SRP
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11-14-21 04:15 AM - Post#328388
We were all primed to think the league would be way behiind after a year in hibernation and so many studs graduating or transferring out. Now I am visualizing some coaches from other leagues bemoaning the lack of recent video for scouting purposes. Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, and Yale all coming up big in the first week was not what I was expecting.
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mbaprof
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Re: Who are these guys?
11-14-21 08:42 AM - Post#328390
In response to SRP
I watched the Harvard Iona game and even as a PENN fan it was a pleasure to see them take it to Rick and the Gaels. The Iona announcers (who i thought were excellent) couldnt praise them enough for how they played off the layoff.
I didnt see the Dartmouth game but we all know Brendan Barry takes after his cousins and can shoot, now a 6th? Year 24 year old playing against 18 year olds.
Will be interesting to see how the sports books pick up on this in the balance of ooc play, been good so far!
Quakers badly need a W today and Tuesday.
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whitakk
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11-14-21 11:19 AM - Post#328392
In response to mbaprof
Football teams went 17-7 OOC, women's soccer 40-23-8, with multiple nationally ranked teams in each. Other fall sports were more of a mixed bag but it's still been pretty remarkable how little impact the year off had.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-14-21 11:36 AM - Post#328394
In response to whitakk
Teams like Yale had players take a year off so that roster has 5 recruiting classes (sans Atkinson) and Brown and Dartmouth certainly picked up a key transfer. Possibly Columbia and Penn as well.
For some reason, when I look at the top 5 rosters, I see strength. Dartmouth with Barry, Samuels and Rai will win games.
Penn and Harvard will get much better. Penn has too much talent and depth, and Harvard is currently playing without any of it's tallest 5 rotation players. With Catchings limited to 10 minutes due to fouls, Iona should have destroyed Harvard which played Ledlum and 7 guards - but didn't.
All KenPom ratings should continue to trend upwards.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-14-21 02:59 PM - Post#328404
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Lack of size the Ivy Achilles heel as Seton Hall overwhelms Yale. Brown has the best front court in the league. No one else really close, yet.
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whitakk
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11-15-21 09:17 AM - Post#328576
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Given the long layoff it's also sort of remarkable how few surprises there have been in who's taking the shots, at least among teams with key returnees. Penn is the Dingle show, Yale is Swain-Gabbidon-Cotton, Harvard is "Kirkwood and Ledlum and hope for bedlam," Princeton is Llewellyin's show in crunch time although Evbuomwan and Langborg are mild breakouts so far. (Brown is a bit of an exception here.)
With two years of incoming players and development I would have expected less predictability, but even in a small sample your All-Ivy teams today would be basically the guys everyone predicted going in.
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SomeGuy
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11-15-21 10:32 AM - Post#328578
In response to whitakk
Cornell is the other one where I didn’t have a great read. Manon seems like a big newcomer thus far.
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penn nation
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Who are these guys?
11-15-21 12:41 PM - Post#328580
In response to SomeGuy
I'm just happy we can have threads about actual Ivy basketball teams and recent games they have played!
Edited by penn nation on 11-15-21 12:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Old Bear
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11-16-21 10:17 PM - Post#328672
In response to penn nation
The IVs went 5-0 tonight. Some good wins and a couple of Patsys. Cornell big Colgate.
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penn nation
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11-17-21 10:16 PM - Post#328822
In response to Old Bear
Another perfect night tonight (3-0) from the IL.
Princeton with an easy win at home vs. a clueless Marist squad and an even more clueless Marist coach.
Columbia looked down and out--down 16 with a bit more than 6 minutes to play at home vs. Binghamton.
Massive comeback led to OT where they easily dominated and won by 8.
Harvard survived a comeback at UAlbany, which managed to tie it up late. Key play came late when Kirkwood appeared to lose the ball out of bounds but the referee called it Harvard ball. No-one seemed to protest on court, and it led to Harvard retaking the lead with a big 3, a lead that they would never relinquish.
Even OOC, George Mason, which had beaten Penn, upset #20 Maryland--at Maryland. So good news there as well.
Edited by penn nation on 11-17-21 10:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Naismith
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Re: Who are these guys?
11-27-21 06:58 PM - Post#329881
In response to penn nation
Actually, Lunardi Bracketology has a cold hard reality at the moment. Yale a 16-seed with a play-in game. The year-off is what many feared. Plenty of time for one or two teams to step up however. Which teams at this point is anyone's guess.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Who are these guys?
11-27-21 09:02 PM - Post#329891
In response to Naismith
I'm not particularly buying that, honestly - the Ivy League is a much better league analytics-wise (both now and probably going forward as the teams improve) than a lot of others.
For example, the Ivy League is currently 19th out of 32 in KenPom. That leaves 13 leagues worse than ours, which means that the champions of those leagues will tend to get hurt more by their inevitable conference losses than ours will. (The league's KP rankings, top to bottom, do currently look a lot like they did in 2017-18, when Penn got a 16, which I'll admit is a touch concerning.)
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penn nation
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Re: Who are these guys?
11-27-21 09:38 PM - Post#329894
In response to iogyhufi
That said, by some accounts Penn was the strongest 16 seed in tourney history and was probably underseeded.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Who are these guys?
11-28-21 11:08 AM - Post#329917
In response to iogyhufi
As usual, though, I suspect that Pomeroy rating is still based on a lot of stuff that isn’t this year. As the old information gets replaced, the Ivies could move up if teams continue to play well. I suspect Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth are all held back by where they started the season. Not sure about Yale.
Mike James historically was able to give some info on this (isolate what the rating would be based purely on this year).
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-28-21 12:16 PM - Post#329924
In response to SomeGuy
The Team Rankings site appears to be largely based only on this season’s play:
110. Yale
114. Princeton
150. Harvard
185. Cornell
221. Penn
238. Brown
243. Dartmouth
327. Columbia
There are some that are only based on this season’s play though.
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Ever True
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11-28-21 01:37 PM - Post#329935
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Mike posted some tweets about this recently! If you're reading this, hope you're well, Mike.
"Updated current national rankings (again, no pre-season weighting):
PRIN - 99
YALE - 102
HARV - 117
CORN - 136
DART - 189
BRWN - 206
PENN - 224
COLU - 330
Ivies currently 13th-rated league."
Data is from Torvik, I believe.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-28-21 02:55 PM - Post#329938
In response to Ever True
I like these numbers a lot better.
Inflated Ivy League grading?
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penn nation
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11-28-21 03:00 PM - Post#329940
In response to Ever True
Torvik currently has Penn at 214, FWIW.
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penn nation
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11-28-21 03:01 PM - Post#329941
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I like these numbers a lot better.
Inflated Ivy League grading?
Just like in the classroom--only the usual suspects like H, where the average grade is, what, an A- these days?
Inflation never been more evident in Nassau Hall, for sure:
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/01/...
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