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TigerFan 
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Re: Cornell
01-09-22 09:43 AM - Post#332922    
    In response to bradley

If I were Mitch, I’d be thinking about the January 29 Yale game for Jaelin’s return and hoping to win at least two of the three games before then (home against Brown and Penn, at Dartmouth).

 
Tiger69 
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01-09-22 11:25 AM - Post#332928    
    In response to SRP

How do you find it?

 
whitakk 
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Re: Cornell
01-09-22 11:36 AM - Post#332933    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
I completely agree with you and believe that IvyMadness is mindless but if you were Mitch "what would you do"? If I was Jaelin, winning the IL regular season would mean everything but no doubt, he also wants to go to the Big Dance.

If there is sufficient doubt regarding his health, I suspect that he will sit. Hope not but suspect so -- welcome to the new IL.



This year in particular I don't think it's even a trade-off. Right now among non-Princeton teams, the best projected record on KenPom (eyeballing some games that haven't been rescheduled yet) is Yale at 9-5, and fourth is a cluster of teams at 7-7. Torvik (less optimistic on Yale) is even tighter -- behind Princeton it's three teams at 8-6 and two more at 7-7.

The difference between playing for first and playing for fourth is really small this year, and Princeton needs Jaelin back pretty soon for either IMO.


 
Tiger81 
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01-09-22 11:54 AM - Post#332937    
    In response to Tiger69

I was out last night and only saw the final score and clips of Allocco's heroics. Just watched the replay, it was a gritty win without Jaelin. Kudos to the team and Coach Henderson for recovering from the lackluster first 25 minutes and finding a way to win.

A few observations:

- Jaelin's absence has many ripple effects: there is no bail-out option on offense, Ethan Wright is easier to defend, and the Tigers lose their most active and disruptive perimeter defender

- Ethan was not productive (2-9 FGs, 1-6 3PFG, 4 RBs) but Drew Friberg really stepped up along with Allocco; a hidden gem was Max Johns, who played the most non-starter minutes and scored on several nice moves around the rim

- Tosan was 6-14 FGs and had 5 assists but missed many shots around the rim that he usually makes, had 5 TOs and his missed FTs were ... ugh

- After the success of the 1-3-1 in 2H, Princeton's defense on Cornell's last two possessions almost lost the game for them (along with Tosan's FT brick); that was a head-scratcher for a team that seemed to be rising to the moment

- Hard to believe against a good team without Jaelin, on an off night for Wright and with a mixed performance from Tosan that they were able to dig deep for the W.

Go Tigers!

 
Tiger69 
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01-09-22 12:09 PM - Post#332939    
    In response to Tiger81

First, thank you TigerFan. The Championship for the SEASON should always be our first priority. Then, and only then, we worry about the damn tournament.
Second, as fine a player as Jaelin is, I believe that many of you underrate the collective talents of the rest of the team. It was good for us to have to play without Jaelin last night. We were reminded of what we have to do to cover for him and to practice for it. I am certainly not suggesting that we are as strong or deep without him. But, we have a lot to “step up”with.
Third, it seems like we have as many posts as fans at the game last night.
Fourth, GO TIGERS!


 
sparman 
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01-09-22 12:55 PM - Post#332943    
    In response to Tiger69

ESPN+ has replays of games it broadcast. Just watched it.

 
Tiger69 
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Cornell
01-09-22 02:27 PM - Post#332959    
    In response to sparman

Thanks, Sparman. I finally figured it out and watched the entire 2nd half. My wonderful Princeton education was a very long time ago. The dots connect a lot more slowly these days.

For all his reputation as a trash talker, Matt Allocco was very gracious in his brief post game interview. This is shaping up as a very interesting season.

Edited by Tiger69 on 01-09-22 02:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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01-09-22 03:40 PM - Post#332968    
    In response to Tiger69

Some “highlights” here, including the final shot:
https://youtu.be/lqmcihd7Kqo

 
gokinsmen 
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Cornell
01-09-22 07:40 PM - Post#332986    
    In response to SRP

I suspect Jaelin will be out for both games next week. Hammies are tricky and you have to be careful even if you feel better. Retweak it and he could be done for the season.

I'd rather be 2-2 with Jaelin healthy the rest of the way than be 4-0 with Jaelin out till March.

 
Bryan 
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01-09-22 07:53 PM - Post#332987    
    In response to gokinsmen

Princeton's first lead against Cornell came with 1:08 remaining in the second half and lasted 27 seconds. Princeton's second lead came with 23 seconds left and lasted 17 seconds. The last lead came on Allocco's buzzer beater so the Tigers led the game for 44 seconds.

The prior night against Columbia Princeton first took the lead with 12:16 left in the second half. They led for almost all the remainder of the game.

So they won both games despite not leading in the first half of either.


 
Eric Von Zipper 
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01-10-22 12:44 PM - Post#333002    
    In response to Bryan

Cardiac Kids

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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01-10-22 07:30 PM - Post#333051    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

If Allocco had missed his shot, we would be discussing the previous driving layup by Brown:

Where was the help defense???

Tosan was late to come help, and should have even gone so far as to serve up a hard foul, preventing an easy layup. A three point play would at least given us a chance to call time and set up a play.

(I'm only bringing this up to extend the discussion and give me more to read.)

 
SRP 
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01-11-22 05:41 AM - Post#333077    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Tiger D has been inconsistent all season. Opponents drive to the basket without much resistance quite a bit. I don’t know how often the lack of help defense is a deliberate tactic to avoid passes out to the three-point arc or to maintain defensive rebounding position, but combined with the meager rim protection out there, Princeton is giving up a ton of layup attempts.

 
bradley 
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01-11-22 08:51 AM - Post#333081    
    In response to SRP

I agree that they have trouble with guards, especially well built ones, to keep them from going to the basket. Seemingly, it appears that Wright, Alloco, Jaelin, and Langborg are finesse players who could probably have used more time in the weight room. Jaelin did get some extra muscle on during the pandemic but possibly not enough. If he goes to a Power 5 school next year, he will have to bulk up without losing his God given gift of quickness.

If I was Mitch, I would hire a strength and conditioning coach and the same comments apply to the women's program.

Tiger players are wiry and no doubt strong but just not strong enough with the exception of Kellman and possibly Tosan and Mitchell. Big difference between Power 5 teams and most mid-major teams as to strength.

 
SecS3 
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01-11-22 10:44 AM - Post#333088    
    In response to bradley

Princeton has strength and conditioning coaches.

 
SRP 
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01-11-22 01:15 PM - Post#333099    
    In response to SecS3

Strength is not the problem; lateral quickness is. They mostly have trouble staying in front of dribblers. MH’s foul-avoidance doctrine perhaps creates a false impression.

It remains the case that Tiger runs depend on forcing turnovers or rival shooting cold spells. They do not consistently force opponents into tough shots.

 
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