Bison137
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02-17-20 01:45 PM - Post#300443
The last time the Bison failed to have a player make 1st team All-PL was 2010. Last time they failed to have a player at least make 2nd team All-PL was before there was a Patriot league. This year it is very unlikely there will be a Bison on the first two teams and questionable whether one will make 3rd team. (Note: there were only eight teams until the 2014 season, so making the first two teams was a bit easier in the older years.)
Here are 13 names likely to make one of the teams:
Ivanauskas
Burns
Mahoney
Kostecka
S. Nelson
- - - - -
T. Funk
W. Rayman
J. Jaworski
M. Wilson
C. Davis (Navy)
J. Cohen
J. Pridgen
W. Whyte
Maybe Toomer or Meeks or Sotos sneaks in at the end of the 3rd team picks - but there are also a few other names from Navy, Lafayette, Boston U who could draw votes.
Thoughts?
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jkrun80
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Re: All-Patriot League Team
02-17-20 03:31 PM - Post#300451
In response to Bison137
Meeks seems the most likely give his scoring and rebounding numbers, especially in PL play. If someone else picks up the pace these last few games, they might have a shot.
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Bison137
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Re: All-Patriot League Team
02-17-20 05:40 PM - Post#300461
In response to jkrun80
Meeks seems the most likely give his scoring and rebounding numbers, especially in PL play. If someone else picks up the pace these last few games, they might have a shot.
Meeks is definitely a possibility. More so if they look at points and rebounds, not defense.
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HuskyColonial
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02-17-20 07:13 PM - Post#300464
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Sobering post. How the mighty have fallen. I can’t see Meeks making an All-League team unless they decide every team needs a representative. If Rice had more minutes he would make the All Rookie team.
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Bison137
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02-17-20 07:31 PM - Post#300467
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If Rice had more minutes he would make the All Rookie team.
I think he would not only need more minutes but better performance. There are more than five who have outperformed him. Biggest issue will be whether coaches vote for Aldama, who is a very good player but who has missed much of te season. All-rookie team right now looks like it may be:
Projected All-Rookie showing MPG, PPG, RPG, and APG:
JOE PRIDGEN (HC), 6-5 F. 34.8m, 17.3p, 6.7r, 2.2a. ROW (8)
Cam Spencer (LOY), 6-3 G. 27.1m, 9.2p, 2.6r, 3.2a. ROW
Evan Taylor (LEH), 6-6 G. 24.7m, 7.9p, 3.7r. ROW
Reed Fenton (LEH), 6-4 G. 26.3m, 7.5p, 2.3r.
Santi Aldama (LOY), 6-11 C. 28.0m, 12.8p, 6.4r, 2.0a ROW
Next Five:
Ryan Wade (HC), 6-2 G. 29.7m, 5.5p.
Golden Dike (LOY), 6-8 F. 18.4m, 6.6p, 4.8r. ROW
Sean Yoder (NAV), 6-2 G. 16.0m, 3.2p.
Ethan Brittain-Watts (BU), 6-2 G. 15.1m, 3.1p
Keegan Records (COL), 6-10 F. 13.8m, 4.4p, 3.9r
(From Worcester Gray of Crossports)
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MrPhillie
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02-17-20 09:34 PM - Post#300479
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Looking at stats, I’d say Pridgen deserves 1st team. 17 points, almost 7 rebounds, 2 assists, shooting 57% including 48% from 3? Plus he’s had to be everything for his team. But I’m sure he won’t get it as a freshman on a last place team.
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Bison137
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02-17-20 10:51 PM - Post#300484
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Looking at stats, I’d say Pridgen deserves 1st team. 17 points, almost 7 rebounds, 2 assists, shooting 57% including 48% from 3? Plus he’s had to be everything for his team. But I’m sure he won’t get it as a freshman on a last place team.
Being on a horrible team is a killer. And, as you say, it is tough for a freshman to get support. Only two frosh have made 1st or 2nd team All-PL in the scholarship era: CJ and Muscala. Other than that, about the only negatives in his game are a high turnover rate and very mediocre FT shooting: .597 on 124 attempts.
Pridgen wouldn't be a consideration for any team if he only played vs Bucknell. In the two games vs the Bison, he averaged 8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg, and 5.5 turnovers per game. Not sure what the Bison did that the other PL teams can't do, but something definitely worked.
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nh2032
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02-17-20 11:16 PM - Post#300488
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My PL 1st team would be Burns, Rayman, Kostecka, Mahoney and Nelson at the moment.
I have a very hard time with Ivanauskas over Rayman or any of those others. Rap has had all his shooting percentages regress significantly to the point he's shooting 42% as a 6-10 center. KenPoms offensive efficiency metric has him 5th out of Colgate's starters by a pretty large margin.
My other hot take is that Tommy Funk finds his way into the 1st team somehow possibly through the various Colgate options starting to split votes.
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Bison137
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02-18-20 03:36 AM - Post#300494
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My PL 1st team would be Burns, Rayman, Kostecka, Mahoney and Nelson at the moment.
I have a very hard time with Ivanauskas over Rayman or any of those others. Rap has had all his shooting percentages regress significantly to the point he's shooting 42% as a 6-10 center. KenPoms offensive efficiency metric has him 5th out of Colgate's starters by a pretty large margin.
My other hot take is that Tommy Funk finds his way into the 1st team somehow possibly through the various Colgate options starting to split votes.
Ivanauskas definitely has regressed as far as his shooting goes and his KenPom offensive ranking is down - and yet somewhat surprisingly he still makes Pomeroy's All-PL team, which is purely driven by metrics. That team as of tonight is:
Patriot League all-kenpom.com
Rank Player
1 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Sr)
2 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Sr)
3 Jordan Burns, Colgate (Jr)
4 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Sr)
5 Rapolas Ivanauskas, Colgate (Sr)
Not sure exactly how this team is calculated, and I agree that both Rayman and Funk statistically appear to be ahead of Ivanauskas.
Another interesting vote will be for POY. I could see votes for Mahoney, Nelson, Burns, and maybe Kostecka. For Kostecka, it may depend on whether Loyola finishes strongly, as traditionally a player on a second division team has never won it.
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candyfan
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02-18-20 06:19 AM - Post#300496
In response to Bison137
Strange for we Bucknell fans NOT to see any of our three Seniors on the All PL team, to say nothing of our Juniors as well?
The silence is deafening, no?
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nh2032
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02-22-20 07:13 PM - Post#301254
In response to candyfan
Not sure how you keep Tommy Funk off the 1st team at this point.
Plays all 45 mins in an OT win against his #1 rival. Scores 32 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, only commits 1 foul and most impressively only has 1 turnover after running the point for the entire game. I'm don't doubt the coaches will give him extra credit for longevity and taking over as the league all time assist leader. Hard choice to kick one of the Colgate guys or Nelson off the 1st team but needs to be done.
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Bison137
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02-22-20 07:41 PM - Post#301261
In response to nh2032
Yes. After today I am sold on Funk. Might have to take Ivanauskas off the team, which would be an unprecedented move after he had won POY last year. If they took Nelson off the team, I can imagine the reaction on the American board. They are already whining how the Patriot League discriminates against American when they pick the weekly award winners and the all PL teams in different sports. Nelson has great ability, but the fact that he has no outside shot and a high turnover rate - and that American has never topped the 500 mark before this year have hurt him in votes in the past.
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Bison137
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Re: All-Patriot League Team
03-01-20 02:49 PM - Post#302572
In response to Bison137
The last time the Bison failed to have a player make 1st team All-PL was 2010. Last time they failed to have a player at least make 2nd team All-PL was before there was a Patriot league. This year it is very unlikely there will be a Bison on the first two teams and questionable whether one will make 3rd team. (Note: there were only eight teams until the 2014 season, so making the first two teams was a bit easier in the older years.)
Here are 13 names likely to make one of the teams:
Ivanauskas
Burns
Mahoney
Kostecka
S. Nelson
- - - - -
T. Funk
W. Rayman
J. Jaworski
M. Wilson
C. Davis (Navy)
J. Cohen
J. Pridgen
W. Whyte
Maybe Toomer or Meeks or Sotos sneaks in at the end of the 3rd team picks - but there are also a few other names from Navy, Lafayette, Boston U who could draw votes.
Thoughts?
All-PL teams, POY, ROY, COY, etc will be released tomorrow. I'm thinking Sotos makes 3rd team as the sole Bison on any team.
In addition to the 13 names above, one other that may get consideration for 3rd team is LU's James Karnik. Had he played the entire year, he would definitely have made at least 3rd team. But having missed half the league season, it is hard to tell if he will get support.
ROY is clearly HC's Joe Pridgen. As for the All-Rookie team, it looks like Pridgen and probably Aldama are sure things. Other candidates: Fenton, E. Taylor, Cam Spencer, G. Dike, Yoder, O'Boyle, and maybe a couple others.
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MrPhillie
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03-01-20 04:17 PM - Post#302585
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T. Funk will be 1st Team...at least should be.
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Bison137
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03-01-20 04:28 PM - Post#302588
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T. Funk will be 1st Team...at least should be.
Agree 100%. I copied my original post, which was from a while ago. As you can see in one of the subsequent posts, I have jumped fully onto the funk bandwagon in recent weeks.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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03-02-20 02:16 PM - Post#302698
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Nelson gets POY. Meeks on third team is only Bucknell representative.
https://patriotleague.org/news/2020/3/2/patriot -le...
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Bison137
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03-02-20 03:02 PM - Post#302708
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Glad for Meeks, although I would have voted for Sotos. He played well down the stretch despite all the team issues. Another huge thing imo is that on most possessions he was forced to guard the other team's center in the low post - matching up with guys 5-8 inches taller and 30-60 lbs heavier. After battling with big men in the post all game, he appeared to be exhausted in the final 10 minutes of most games.
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Bison137
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03-02-20 03:09 PM - Post#302711
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I think it is a complete farce that Langel was chosen as COY. This isn't the first time the coaches have abdicated their responsibility and simply voted for the coach of the first place team, instead of voting for the coach who did the best job.
Langel's team uncerachieved this year, considering that they returned three All-PL players, including the POY, and that they also added a good transfer. There is nothing about what they did this year that should warrant COY.
If you ranked the coaches based on how they did this year relative to expectations, I think the top ones would be O'Hanlon and Jimmy Allen, followed by Joe Jones, Ed DeChellis, and maybe Mike Brennan.
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jkrun80
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03-02-20 03:19 PM - Post#302717
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I think it is a complete farce that Langel was chosen as COY. This isn't the first time the coaches have abdicated their responsibility and simply voted for the coach of the first place team, instead of voting for the coach who did the best job.
Langel's team uncerachieved this year, considering that they returned three All-PL players, including the POY, and that they also added a good transfer. There is nothing about what they did this year that should warrant COY.
If you ranked the coaches based on how they did this year relative to expectations, I think the top ones would be O'Hanlon and Jimmy Allen, followed by Joe Jones, Ed DeChellis, and maybe Mike Brennan.
Jimmy Allen gets my vote, not that I get one, with O'Hanlon a close second. Lafayette's PL season was a letdown after their ooc performance, but still better than expected overall.
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Bison137
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All-Patriot League Team
03-02-20 03:28 PM - Post#302720
In response to jkrun80
Two things to remember about O'Hanlon's job this year:
1. LC was picked for 8th in the preseason poll. Finished as the four seed.
2. They lost All-PL guard Justin Jaworski to a torn ACL in early February, lost key offensive reserve Alex Petrie for the season before it even started, lost starting PF Lucas Jarrett for some late games, and lost a good wing, Isaac Suffern, to transfer prior to the start of PL play.
They went 6-4 in PL games decided by three points or less - which is better than they have done traditionally.
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