MangyOne
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Loc: Rochester, NY Metro Area
Reg: 12-28-09
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10-07-20 05:17 PM - Post#314634
In response to JimK_LU72
Interesting that it has been announced the President @ Lafayette is stepping down at the end of the school year. Could there be a reason not being told to us?
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BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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Loc: Where the Bison Roam
Reg: 08-16-06
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10-15-20 02:12 PM - Post#314932
In response to JimK_LU72
It's been two weeks since prominent sports journalists reported the league was expected to ban non-conference play, but still no league announcement.
Do you think this issue is still in play?
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Bison137
Professor
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Reg: 01-23-06
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10-15-20 02:51 PM - Post#314943
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
It's been two weeks since prominent sports journalists reported the league was expected to ban non-conference play, but still no league announcement.
Do you think this issue is still in play?
Possibly and hopefully. I am sure there was pushback from Army and Navy. Maybe from some of the others. Would like to think Bucknell was one, but I think Bravman rarely wants to make waves. The fact that the leader of the Presidents' Council, Alyson Byerly of Lafayette, has announced she is leaving, possibly under duress, may undermine her leadership. She is a strong opponent of athletics.
It makes no sense for the league to pass any rule governing whether or not a school can play OOC games - especially with school not in session. If safety is the concern, simply ban OOC games for ten days before the first PL game.
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KenZ
Postdoc
Posts: 2777
Reg: 01-23-06
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10-15-20 03:13 PM - Post#314944
In response to Bison137
agree, and while if as speculate, Byerly and maybe one other are against, i have just as much problem with our leadership if we simply roll over. if Army and Navy are granted exemptions, but no one else, i have a huge problem with that. yes they are different, but every school is different and as B137 says, each school should be able to make the best decision for itself on that aspect of the season.
with revised academic schedule, the school will on break from the conclusion of exams in early December through the end of January.
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Bison137
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Report: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-15-20 06:25 PM - Post#314967
In response to KenZ
with revised academic schedule, the school will on break from the conclusion of exams in early December through the end of January.
Actually longer than that. Students leave the week before Thanksgiving and don't come back. Final exams are all online and final papers are submitted electronically. So the final day on campus is November 20th. Finals end December 7th.
First day of class second semester is Monday February 1st. That's ten weeks with almost no students on campus.
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Bison137
Professor
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10-15-20 06:34 PM - Post#314968
In response to Bison137
Btw, Bucknell has had 19 cases of covid in two months. They have conducted about 30,500 tests, so the positivity rate has been 06%. Only one case in the past 30 days.
I know things can go bad quickly when it comes to something like covid, but the Bucknell community deserves a lot of credit for keeping it under control. I am sure behavior hasn't always been perfect, but it clearly has been a lot better than on many campuses. And Dr. Bravman and those who worked with him deserve a lot of credit for devising and executing a good plan. Now if he could only execute a good plan when it comes to athletics.
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DrBison
Junior
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Age: 73
Reg: 12-22-08
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10-15-20 07:14 PM - Post#314969
In response to Bison137
Totally agree. Show the student athletes you have confidence and trust in them, and give them a chance to play.
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bison234
Sophomore
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Age: 56
Reg: 06-04-08
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10-16-20 07:47 AM - Post#314975
In response to DrBison
Maybe I am being too cynical but this seems to be the PL allowing the minimum risk simply to ensure that a team is eligible for the NCAA tournament. Without a team in the tourney, the PL does not get their check and therefore the majority of their revenue for the year. Allowing teams to play non-conference games is only a negative in the eyes of the league office because they see no good coming from it. This decision indicates to me that the league only has themselves in mind, not the student athletes/staffs.
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jkrun80
Postdoc
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Age: 65
Reg: 05-07-12
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Report: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-17-20 08:05 AM - Post#315002
In response to Bison137
Btw, Bucknell has had 19 cases of covid in two months. They have conducted about 30,500 tests, so the positivity rate has been 06%. Only one case in the past 30 days.
I know things can go bad quickly when it comes to something like covid, but the Bucknell community deserves a lot of credit for keeping it under control. I am sure behavior hasn't always been perfect, but it clearly has been a lot better than on many campuses. And Dr. Bravman and those who worked with him deserve a lot of credit for devising and executing a good plan. Now if he could only execute a good plan when it comes to athletics.
There have been no student cases in the last 4 weeks. The students have been excellent and the athletes especially are taking this very seriously. https://www.bucknell.edu/life-bucknell/fall-re open...
BTW Bravman did not even want to reopen the fitness center this fall. Athletics convinced him 1.) the opportunity to exercise was important to the health of the students and 2.) it could be done safely. They have been proven right. Hopefully they can convince him that the same can be done with varsity athletics.
Edited by jkrun80 on 10-17-20 08:06 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison89
Professor
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Loc: Philadelphia
Reg: 11-14-07
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Re: port: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-20-20 02:51 PM - Post#315144
In response to Bison137
with revised academic schedule, the school will on break from the conclusion of exams in early December through the end of January.
Actually longer than that. Students leave the week before Thanksgiving and don't come back. Final exams are all online and final papers are submitted electronically. So the final day on campus is November 20th. Finals end December 7th.
First day of class second semester is Monday February 1st. That's ten weeks with almost no students on campus.
Who is old enough to remember the Bucknell Jan Plan? I did the Jan Plan Sophomore and Junior years. Wow, what a great time!!!
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bison75
Masters Student
Posts: 487
Reg: 01-26-06
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Re: port: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-20-20 03:12 PM - Post#315146
In response to Bison89
I took the “know your car†Jan Plan. 😀
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Bison89
Professor
Posts: 5370
Loc: Philadelphia
Reg: 11-14-07
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Re: port: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-20-20 03:43 PM - Post#315148
In response to bison75
I took the “know your car†Jan Plan. 😀
Bison75, please explain. Are you talking about roadtrips most of the month?
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BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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Reg: 08-16-06
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Report: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-20-20 07:53 PM - Post#315154
In response to Bison89
I'm guessing it was a course on basic automotive knowledge. If so, I bet it was one of the classes that has had the longest-term benefit of any he took! I could've used that.
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bison75
Masters Student
Posts: 487
Reg: 01-26-06
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10-20-20 08:10 PM - Post#315155
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Correct, BRW. There was one field trip to a dealership in Williamsport. Let’s just say the course didn’t eat into my gym time. Lots of pickup hoops at Davis.
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Bison89
Professor
Posts: 5370
Loc: Philadelphia
Reg: 11-14-07
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10-21-20 11:36 AM - Post#315164
In response to bison75
Nice! I took Black & White Photography, which was lots of fun. Then, another year, I took The Vietnam War CBS Series, which was VERY intense but informative. Of course, I attended lots of hoops games and had a beer or two.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
Masters Student
Posts: 548
Loc: Bloomsburg
Reg: 11-12-15
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10-21-20 03:40 PM - Post#315170
In response to JimK_LU72
Looks like Navy will still be hosting and playing in the Veteran’s Classic in November.
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Bison137
Professor
Posts: 16147
Reg: 01-23-06
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10-21-20 03:50 PM - Post#315171
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
Looks like Navy will still be hosting and playing in the Veteran’s Classic in November.
That doesn’t surprise me. There was little chance that army or navy would bow down to some weak-willed patriot league presidents who wanted a one size fits all approach, even though there was no reason for it. Hopefully other schools will follow suit. If Covid later becomes an issue on patriot league campuses, games can always be canceled.
Bucknell, by the way, has had only one positive test result in over 35 days. They continue to test everyone frequently.
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BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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10-22-20 12:05 AM - Post#315198
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
Looks like Navy will still be hosting and playing in the Veteran’s Classic in November.
Source?
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Bison137
Professor
Posts: 16147
Reg: 01-23-06
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10-22-20 12:13 AM - Post#315199
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Looks like Navy will still be hosting and playing in the Veteran’s Classic in November.
Source?
https://navysports.com/news/2020/10/21/mens- basket...
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Bison137
Professor
Posts: 16147
Reg: 01-23-06
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Report: No Nonconference Play for Patriot League
10-30-20 10:47 AM - Post#315704
In response to Bison137
An article in the Worcester paper, based on comments from the HC AC, clarified what a PL schedule will look like:
1. No OOC games - EXCEPT FOR ARMY AND NAVY.
2. No info about PL tournament.
3. More of a regional schedule - but no info on what that means.
4. Probably no fans at any HC games. Doesn't say if that is league policy.
To me this is not unexpected, but I think it is stupid. As mentioned before, there is no reason not to let each school decide about OOC play. Just insist on a 10-day quarantine period prior to the first league game. There are no students on campus between November 21st and the end of January, so that is an ideal time to be scheduling games. It it's OK for Army and Navy, it should be OK for each school.
Excerpts from the article:
"The Holy Cross men’s and women’s basketball teams won’t play any non-conference games in 2020-21, and the Patriot League is expected to release the upcoming season schedule, that is slated to begin after Jan. 1, soon.
“It’s close,†Holy Cross director of athletics Marcus Blossom said Thursday, “but it’s not complete.â€
Blossom said there will be no non-conference play for any Patriot League members except Army and Navy. He expects the schedules for both Holy Cross teams to be more regional, with HC playing more games against teams that are closer geographically.
The Crusaders began practicing Oct. 15.
“They’re working very hard, both the men’s and women’s programs,†Blossom said. “Obviously, they would have liked to have played non-conference games beginning Nov. 25 as the coaches and myself would have liked them to have that opportunity, but that’s not the case and we’re trying to focus on what we have in front of us and put our teams in the best position possible to succeed in whatever we have in front of us.â€
Blossom said he does not expect to have fans at Holy Cross home games, and among the COVID protocols, will be increasing testing for all winter student-athletes who are competing from twice a week to three times a week."
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