree with that as a general strategy, but when the team has been losing, I think there are times when it is necessary to go all out for a win. ND did that in the second half, with three starters never leaving the floor and a fourth only leaving due to foul trouble. But a major reason the deficit they had to overcome was so great was due to the limited use of the starters in the first half.
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Bison137
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Re: Albany Game
12-10-19 12:14 PM - Post#294295
In response to Bison54
I think Pat is right on, and that Timmerman will work and improve. Not too many players who were solid from their first game...Al Leslie? Nana?Most of the players who were all-PL certainly weren't there at the start of their first year;
Yes, most Bison players improved significantly after their first year. But in Timmerman's case, his ceiling is going to be very low if he doesn't make a commitment to conditioning. It is clear that is affecting his lateral quickness and likely his jumping ability. In the only two games where he has played much, he has averaged 10 fouls per 40 minutes.
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bison63
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12-10-19 07:41 PM - Post#294370
In response to Bison137
Hey 137, I think we have gotten the point that Timmerman is averaging 10 fouls per 40 minutes, lol.
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Bison89
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12-10-19 09:05 PM - Post#294381
In response to bison63
How many fouls is Timmerman averaging per 40 min? 
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-10-19 10:40 PM - Post#294404
In response to Bison89
How many fouls is Timmerman averaging per 40 min?
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Old Bison
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12-11-19 05:01 PM - Post#294499
In response to Bison137
strategy under ND has always been to focus foremost on the PL...a big upset in OOC is nice but not a priority and it pales in comparison the the former. Buck is and has been always about the BID
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MrPhillie
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12-11-19 06:45 PM - Post#294510
In response to Old Bison
Got it. OOC doesn’t matter so no sense in all of us talking about it, no use in Doug interviewing Davis and other coaches before and after games....except that the coaches and players do try to win, Davis does yell at officials at times and get technicals during OOC games, players do earn or lose playing time, Bucknell promotes and disseminates game and team information.
I believe all teams went to win and will do whatever they can to win any given game within the constructs of what they deem appropriate and helpful to their program. The team is always developing, coaches are always adjusting what they do and what their rotations will be. If they decide on a style and rotation based on OOC play but certain players are not performing a few games into the conference season, the coaches will continue to make adjustments. It’s a fluid process.
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Bison137
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12-11-19 09:25 PM - Post#294512
In response to MrPhillie
I understand the PL games being more important. However doing well in OOC games can generate positive momentum - and doing poorly can do the reverse.
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Bison137
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12-11-19 09:25 PM - Post#294513
In response to MrPhillie
I understand the PL games being more important. However doing well in OOC games can generate positive momentum - and doing poorly can do the reverse.
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Bison54
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12-11-19 09:44 PM - Post#294514
In response to Bison137
You can say that again
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MrPhillie
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12-11-19 10:25 PM - Post#294516
In response to Bison137
I understand the PL games being more important. However doing well in OOC games can generate positive momentum - and doing poorly can do the reverse.
Oh I agree. I was being a little sarcastic with my comment. Seems to be a lot of feeling that Davis and staff don’t really care about wins and losses in OOC, but I think they do. They work on things to be sure, but they want to win every game they play while continuing to improve. Winning the PL is always the biggest goal, especially in a one-big league, but to think the team blows off OOC just to get ready for league isn’t true, imo.
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Old Bison
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12-12-19 05:34 PM - Post#294581
In response to MrPhillie
There was no mutual exclusivity implied here. One being a priority doesn’t mandate that the other is meaningless.
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