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BisonRoadWarrior 
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10-01-20 12:42 PM - Post#314367    

"The Patriot League is expected to cancel its non-conference games in November and December and begin an 18-game league only schedule on Jan. 1st, according to multiple sources source with direct knowledge of the situation."

https://collegehoopstoday .com/index.php/rothstein-...

 
Bison137 
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10-01-20 01:06 PM - Post#314368    
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Bad decision, but not surprising. According to several sources, a number of PL teams wanted to play out of conference games but the league could not get together on a single policy. One problem, I think, is that the head of the Presidents Council is Lafayette’s president, who seemingly is anti-athletics and probably also very defensive over her blunderi in not reopening Lafayette for first semester.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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10-01-20 01:11 PM - Post#314369    
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Why would the league insist that all schools have the same approach regarding non-league play?

 
Bison137 
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10-01-20 02:14 PM - Post#314377    
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Stupidity. A few presidents seem to have the misguided idea that every school should be locked into the same policy. School such as Army and Navy must be furious.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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10-01-20 03:04 PM - Post#314381    
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Do you have a sense of what Bucknell's stance is?

 
Bison89 
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10-01-20 03:20 PM - Post#314382    
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It would not surprise me if the Academies get a waiver allowing them to play nonconference games. They are typically treated differently.
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RichH 
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10-01-20 04:05 PM - Post#314386    
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Do not understand the rationale for this plan. Individual plans may have been different but so what. COVID may be the excuse but it doesnt serve as a reason to eliminate all OOC games. I hope the Council reassesses this plan

 
jkrun80 
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10-01-20 07:01 PM - Post#314405    
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Yes, it seems this decision should be up to individual schools, not to the league as a whole. I know Lehigh just suspended all varsity sports practice due to COVID exposure. But every school's situation is different. Bucknell has zero active cases right now.

 
Bison137 
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10-01-20 07:05 PM - Post#314407    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
Yes, it seems this decision should be up to individual schools, not to the league as a whole. I know Lehigh just suspended all varsity sports practice due to COVID exposure. But every school's situation is different. Bucknell has zero active cases right now.




Yes. It seems like Lafayette’s president wants to punish all of the other league schools for her own incompetence. Unfortunately it seems like every one just wants to get along, as opposed to standing up for what is fair. Letting each school make its own decision would be fair.




 
DrBison 
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10-01-20 07:52 PM - Post#314412    
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Yes. Bucknell has done a great job so far, and this includes student athletes. And their reward, not being able to play the sports they love. If I was a PL student athlete or recruit, I would be looking at going where I know I can play. Time for the powers to be at BU to show some confidence and trust, grow a set, and let the student athletes play! Follow strict protocols and if cases develop, then shut it down. Why do we have to follow in lock step the Ivies and others?

 
jkrun80 
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10-02-20 06:46 PM - Post#314518    
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Especially unfair if they exempt Army and Navy as they did with fall sports.

 
Bison137 
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10-02-20 08:03 PM - Post#314520    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
Especially unfair if they exempt Army and Navy as they did with fall sports.




Agree 100%.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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10-02-20 10:33 PM - Post#314524    
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Did the Army/Navy exemption go beyond football?

 
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10-03-20 08:36 AM - Post#314526    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Did the Army/Navy exemption go beyond football?




Yes. Both of them are playing abbreviated schedules in soccer and cross country, both men and women.

The people who run those institutions have shown a lot more brains and a lot more intestinal fortitude on this issue than the other patriot league presidents have. That assumes that all of the reports are accurate. When it comes to playing out of conference basketball games, there is no reason not to let each school decide for itself - especially given that there will be virtually no students or staff on campus during that entire period. It is easy to develop an abbreviated schedule against local teams and then cancel later if there are Covid issues. That is what 31 D1 leagues are doing.

By the way, Bucknell has now gone 19 consecutive days with no positive Covid tests. They continue to test extensively. I am sure that streak won’t last forever, but hopefully they can continue to limit the number. Colgate, Boston U, Army, and Navy also have very low rates.





 
DrBison 
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10-03-20 04:38 PM - Post#314530    
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Totally agree 137. The lack of intestinal fortitude by leadership is very obvious. The student body as well as the student athletes at BU and other PL institutions have done a great job so far following the guidelines. To tell them they can’t compete in athletics is basically telling them we have no confidence or trust in you. Great example to set for young people.

Obviously if things go south, as well they may, adjust accordingly. But to go against the NCAA guidelines is elitist. Again, we are following the Ivies like lost sheep. Also assume we are afraid of liability, which is sad. Show some leadership and say “we can do this”!

Really feel bad for the student athletes, coaches, and athletic staff.

 
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10-04-20 03:27 PM - Post#314533    
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Laf's president was the driving force behind this decision.

 
Bison137 
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10-04-20 05:08 PM - Post#314534    
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  • JPM Said:
Laf's president was the driving force behind this decision.




Yes, I think that is the case. She is anti-athletics and also under fire for having kept Lafayette shut down when schools such as Bucknell and Colgate have opened successfully.




 
DrBison 
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10-04-20 05:28 PM - Post#314535    
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So that means the Laf. President dictates the policy to the whole PL, except Army and Navy? Really sad and pathetic if true! Step up other school coaches and ADs.

 
HuskyColonial 
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10-04-20 07:58 PM - Post#314540    
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Politics. This is partisan politics impacting sports.

 
JimK_LU72 
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Report: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-04-20 08:05 PM - Post#314541    
    In response to DrBison

Several years ago there was discussion by Lafayette admins and/or faculty about dropping to D3. Apparently a large noise from older influential alumni (donors) eventually ended that talk. Must be tough to be a sports oriented Lafayette alum with this gal at the helm.

Student acquisition in this environment seems tougher every year. An interesting discussion would be the marketing value of a D1 program (versus D3) for Patriot League institutions.

Excluding the academies of course.



Edited by JimK_LU72 on 10-04-20 08:06 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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