Penndemonium
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 12:42 PM - Post#322121
In response to Jeff2sf
To be clear, you were advocating that higher risk category people hang out and hug since being outdoors and partially vaccinated is perfectly safe. Not only that, you called wearing masks outdoors in those circumstances "dumb" and hygiene theater. I'm not arguing whether about the risk of the health issues. I'm just arguing that you were an over-the-line troll, and you could keep it to yourself or let it rest after sharing your opinion. And now I'm arguing you are revisionist.
As a side note, Mike Lee was bear hugging, sweating, and breathing directly on every person at that ceremony. He has not been named, but he seems like a higher probability link in the chain of that event.
there was a large indoor component despite being called "the rose garden event".
https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2 1499923/t...
but also to be clear, I'm not advocating anyone hang out in seats that close, let alone maskless, for an hour. seems unlikely that many of us are being invited to those sorts of ceremonies on the reg though.
Edited by Penndemonium on 03-16-21 01:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 01:08 PM - Post#322124
In response to Penndemonium
yes i was advocating that vaccinated people (3 adults in the clear, one that would be one week post shot) could hang out outside with their kids. Any non-genius knows that's perfectly safe. stop prolonging this. I'm right. I won't yield.
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Penndemonium
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This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 01:27 PM - Post#322125
In response to Jeff2sf
Remember, I didn't say you were right or wrong. I only said you were being a troll.
Were you born right or did you become that way? How did you become so blessed?
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 01:52 PM - Post#322126
In response to Penndemonium
you keep saying that about the troll thing and then you start talking about the merits of what i'm advocating and talking about covid. So like i said, every single time you write, I'm going to reply. That's happening. If you're cool with it, I'm fine with it. I'm happy to highlight PN's foolhardy hygiene theater.
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penn nation
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:04 PM - Post#322132
In response to Jeff2sf
There are some items where I'm not comfortable enough with a 95% confidence level, nor are you or anyone else. There are even some items where even a 99% confidence level doesn't do it, either for me, you or anyone else.
For me, coming down with COVID is something I'd rather not risk, thank you very much, given my comorbidities. For others like you, you can afford to have some leeway.
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Penndemonium
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:17 PM - Post#322134
In response to Jeff2sf
You're the best troll we've had since BRF, although the difference is that he was actually right about something.
Let's carry on - it's been your general approach anyway on all topics. Good for you. Are you a litigator in life or else someone who never gets to have the lost word in an argument except on this board?
you keep saying that about the troll thing and then you start talking about the merits of what i'm advocating and talking about covid. So like i said, every single time you write, I'm going to reply. That's happening. If you're cool with it, I'm fine with it. I'm happy to highlight PN's foolhardy hygiene theater.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-16-21 03:37 PM - Post#322135
In response to Penndemonium
On 60 Minutes this past Sunday, a medical expert showed why current vaccines may not provide protection against variants. Since variants appear to be never ending, I personally will be wearing masks outside for a while. So are >90% of those I pass in NYC every day.
Fortunately, current vaccines appear to provide good protection against the most common variant (B.1.1.7). Very important as this variant is expected to become the most common form of the virus and has a 64% higher fatality rate then the common COVID-19. For those eschewing the vaccine, they do so despite being warned of higher contagiousness and fatality rates.
It's discoveries like these that lead me to fear and respect that which we don't yet know.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:46 PM - Post#322136
In response to Penndemonium
You're the best troll we've had since BRF, although the difference is that he was actually right about something.
that's both hurtful and untrue.
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OldBig5
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:47 PM - Post#322137
In response to Jeff2sf
You're the best troll we've had since BRF, although the difference is that he was actually right about something.
that's both hurtful and untrue.
Internet theatre.
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Jeff2sf
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03-16-21 03:48 PM - Post#322138
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
On 60 Minutes this past Sunday, a medical expert showed why current vaccines may not provide protection against variants. Since variants appear to be never ending, I personally will be wearing masks outside for a while. So are >90% of those I pass in NYC every day.
Fortunately, current vaccines appear to provide good protection against the most common variant (B.1.1.7). Very important as this variant is expected to become the most common form of the virus and has a 64% higher fatality rate then the common COVID-19. For those eschewing the vaccine, they do so despite being warned of higher contagiousness and fatality rates.
It's discoveries like these that lead me to fear and respect that which we don't yet know.
serious question, have you considered that they are just trying to scare you? we don't know what variants are coming along, but the thing is, you never had 100% safety in anything you've ever done.
i fear COVID... unvaccinated. I fear COVID... indoors. But otherwise, bud, you have to live your life. I can't give you 100% assurances about anything.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:49 PM - Post#322139
In response to penn nation
There are some items where I'm not comfortable enough with a 95% confidence level, nor are you or anyone else. There are even some items where even a 99% confidence level doesn't do it, either for me, you or anyone else.
For me, coming down with COVID is something I'd rather not risk, thank you very much, given my comorbidities. For others like you, you can afford to have some leeway.
it's not 99%. the chance that you could get covid from three vaccinated adults outdoors when you already have had your 2nd shot for at least a few days is vanishingly small. it's certainly much smaller than you're kids getting it on a crowded plane for 8 hours.
Edited by Jeff2sf on 03-16-21 03:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:55 PM - Post#322141
In response to Jeff2sf
2 of those vaccinated adults will have flown in from Florida only a few days earlier, with no testing requirements whatsoever for anyone on the flight. Who knows what they might be transmitting to others when in our neck of the woods.
On the international flight for my boys, they and their classmates will all be tested twice, once 12 days before and once 2 days before. If they don't pass both tests they will not be allowed on the flight, period.
Edited by penn nation on 03-16-21 03:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 03:58 PM - Post#322142
In response to Jeff2sf
No, I don't think that leading scientists and medical experts are "trying to scare" me. I do think that they are trying to inform me. By the way, the flu vaccine doesn't work against all variants either.
Let me guess, do you think that >97% of scientists are merely "trying to scare" me about climate change?
I believe I already know the answer to that.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-16-21 03:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 04:00 PM - Post#322143
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
No, not at all. climate change is real and needs to be addressed.
You all really struggle with a person who isn't an anti-masker covid denier. It's very tough to put me in the box you want to.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 04:04 PM - Post#322144
In response to penn nation
that risk (that unvaccinated people could test neg and either contract later and/or already have it and false neg) is much higher.
they aren't transmitting anything to you.
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Penndemonium
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 04:59 PM - Post#322152
In response to Jeff2sf
As much as the Penn fans wanted to deny it, he was right when he predicted the rise of Cornell. We called him a troll though he was seeing a few years ahead of us. You? The Darnell Foreman team? Rob Belcore? Many long treatises from you about those topic.
Did you receive lots of rewards and compliments when you were younger or very few? Just curious.
You're the best troll we've had since BRF, although the difference is that he was actually right about something.
that's both hurtful and untrue.
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penn nation
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 05:01 PM - Post#322153
In response to Jeff2sf
they aren't transmitting anything to you.
It's not clear what the risk is on this point, at least to date. Reduced risk, yes, but hardly zero:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/health/cor onavi...
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Jeff2sf
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Re: This proves that Covid can be managed at Universities
03-16-21 05:05 PM - Post#322155
In response to Penndemonium
As much as the Penn fans wanted to deny it, he was right when he predicted the rise of Cornell. We called him a troll though he was seeing a few years ahead of us. You? The Darnell Foreman team? Rob Belcore? Many long treatises from you about those topic.
Did you receive lots of rewards and compliments when you were younger or very few? Just curious.
You're the best troll we've had since BRF, although the difference is that he was actually right about something.
that's both hurtful and untrue.
if you predict something every year for 10 years, you have a chance of being right, yes.
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Penndemonium
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03-16-21 05:44 PM - Post#322159
In response to Jeff2sf
BRF always had to have the last word too, so now I'm finally ready to hand the mic to you to close.
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Jeff2sf
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03-16-21 06:54 PM - Post#322170
In response to Penndemonium
i told you, you would not win. Much like Cornell most of the time.
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