bradley
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12-21-21 06:21 PM - Post#331714
Kean has extremely good shooting stats -- 39.3% team 3 pt shooting % and 72.4% FT although they are small and Tigers should be able to post them up.
As to the women, Texas has #4 NET ranking with a very tall and big front court with 2 extremely talented guards. They press from the first whistle and overplay effectively. I suspect that the press will really bother Tiger pt guards so someone else is going to have to bring up the ball, if possible.
Suspect that the women will lose by 20+ and men should dominate certainly but not to the degree of the Rutgers-Camden game.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Kean/Texas
12-21-21 08:54 PM - Post#331718
In response to bradley
We then are off until the Harvard game Jan 2, but Harvard plays Kansas Dec. 29. The long layoff does not help us.
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welcometothejungle
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12-22-21 12:15 AM - Post#331729
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Pretty decent game on the men's side tonight. Shooting continues to be incredibly hot from all of the starting guards/wings. Tosan got the night off today, but Kellman returned to the lineup in his stead and showed a bit of everything. Some nice post moves, dunks, and blocks that really showcase his strength and athleticism, but also 6 turnovers. Can probably attribute a little bit of that to getting back into a rhythm after missing time, but his athleticism in the post does give the Tigers a unique angle to play.
Nothing super remarkable otherwise - Kean competed for about 10 minutes before the Tigers shooting became too much for them to guard, and always nice to put up 100 points even in the D3 game.
Bit of a layoff again now until Harvard, but hopefully that means lots of time to prepare (although with Harvard's injury situation hard to know who to even prepare for) and rest up and get fully healthy
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Tiger81
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Kean/Texas
12-22-21 09:00 AM - Post#331732
In response to welcometothejungle
Shooting was insane last night, possibly a combo of less defensive pressure and stress-free form due to the D3 competition. Agree on Kellman, he is raw but a force inside, nice complement to Tosan’s finesse game. Just need him to stop putting it on the floor …
Of the new guys who got playing time, Blake Peters stood out to me as a heady, steady guard. We will need someone like that next year to step up, complement Langborg and Allocco, and fill the large hole left by Jaelin and Wright. Noah said Coach H is also high on Gakwasi. I did not get a sense for his game, but his stats were comparable to Peters’ last night.
Edited by Tiger81 on 12-22-21 09:04 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Albert08
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Re: Kean/Texas
12-22-21 10:04 AM - Post#331733
In response to Tiger81
I see Allocco handling the ball a good deal next year, with some assistance by Peters and Langborg. Xaivian Lee from Perkiomen (other alums are Kellman, Byriel) and Jack Scott may help out as well, though they will need time to adjust to the college level. But you have to figure that Jack Scott has been well coached and has a decent bball IQ.
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rbg
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Kean/Texas
12-22-21 01:25 PM - Post#331741
In response to Albert08
Tough game against UT, but the Tigers are not backing down. Down 15-8 after 1st quarter.
Abby Meyers is 4-7 for all 8 team points, but the rest of group is 0-11. They're 0-6 from 3.
UT's defense is really good. They've used a full court press from the start of the game. First year PG Rori Harmon seems to be the team leader and really controlled both the offense and defense.
Edited by rbg on 12-22-21 01:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rbg
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12-22-21 01:57 PM - Post#331742
In response to rbg
Texas 32 Princeton 21 at the half.
Princeton
FG 8-34 24%
2FG 8-24 33%
3FG 0-10 0%
FT 5-6 83%
Asst 4 (50%)
Reb 23 (+4)
O-Reb 9 (35%)
D-Reb 14 (87%)
TO 10 (UT 10 pts)
Paint 14
Meyers 10 (5-8,0-6,0-0), 5 rebounds
Mitchell 6 (2-3,0-0,2-2), 8 rebounds
Texas
FG 14-31 45%
2FG 13-26 50%
3FG 1-5 20%
FT 3-4 75%
Asst 3 (21%)
Reb 19 (-4)
O-Reb 2 (13%)
D-Reb 17 (65%)
TO 7 (Princeton 2 pts)
Paint 22
Allen-Taylor 9 (3-5,1-1, 0-0)
Harmon 8 (4-6, 0-0,0-0), 7 rebounds
Matharu 6 (3-9,0-1,0-0)
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whitakk
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12-22-21 02:20 PM - Post#331744
In response to rbg
Defense is holding up against a great team -- 41 points allowed on 49 possessions so far -- and the rebounding advantage is impressive, just can't score.
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welcometothejungle
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12-22-21 02:24 PM - Post#331745
In response to whitakk
A good 3rd quarter where the Tigers got the lead as low as 4, but Texas fought back well and hit some tough shots late in the quarter to go into the 4th up by 11.
Elie Mitchell's rebounding today has been amazing
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rbg
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12-22-21 02:27 PM - Post#331746
In response to whitakk
Texas 50 Princeton 39 after 3
Princeton got it to 4 and 5 a few times but Texas bounced back.
Princeton went 7-20 (4-10 from 3) in the quarter. Texas went 7-9 (1-1 from 3).
Princeton has 34-24 lead on boards. Mitchell has 14 rebounds (11 offensive).
Meyers with 18 points (6-10,2-9). Allen-Taylor has 18 (5-8,2-2,2-2) for Texas.
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rbg
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12-22-21 03:28 PM - Post#331750
In response to rbg
Texas (9-1) 70 Princeton (7-4) 53
Princeton
FG 19-66 29%
2FG 13-40 33%
3FG 6-26 23%
FT 9-12 75%
Asst 13 (68%)
Reb 41 (+10)
O-Reb 21 (44%)
D-Reb 20 (83%)
TO 21 (UT 19 pts)
Paint 22 (-20)
Meyers 21 (6-11,3-13,0-0), 5 rebounds
Mitchell 10 (3-7,0-0,4-6), 16 rebounds (12 offensive, 4 defensive)
Cunningham 6 (2-9,0-5,2-2), 4 assists
Texas
FG 27-52 52%
2FG 23-42 55%
3FG 4-10 40%
FT 12-16 75%
Asst 8 (30%)
Reb 31 (-10)
O-Reb 4 (17%)
D-Reb 27 (56%)
TO 16 (Princeton 20 pts, 18 in 2nd half)
Paint 42 (+20)
Allen-Taylor 18 (5-8,2-2,2-2)
Harmon 15 (6-8,0-0,3-4), 7 rebounds
Matharu 12(4-11,1-3,1-2)
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bradley
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12-22-21 04:34 PM - Post#331757
In response to rbg
Tigers had open looks early in the game and were throwing up some bricks -- appeared to be a case of nerves from courtside. Even with that, they had a very good opportunity to go into the fourth quarter in a very tight game even if only they hit just a few of the 72% missed shots including 2 or 3 additional 3 pointers.
Thought that they would lose by 20 but they had every opportunity to be in a single digit game which certainly could have helped their NCAAW Tournament prospects if somehow they lose IvyMadness.
Meyers and Mitchell are special players and Mitchell is only a sophomore plus everyone is back other than Meyers with a high level of new recruits. Game would certainly be different if Littlefield was on the court for Princeton rather than NC.
Someone recently commented that Princeton President attends basketball games so what else can he do based on some criticism about IL Presidents. One of my comments was that players like Littlefied, Towns, Aiken, etc. should have had at least the opportunity to play 4 full years at their IL school. Always believe that the lack of real commitment by IL Presidents lead to the early departure of Carril, Banghart, etc. What sealed the deal for Banghart was probably the ibtroduction of IvyMadness.
If you really want to compete at an elite level, you need to have an elite commitment level. That does not currently exist.
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Tiger81
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12-22-21 06:51 PM - Post#331775
In response to bradley
I am fine with Princeton’s level of commitment to athletics and the Tigers’ sustained record of excellence is the best evidence I can think of to demonstrate its strength. Some coaches may not to work within the constraints that come with an academics-first institution or could grow frustrated with them over time. Some may want to compete at a higher (and more remunerative) level. I can live with that. As for players, they allow for medical red shirts and appear to be accommodating athletes who want to split semesters and graduate at mid-year. There is some flexibility but it is not unlimited.
Could they do more? Sure, but how far is enough?
I think Princeton and the Ivies in general do a good job of striking the right balance. Not that I have no complaints (I would like to see football get to participate in playoffs) but I respect the Ivy approach and am impressed with how so many teams and sports compete at a very high level.
Playing TX and coming within 5 points in the second half is a good example of the success of the Ivy model. Not a moral victory, I don’t believe in them, but an encouraging reflection of Tiger WBB’s determination and talent.
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bradley
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12-22-21 07:08 PM - Post#331778
In response to Tiger81
After watching replay, the Tiger's effort was simply amazing against a much larger, stronger Texas team. I did think that the physical play was excessive but the refs let them simply play. The Texas full court in your face defense is very disruptive to an offense, especially a ball fluid offense like the Tigers.
Chen played hard but she was overmatched. She had a lot of turnovers and was 0-6 plus she was one Tiger defender who was overmatched but she is a first year player and has replace Connolly.
Cunningham had a brutally bad shooting game but in fairness, it would have taken very hot shooting by everyone to overcome.
Next week a crazy good UCF, top #40 team, then Harvard, Cornell and Columbia before the final non-conference game with a top 60 team. What a schedule.
Texas game will certainly toughen them up for IL play.
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SecS3
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12-22-21 08:51 PM - Post#331785
In response to bradley
This may have been as tough as I've ever seen Princeton play. To out rebound that team was remarkable. Ellie Mitchell was a beast. She had three times as many offensive rebounds as the entire Texas team. The job that she and Grace Stone did while giving away 4 to 5 inches was impressive to say the least.
In fairness to Chen, all of her turnovers were not totally her fault. She was called for one back court violation that appeared clearly to be tipped by a defender. Under the relentless pressure Texas put on the entire game, I thought she did a pretty good job of bringing the ball up court. Like everyone else, she simply couldn't buy a basket. Had we made a few of the open looks, especially in the first half, this game could have been very interesting late into the fourth quarter. If the team continues to play this hard, most of the Ivy games well seem easier than practice.
FWIW, I'm all for playing a tough OC schedule rather than spending most of the pre Ivy time in the bakery. My only beef was, and it's a minor one at that, is I would have liked to have seen Paige Morton or even Parker Hill get to see a little combat late in the game against Texas' size and strength. Could prove beneficial down the road.
Yes it's a loss and I'm not a moral victory guy, but there's nothing for anyone to hang their head about. That type of effort will go a long way for the remainder of the season.
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bradley
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12-22-21 10:11 PM - Post#331787
In response to SecS3
I agree with you that it would have been helpful to have the two freshmen bigs get additional playing time this year but it is difficult with this type of non-conference schedule. They should get playing time when the Tigers face Dartmouth, Brown and probably Cornell during the regular IL season.
Based on the Texas game, the Tigers need not only additional height but strength to help Ellie Mitchell defend at the rim. Fortunately, next year a powerful 6'4" Forward ranked #9 at her position nationally and 43rd overall from Blair Academy, Tabita Amanze. I would not be surprised if Ellie and Amanze are starting forwards with Cunningham and Stone along with either Chen or Madison St. Rose, #11 at her position and 46th in the country.
Carla may be building something very special. Reminds one of what Harvard appeared to have with the Towns - Aiken - Lewis class.
Time will tell if they Carla can take it to a top 25 team with some regularity.
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Bryan
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12-22-21 10:32 PM - Post#331790
In response to bradley
Does anyone know why Tosan didn't play or dress against Kean?
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bradley
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12-22-21 11:01 PM - Post#331791
In response to Bryan
Announcers stated that Mitch was "resting" Tosan. He appeared fine walking off the court at the end of the game but who knows for sure. Mitch may have simply wanted to give playing time to Kellman coming off injury along with Hooks as he will need them if Tosan gets in foul trouble as per the norm.
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