Bison137
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07-09-20 08:43 PM - Post#310222
In response to jkrun80
Agree it is a mistake. A shortened schedule is likely doable.
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bison63
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07-10-20 09:53 AM - Post#310234
In response to jkrun80
It raises the question of when DO you play? What is magic about the Fall semester? Seems to me that if you do not want to play now, then why would you play at all until there is a vaccine? So why not just say that and be done with it? Btw, imho, it is not a mistake, but what do I know. ( For example, anybody playing FB under these circumstance has got to be a little nuts.)
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Bison137
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Around the Patriot League 2020-21 07-10-20 12:33 PM - Post#310243
In response to bison63
I think the biggest issue when it comes to sports is how to keep the older coaches safe. For athletes without major pre-existing conditions, the risk of death from covid-19 is extraordinarily low.
For example, per CDC stats, the percentage of people aged 15-24 who have died from covid-19 is 0.000331% (142 deaths in a population of about 43 million). That means for each one million people aged 15-24 that just over three have died from this virus. And that includes those with pre-existing conditions. Since covid has been rampant for about four months, triple the above numbers to get a yearly estimate of 426 total deaths, i.e. 10 per million if the virus remains at the levels of March through June.
For comparison, the death rate in auto accidents is about 0.026645% for the 16-25 age group, almost 30 times as high - with about 266 deaths per one million of population . And the percentage of the 15-24 population who died from drug overdoses is approximately .01%, meaning about 100 persons in a population of one million died from that cause in 2018.
Comparing total deaths for the 15-24 age group, it looks like this:
Total Covid deaths (annualized) = 426 *
Total auto deaths = 11,308 (16-25 age group)
Total overdose deaths = 4300
* Assuming virus continues to kill at the same rate for an entire year
Note that there are different ways to interpret these numbers - but the general conclusion would be the same.
One other factor is that in the northeast, covid has been controlled reasonably well in the past month. Union County, fwiw, has had a low death rate - way below the Pennsylvania average.
At this point I am not arguing to play a full sports schedule but rather am advocating a wait-and-see approach. Given the low risk to college age students, go with the original plan to start games in late September and see if the plans already in place are sufficient to control things. if not, sports could still be cancelled with no difficulty around Labor Day.
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jkrun80
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07-10-20 01:06 PM - Post#310245
In response to Bison137
I am in favor of a Patriot League only schedule to further limit risk. It eliminates almost all overnight travel. You could even schedule games with Boston and HC at a neutral site midway between. If you assure that all the league teams are adhering to the same safety standards, the risks are minuscule.
That's better than depriving student athletes of an integral part of their college experience.
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MrPhillie
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07-10-20 10:29 PM - Post#310254
In response to jkrun80
Perhaps mortality rate is low in younger people but from what I’ve read, there are a myriad of medical issues that can arise from contracting the virus, some of which potentially may not show up right away. Seems taking risks with people’s lives and quality of lives (above and beyond the known risks of playing football pre-Covid) to play a sport is rather crazy.
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Bison54
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07-13-20 12:50 PM - Post#310298
In response to MrPhillie
Official Announcement
https://patriotleague.org/news/2020/7/13/genera l-p...
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jkrun80
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07-13-20 01:33 PM - Post#310303
In response to Bison54
Interesting that Army and Navy are exempt. Is that only for football or for all sports?
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Bison89
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07-13-20 02:48 PM - Post#310309
In response to jkrun80
Interesting that Army and Navy are exempt. Is that only for football or for all sports?
It appears to be any Fall sport.
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Bison54
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07-13-20 04:32 PM - Post#310316
In response to Bison89
Actually Army and Navy are not in the PL for football, so the announcement would appear to apply to all sports
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bison63
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07-14-20 08:15 AM - Post#310329
In response to Bison54
Totally recognize the uniqueness of the military academies, but I do not see why that makes them any different than any other PL school as far as competing in sports. Likely that they just did not want to go along. Nice to have them in the league, but having one set of rules for one group of schools and another for the Academies does not seem like a good idea to me.
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Bison137
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09-15-20 09:22 PM - Post#313403
In response to bison63
Not sure if this applies to football, basketball, or other sports. Hopefully it’s some good news about a date for sports resuming.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatriotLeague/status/ 13...
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Maryland Bison
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10-01-20 11:31 AM - Post#314359
In response to Bison137
Loyola hires Corin Adams as an assistant coach, the 5th female assistant in Men's division I history.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basket ...
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Bison89
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10-01-20 11:41 AM - Post#314360
In response to Maryland Bison
Looks like a subscriber login is needed to read the article.
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JPM
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10-08-20 02:45 PM - Post#314713
In response to Bison89
FYI... The NESCAC just announced the cancellation of all winter sports. It will be interesting to see what the Ivies and PL decide regarding winter sports.
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Bison89
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10-09-20 07:22 PM - Post#314763
In response to JPM
Bucknell is delaying the start of the Spring Semester until Feb 1st and eliminating Spring Break:
https://www.dailyitem.com/coronavirus/bucknell- del...
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Paulie777
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10-10-20 12:59 AM - Post#314764
In response to Bison89
I say let there be sports this winter with no fans in the arenas, have spring sports with fans in attendance, and then back to full sports and fans in the fall. The economy and private universities cannot withstand much more than two more years of this malarky. To the average 18-24 year old this is just a case of the sniffles, and they are not making covid adjustments anyways. Half the population is sequestering inside afraid to come out, and the other half its the same as always. That is no way to beat a pandemic so lets have the sports online one year and spectator the next.
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nitlion
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10-10-20 07:14 AM - Post#314765
In response to Paulie777
no adjustments,,,,i can't speak as to any other college or university, Bucknell test each and every student every 10 days, faculty and staff every 2 weeks, everyone is required to wear a mask or face covering at all times, other then to eat or drink, on and around campus, i can attest to the fact that they are taking this very seriously, the numbers have been excellent, as they reached the half way point of the semester.....perhaps the Bucknell student is not average 18-24 year old, however, they have been all on board with this policy, including the 700 plus athletes, as they understand their education and possible opportunity to play their sport, depends on abiding by the policy of the University.
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Bison137
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10-10-20 03:42 PM - Post#314766
In response to nitlion
Bucknell since August 15 has had 19 Covid cases out of about 29,000 tests. Even better, there has only been one positive test in the last 25 days.
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Paulie777
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10-10-20 07:46 PM - Post#314768
In response to Bison137
Bucknell since August 15 has had 19 Covid cases out of about 29,000 tests. Even better, there has only been one positive test in the last 25 days.
Play the sports. Bucknell has emerged as a leader and the best model of how to handle a pandemic in a university setting. They should be able to call the shots in how to play, how much, and when. And the students have been exemplary for the most part but its taking a toll. Winter sports would be a godsend to the students and help boost enrollment post-covid. So far so good and everyone should give themselves a pat on the back but going forward is going to have the same delicacy as Indiana Jones trying to replace a gold idol with a sandbag. I hope Bravman is up to it and the students hang in there. I vote for winter sports and full normalcy in the spring.
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Bison137
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Around the Patriot League 2020-21 12-01-20 10:32 PM - Post#317511
In response to Paulie777
Navy 78, Georgetown 71 tonight. Cam Davis, who is a likely 1st team All-PL preseason pick, had 28 points. John Carter Jr had 20. Davis is averaging 17 ppg
Navy thus far has wins over GWU and Mt. St. Mary's and a lone loss to Maryland. Prior to the season, I had Navy likely finishing 4th or 5th. Now I've jumped them to 3rd, and they could be a real contender. Playing 6+ OOC games, while eight PL teams are playing zero, will give them a significant edge.
Edited by Bison137 on 12-01-20 10:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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