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Username Post: Colleges in the fall        (Topic#24563)
penn nation 
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07-29-20 10:24 AM - Post#310895    

Some of the most significantly impacted schools have decided to have in person instruction in the fall, which is just plain ridiculous.

Penn has more cases than any other Ivy (167), although many of these were first confirmed some time ago....not clear how many are still active confirmed cases.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/2 8/us/...

 
Quake Show 
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Re: Colleges in the fall
08-01-20 02:10 PM - Post#311050    
    In response to penn nation

Two active cases (known) among the student body, neither on campus currently

 
mobrien 
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08-09-20 07:32 PM - Post#311313    
    In response to Quake Show

ESPN and SI are both reporting that the Power 5 conferences are probably going to postpone football until the spring. So, once again, the Ivies will have been the leading indicator for where college sports are headed.

The good news as far as basketball is concerned is that it looks like every conference will now be starting the season in January, at the earliest (assuming there is one). Which means that it's possible that we could have a January to May season instead of a truncated January to March one, with some schools trying to play a limited schedule in November and December.

Whether any of this happens, of course, depends on what's going on with the virus and a possible vaccine by early winter. Even in a best-case scenario, it'd be hard to believe that a vaccine would be widely available enough for college sports to get back going before March or April. We'll see.

 
penn nation 
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08-09-20 10:03 PM - Post#311319    
    In response to mobrien

It's also difficult to imagine any scenario involving an indoor, physical sport like basketball without a bubble for the forseeable future.

 
Quake Show 
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08-09-20 10:07 PM - Post#311321    
    In response to mobrien

Good news on both fronts. I'm glad that the safety of players and fans is being put first.

Although, I have seen some high major teams (and MTEs) replace Ivies on their schedules without changing those dates. Of course, that might all change with a postponed season, but I wonder where our teams would be in that scenario? Would they be put back into those schedules in lieu of their replacements or would we suffer the consequences for taking the right steps before it was more mainstream?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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08-10-20 08:59 AM - Post#311334    
    In response to Quake Show

Even if season started in January, I wouldn't expect Ivies will have a desire to play OOC games. I just don't see the national or regional health situation changing for the better in the next 4 months. As schools open and weather cools it's more likely to get worse, not better. Thus, if you think this through, having basketball players practice in January on empty campuses in preparation for a conference schedule starting in February is the most I can envision. I think we need to keep expectations in check.

 
Streamers 
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08-10-20 11:10 AM - Post#311338    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I agree this feels like the best case scenario unless the postseason tournaments are pushed out, effectively extending the season. That would open up all manner of possibilities from a scheduling perspective. I would think, and hope, the Big5 would prioritize getting their games in, but then I tend to be quite optimistic about such things.

 
Cooper 
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08-10-20 09:00 PM - Post#311365    
    In response to Streamers

Princeton's spring semester classes begin Feb. 1. Would they be allowed to bring basketball and hockey teams back before then to practice? Dartmouth and Harvard will have only half of their students on campus in the winter. How will they field full teams? There are a lot of questions to be answered.

 
penn nation 
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08-11-20 09:22 AM - Post#311377    
    In response to Cooper


Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
"I think they're making a tragic mistake," Trump says of college football teams that won't play this fall. He notes that he did not have the college football experience because he went to an Ivy League school.
8:22 AM · Aug 11, 2020·Twitter Web App

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status /12931607...

 
palestra38 
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08-11-20 10:28 AM - Post#311381    
    In response to penn nation

Idk---didn't Trump's Wharton years coincide with a guy named Calvin Hill running ramshod over opponents of all calibers climaxed by the 1968 29-29 tie between Harvard and Yale? And in 1968, Penn went 7-2, finishing right behind those two, in an era where Penn still got pretty decent crowds to Franklin Field.

Trump, of course, never was around for games as he reportedly went up to New York virtually every weekend. It was his choice not to have a college football experience. Not that that has anything to do with whether they should be playing football when campuses themselves are closed down.

 
Streamers 
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08-11-20 01:54 PM - Post#311394    
    In response to palestra38

I would argue he didn't have of a Penn experience either over just two years of avoiding campus (and likely classrooms) as much as possible.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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09-11-20 09:33 AM - Post#313174    
    In response to Streamers

Remember when we were wondering about the collateral impacts of bringing students back?
NYT's article shows increasing 7 day average of new cases in counties with colleges and another graph I saw shows same in college towns while those without colleges are dropping. No uptick in deaths yet.

Anyone have any Ivy anecdotes?

 
palestra38 
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09-11-20 09:55 AM - Post#313176    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

My guess is that when the infected students go into classes the death rate will tick up. I don't know what they were thinking at especially the big public universities where it is impossible to monitor or control student behavior---18-21 year olds feel impregnable and are going to party and have fun.

 
palestra38 
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09-11-20 10:09 AM - Post#313178    
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https://apnews.com/3e97872bf3cd869706401 4efcf2ec62...

 
rbg 
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09-11-20 11:42 AM - Post#313185    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Ivy COVID-19 Dashboards

Brown:
https://healthy.brown.edu/testing-tracing/dashb oar...

Columbia:
https://covid19.columbia.edu/

Cornell:
https://covid.cornell.edu/testing/dashboard/

Dartmouth:
https://news.dartmouth.edu/covid-19/academic-yea r-...

Harvard:
https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/harvard-u niver...

Penn:
https://coronavirus.upenn.edu/content/dashboard

Princeton:
Cannot find an actual dashboard
https://www.princeton.edu/content/covid-19-coro nav...

Yale:
https://covid19.yale.edu/yale-statistics


 
rbg 
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09-11-20 12:13 PM - Post#313188    
    In response to rbg

Brown
Will be returning more students next week and resuming classes in early October
https://www.browndailyherald.com/2020/09/10/brown-...

- The decision was influenced by improvements in Rhode Island’s public health situation, low positivity rates from Brown’s COVID-19 testing program and low demand for isolation and quarantine rooms at the University, President Christina Paxson P’19 wrote in a Thursday community email announcing the reopening. -

- About 900 undergraduates who have not yet returned to Brown could move back to Providence between Sept. 18 and 20, with some in-person instruction set to start Oct. 5. -

Cornell
Cornell has the most ambitious mitigation/testing program and has brought the largest number of students back.
There have been some glitches in the testing program, but overall seems to be good.
The dashboard was not updated through the Labor Day weekend, which did not go well with the campus and community.
Late last week, the school moved from its low "green" risk category to low-to-moderate "yellow" due to two clusters. There were 36 student athletes in those groups.

https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/03/cornell-ti cks-up...

The school originally said it would go remote if there were 250 active cases on campus, but Governor Cuomo announced that any NY college or university would go remote if there were active cases of 100+ or 55 of total on-campus population (whichever is less) in a 14 day period.

The number of on-campus cases is determined by students in dorms + off-campus students who have at least 1 class or lab on-campus + staff that works on-campus. The 14 day clock started the day that classes officially began (9/2 for Cornell).

As of 9/9, Cornell sits at 42 active cases in the Cuomo-metric.

Penn:
School was going to stop asymptomatic testing this weekend and move to symptomatic/surveillance testing. Students petitioned to have asymptomatic testing extended throughout the semester.

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/09/gatew ay-asym...

Last night, the DP reported that the school changed course and will continue asymptomatic testing throughout the semester. From the info in the article, it is hard to see how the changes are different than Penn's previously planned protocol.

Also, there will be a new protocol for specific communal groups (Greek Life, off-campus Greek affiliated organizations, athletics, and student organizations known to live in common houses).

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/09/penn- greek-l...

- The second email, which will be sent to students in Greek Life, off-campus Greek affiliated organizations, athletics, and student organizations known to live in common houses, has been written in conjunction with the Philadelphia Department of Public Health to help these groups lessen and contain and reduce the virus's spread.

A memo written by Philadelphia Health Commissioner Thomas Farley will be apart of the email. The memo, titled "Alert — COVID-19 Transmission among Greek Organization Members and Affiliates," was written in response to a large number of positive cases in Greek Life organizations at Penn, Temple University, and other Philadelphia-area colleges, Director of Digital Public Health Jim Garrow said in the interview with the DP.

Halbritter declined to specify the exact group or college, but said in one Philadelphia Greek house, 39% of residents tested positive for the virus.

"This memo is meant to be a targeted communication to students in Greek Life, but it applies to other students as well," Garrow said. "We are recommending that students living in large households remain in their homes." -

Yale
Moved from its low risk "green" category to low-to-moderate "yellow" category. I cannot find any information why this was done.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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09-11-20 03:41 PM - Post#313202    
    In response to rbg

Thanks for the thorough and very useful response. Glad to see the early results.

 
Old Bear 
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09-11-20 04:58 PM - Post#313205    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Brown Will not have a freshman on campus until the second trimester.

 
rbg 
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09-18-20 12:22 AM - Post#313573    
    In response to Old Bear

Brown:
https://healthy.brown.edu/testing-tracing/dashb oar...

9/10-0/16? - asymptomatic tests - 2 confirmed positive; 7,660 tests

https://www.browndailyherald.com/2020/09/17/compar...

- While this rate has been lower than that of some other academic institutions across the country, the University must stay vigilant, said Dean of the School of Public Health Ashish Jha, a public health expert and advisor on the COVID-19 pandemic. The current low positivity rates are “really important because you want to start at a low baseline,” said Jha. But he doesn’t “expect us to stay that low.”

“Right now things are looking great, but we’re in the early days,” Jha said. “We haven’t really started (in-person) classes, so we haven’t had enough people back yet” to have the numbers reflect the impending in-person dynamic. -

Columbia:
https://covid19.columbia.edu/

Campus Results
Week of September 7 - 0 positive results; 3,579 tests

Cornell:
https://covid.cornell.edu/testing/dashboard/

9/10-9/16
14 positive tests; .04% positivity rate
4 on-campus positive cases
1 positive case over last four days

https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/16/cornell-re turns-...

- After 13 days at the yellow alert level, Cornell has returned to its “new normal” as it reported zero new cases for two days straight and only three confirmed on-campus positives since Sept. 12.

In a Wednesday email to the Cornell community, Provost Mike Kotlikoff and Vice President for Student and Campus Life Ryan Lombardi lauded the efforts of students, faculty and staff in containing the spread when announcing the shift to green.

“Our positivity rate remains low, and our program for surveillance testing has succeeded in providing early identification of cases — the majority of which have been asymptomatic,” the two wrote.

The change is indicative of low prevalence and controlled transmission among the campus community. After the move to the yellow alert level, the frequency of testing for some groups — such as student athletes — was increased, and the capacity of on-campus spaces was reduced. -

Dartmouth:
Week of 9/13 - 2 positive; 2,765 tests
65 in quarantine; 11 in isolation

https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2020/09/on-ca ...

- Despite long lines, testing delays and undetected outbreaks at other colleges nationwide, Dartmouth’s comprehensive COVID-19 testing has so far gone as planned, in an effort to help keep the virus contained on campus.

As of Wednesday, Dartmouth’s online dashboard reported that Dartmouth had seen just two positive COVID-19 tests out of the 8,048 performed on 5,254 students, faculty and staff at testing sites on campus.

“It’s really been an amazingly seamless process,” said Dick’s House office manager Pam Holbrook, who serves as site operations manager for the testing location.

Most graduate students have been tested upon arrival in the Upper Valley, many earlier in the summer. Students began arriving on campus for the fall term on Sept. 7 and were tested on the day they arrive — “day zero” — as well as three and seven days afterward.-

Harvard:
https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/harvard-u niver...

9/10-9/16 - 11 positive cases; 11,650 tests
12 in isolation, 31 in quarantine

Penn:
https://coronavirus.upenn.edu/content/dashboard
9/6-9/12 - 76 positive cases; 3,029 tests; 2.51% positivity rate

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/09/penn- covid19...

- The weekly COVID-19 case count at Penn spiked considerably last week with 76 positive cases, nearly tripling the previous week's numbers of 26.

The University reported 76 positive cases for the week ending in Sept. 12 — the highest weekly case count so far this semester — after reporting only 26 cases for the week ending in Sept. 5. The weekly positivity rate also jumped from 0.66% to 2.51%, nearly quadrupling. The week before classes began saw the second highest weekly case count and positivity rate at 33 and 0.85%, respectively.

Chief Wellness Officer Benoit Dubé wrote in an email to The Daily Pennsylvanian that contact tracers have identified and isolated the source of the rise in positive cases last week.

"The positivity rate uptick was driven mostly by 3 groups of students in shared community circles," he wrote. "Appropriate isolation and quarantine recommendations have been implemented and we are continuing to monitor the situation.” -

Princeton:
?

Yale:
https://covid19.yale.edu/yale-statistics

9/9-9.15 - 3 positive tests; 6,050 people tested; 9.321 total tests
99% isolation space available
Yellow Alert Level: Low-to-Moderate Risk

 
rbg 
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09-23-20 11:39 AM - Post#313884    
    In response to rbg

Some Harvard & Yale staff have evaluated COVID dashboards across the country and created a rating system.

https://www.ratecoviddashboard.com/

You can find reviews for each school and a link to their dashboards from the site.

They updated its Ivy League ratings:
https://twitter.com/CovidDashboards/statu s/1308545...

Brown
Rating: A
Easy to read. Updated Daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; cross-sectional city and county data; testing frequency; summary of institutions;
Rated on 9/14/20

Columbia
Rating: B+
Easy to read. Not updated daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; city and county data trends; testing frequency;
Rated on 9/21/20

Cornell
Rating: A-
Easy to read. Updated Daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; test result time; summary of institutions;
Rated on 9/21/20

Dartmouth
Rating: B+
Easy to read. Updated Daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; the number of students in isolation or quarantine status;
Rated on 9/17/20

(Original Review)
Rating: B
Easy to read. Not updated daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; the number of students in isolation or quarantine status;
Rated on 9/15/20

Harvard
Rating: A
Easy to read. Updated Daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; cross-sectional city and county data; testing frequency; test result time; the number of students in isolation or quarantine status;
Rated on 9/14/20

Penn
Rating: C+
Easy to read. Not updated daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests;
Rated on 9/21/20

Princeton
Rating: F
No Dashboard
Rated on 9/21/20

Yale
Rating: A
Easy to read. Updated Daily; data with positive cases and total number of tests; student and employee data separately; city and county data trends; summary of institutions;
Rated on 9/21/20


 
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