bradley
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01-16-22 11:40 AM - Post#333393
In response to Tiger81
Agree that Tigers absolutely need Jaelin to win the Il regular season crown and it would certainly help to have Kellman.
Noah came out last night and suggested that IvyMadness be expanded to 8 teams. His logic, that based off the first weekend, there is little difference between the 8 teams therefore everyone would get the opportunity to see more IL basketball with an expanded format mat the end of the season. If the league is so even, not sure why one would not advocate that the regular season decides the Big Dance representative but we have been through that argument before.
His suggestion would certainly make the IL regular season even more meaningless and always runs the risk of having a 7-20 represent the league.
Not sure that he really thought thru the ramifications but everyone has a right to their opinion.
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LocalTiger
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01-16-22 11:51 AM - Post#333394
In response to Tiger81
Does anyone know status of Garrett Johnson. He has size and was
freshman who seemed most likely to be in rotation early.
Injured at start of season, but no detail.
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Tiger81
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01-16-22 12:15 PM - Post#333395
In response to bradley
The phrase “14-game tournament” keeps popping up in my mind …
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Tiger84
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01-16-22 12:34 PM - Post#333397
In response to Tiger81
They’ve gotten away with this Houdini act against two decent teams. But they need Jaelin back and at 100%, if they’re going to compete with H and Y.
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SomeGuy
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01-16-22 01:30 PM - Post#333398
In response to Tiger81
Not to get back into this (particularly since the tournament is I’m sure here to stay), but I never understand why more basketball is a bad thing. Think of it as a 17 game tournament being better than a 14 game tournament.
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Tiger81
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01-16-22 02:32 PM - Post#333405
In response to SomeGuy
I am resigned to the tournament and the arguments for/against it have been beaten to death on this site. But an 8-team tournament for a one-bid conference would render the regular season virtually meaningless.
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sparman
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01-16-22 03:17 PM - Post#333408
In response to Tiger81
If attendance is sparse already, why would making the regular season meaningless not depress it further?
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SomeGuy
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01-16-22 03:22 PM - Post#333409
In response to Tiger81
Which would make it like just about every regular season in just about every sport just about everywhere. There is a reason that we like these types of things. While it would make the regular season less meaningful in a sense, it would generally create a larger number of meaningful games overall. While parity has improved in the league, over the years our league had an astounding number of meaningless games, and as the rest of the world moved to conference tournaments, it created a situation where we were the only league with teams with nothing to play for. A tournament creates more games that truly mean something (win or go home), and expanding to 8 teams only creates more of those meaningful games,
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Old Bear
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01-16-22 03:54 PM - Post#333414
In response to SomeGuy
Let's call the regular season winner the League Champ, and give the tournament winner the auto bid. We might even get two bids occasionally.
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Old Bear
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01-16-22 03:54 PM - Post#333415
In response to Old Bear
Let's call the regular season winner the League Champ, and give the tournament winner the auto bid. We might even get two bids, occasionally.
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Tiger81
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01-16-22 06:06 PM - Post#333422
In response to SomeGuy
Well, there is “less meaningful” and “completely meaningless”. There is literally no point to the regular season, except for seeding purposes, if every team qualifies for the tournament. And you could seed based on OOC results.
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gokinsmen
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Brown
01-16-22 07:08 PM - Post#333428
In response to Tiger81
The top 1-2 teams need to receive a bigger advantage in the Ivy Tourney. Is it really such an impossible challenge to have the games at the top seed's homecourt? At the very least, let's have it at a neutral site.
Maybe we go to the old NFL system: 6 teams, top 2 get a 1st round bye. Letting the 4th place team have the same road to the auto-bid as 1st place - potentially even HOSTING the games? Now that is madness.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Brown
01-16-22 10:06 PM - Post#333441
In response to gokinsmen
6 teams sounds like a great idea to me. Stuff for both the top teams and the bottom teams to play for.
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TigerFan
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01-16-22 10:56 PM - Post#333446
In response to SomeGuy
I would hate to see the thing go any bigger than 4 teams. It’s bad enough as is. Completely agree that the league champ should host the tournament.
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1LotteryPick1969
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01-17-22 09:14 AM - Post#333453
In response to TigerFan
While I agree in theory, it would present an enormous logistical dilemma. There would be only a week for ticket sales, hotels, transportation, and probably many things of which I am unaware.
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Tiger69
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01-17-22 11:19 AM - Post#333465
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Sorry to repeat. Regular season Champ to NCAA. #2-#5 have a Tournament for NIT bid. Why in hell should Champs have to prove themselves twice?
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Tiger84
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01-17-22 12:13 PM - Post#333470
In response to Tiger69
For one thing, the NIT only offers auto bids to regular season champs, which by definition teams 2-5 are not.
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Tiger69
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01-17-22 02:07 PM - Post#333490
In response to Tiger84
Surely there aren’t that many regular season champs who fail to get NCAA bids.
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welcometothejungle
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Brown
01-17-22 03:19 PM - Post#333497
In response to Tiger69
In the 2019 NIT (the last one with a normal field), 10/32 teams were automatic qualifiers who topped their regular season standings but lost in the conference tournament (coincidentally Harvard received one of those bids).
Of the remaining 22 at-large bids, only 6 went to teams from outside the P6 + AAC (2 to the A-10, 2 to the SoCon, 1 to the MAC, and 1 to the WCC)
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Tiger69
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Re: Brown
01-18-22 10:21 AM - Post#333649
In response to welcometothejungle
So, the NIT (K-E-Y) is a Runners Up tournament, except for those unfortunate conferences that get so little respect that their season champs, ignored by the NCAA and defeated in their versions of made-for-TV tournaments, get guaranteed spots. With 29+ games already does our Authentic Season Champ really deserve a meaningless post season show? Give it to our runner up. The Champ deserves to dance.
Edited by Tiger69 on 01-18-22 10:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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