Eric Von Zipper
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01-17-22 01:30 PM - Post#333483
Opened Princeton -5 1/2 O/U 151
Both bet down to -3 1/2 O/U 146
Looks like the little guy is out again.
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 04:31 PM - Post#333509
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Llewellyn is going through warmups, unclear how much he'll play but that is different from the past 2 games
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:00 PM - Post#333511
In response to welcometothejungle
And he's starting!
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:12 PM - Post#333523
In response to welcometothejungle
Weirdly enough, the defense on the guards has been good early but we've struggled with Moshokovitz
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:20 PM - Post#333529
In response to welcometothejungle
Penn comes out of the U12 with a full court trapping press and the Tigers instantly turn it to a corner 3 for Allocco to tie it
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:30 PM - Post#333538
In response to welcometothejungle
Offense is really humming now, generating a lot of open looks from deep and getting some penetration from Tosan and Johns
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:33 PM - Post#333541
In response to welcometothejungle
Defensively we're selling out pretty hard on Dingle, which is working on him early. Moshkovitz is getting a lot of shot attempts against smaller defenders and has taken advantage accordingly, but Penn is really only living in the floater/hook shot range in a way that Donahue's teams haven't done much historically.
This Princeton offense when it's going like this is so fun to watch, Tosan is incredible and the shooters around him have been ready to fire
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:37 PM - Post#333545
In response to welcometothejungle
Both of Penn's 3pt makes this half have been on plays where we sent a 2nd player at a post up and weren't quick enough on the recovery to get a good contest.
Only 4 3pt attempts for Penn with a minute to play
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TigerFan
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01-17-22 05:42 PM - Post#333548
In response to welcometothejungle
Solid half and the Tigers go into the break up 6. First halftime lead so far in league play. Princeton has completely shut down Dingle.
Edited by TigerFan on 01-17-22 05:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 05:42 PM - Post#333549
In response to welcometothejungle
Feels good to have a lead for a change, but they can't take their foot off the gas. It got a little casual for a while after taking a 7pt lead. I love seeing Tosan shoot 3s... but maybe not in a close game, ha.
Even with Jaelin back, it's clear that Allocco is playing with more confidence. Gotta be ready for Penn to go on a big run in the 2nd half. Langborg's stroke is off today, but that's okay - just focus on defense and ball handling. Other guys are making shots.
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Vonsid
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01-17-22 05:46 PM - Post#333551
In response to gokinsmen
That Tosan jam was gnarly.
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:49 PM - Post#333553
In response to welcometothejungle
Tosan scores and then a good defensive possession to close the half up by 6.
Have to stay solid defensively, I've really liked the way the defense has looked for the most part, and the offense has been great
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 05:57 PM - Post#333555
In response to welcometothejungle
A Tosan steal, he kicks to Friberg who shot fakes and then cuts and off the cut hits a wide open Wright for a 3. Fun to watch
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:02 PM - Post#333558
In response to welcometothejungle
A Tosan steal, he kicks to Friberg who shot fakes and then cuts and off the cut hits a wide open Wright for a 3. Fun to watch
https://twitter.com/PrincetonMBB/status/1 483197744...
replay of that sequence
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TigerFan
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01-17-22 06:02 PM - Post#333560
In response to welcometothejungle
Tigers have to really stay focused. Quakers have a run in them, just a matter of how big.
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:11 PM - Post#333567
In response to TigerFan
Offense slowing up a little and Penn has it back down to a 4 point game. Friberg's open 3 just rolls out before the U12 timeout
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 06:14 PM - Post#333570
In response to welcometothejungle
Shots have gone cold but they still have the lead. They just need to stay the course - this game was never going to be easy.
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 06:20 PM - Post#333576
In response to gokinsmen
A 6-minute FG drought but back-to-back FTs drawn. Gotta adjust to Penn's more aggressive defense. We're not a good FT shooting team, but points are points.
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:25 PM - Post#333578
In response to gokinsmen
Nice spurt out of the U8 to bring a bit of a cushion back
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:30 PM - Post#333580
In response to welcometothejungle
Up to a 10 point lead! Wright with good defense on Dingle to force a turnover, and then Llewellyn with an excellent shot fake + drive to find Wright for an open 3
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 06:31 PM - Post#333582
In response to welcometothejungle
They weathered the scoring drought and found their stroke again. Funny how getting to the line - even if you miss a few - always seems to get the offense going. That's why I firmly believe we beat Monmouth with Tosan.
Let's close this out... I think Dingle may have some big shots left to make.
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TigerFan
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01-17-22 06:31 PM - Post#333583
In response to welcometothejungle
Beautiful passing by the Tigers and lead goes back up to 10. Whew!
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:34 PM - Post#333586
In response to TigerFan
It's so nice to have Jaelin back. Just so elite at getting to the rim at will off the dribble
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:39 PM - Post#333590
In response to welcometothejungle
Looks like WBB has made it back to Jadwin in time to catch the end of this one from Jadwin!
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welcometothejungle
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01-17-22 06:46 PM - Post#333592
In response to welcometothejungle
Little shaky against the Penn press, but Langborg and Allocco putting FTs in to get it back to a 10 point lead with 24 seconds to play
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01-17-22 06:50 PM - Post#333594
In response to welcometothejungle
Good win! Always nice to beat Penn, and I thought the defense was very encouraging today.
Really nice bounce back game from Ethan Wright, who I thought struggled with the Kino Lilly matchup against Brown. Nice to have Jaelin back, and Allocco and Johns provided some really nice contributions today
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 06:51 PM - Post#333595
In response to welcometothejungle
Slow, anti-climactic ending but that was a great team win. The play that truly sealed it was Wright's steal/block on Dingle followed by his 3 right after.
To my eyes, Jaelin only went about 80% speed (gotta watch the hammy), but we don't win without him. Also: Allocco is a really good decision-maker. He doesn't have Jaelin's handles/speed, but there were like 4 times where he made the right call in a tough spot.
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TigerFan
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01-17-22 06:51 PM - Post#333596
In response to welcometothejungle
Great win!
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Tiger81
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01-17-22 06:58 PM - Post#333598
In response to TigerFan
Agreed, really nice team win. Jaelin played limited minutes and Tosan was contained but the supporting cast all stepped up and made a contribution, including Max Johns, when they needed it. Also, FTs were 14-17 and the defense was good for long stretches, which we have not been able to count on this season.
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01-17-22 07:02 PM - Post#333600
In response to Tiger81
It looked to my like Tosan was guarding Slajchert quite a bit in the second half--kind of a realignment to stop those in the lane floaters.
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gokinsmen
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01-17-22 07:05 PM - Post#333601
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
A la Kareem Maddox, Tosan has been matched on some guards for stretches. When they use the 1-3-1, it's often Tosan on top as the chaser.
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SRP
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01-19-22 01:36 AM - Post#333698
In response to gokinsmen
Just got to watch the game. (And did it without seeing any spoilers.)
Excellent performance on the whole. The team defense (in both games, actually) was a little better this week, even if some of these players are vulnerable to post-ups and drives individually. Llewellyn not 100% but still deadly, Allocco holding up his end, Tosan having to adjust to the physical play and lack of calls and making plays on both ends, and the three wing musketeers collectively getting it done. Wright, especially, was back in the mode of making timely plays shooting, rebounding, and defending.
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01-19-22 07:53 AM - Post#333701
In response to SRP
Four TO's each by Tosan and Langborg. Tosan mostly travel calls. Langborg made a few cringeworthy passes that were picked off.
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penn nation
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01-19-22 07:26 PM - Post#333715
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Four TO's each by Tosan and Langborg. Tosan mostly travel calls.
Quite honestly, he had a few more that were not even called, including two of his baskets before even those officials could not longer turn a blind eye to the travels. Tosan is obviously very talented but his walks are very bold and blatant.
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penn nation
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01-19-22 08:21 PM - Post#333727
In response to penn nation
Four TO's each by Tosan and Langborg. Tosan mostly travel calls.
Quite honestly, he had a few more that were not even called, including two of his baskets before even those officials could no longer turn a blind eye to the travels. Tosan is obviously very talented but his walks are very bold and blatant.
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bradley
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01-19-22 09:22 PM - Post#333735
In response to penn nation
So many many fouls were not called during that game on both sides as stated multiple times by Noah Savage but I would hope that you realize that is not the reasons why the Quakers lost but it is a good excuse for sure.
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penn nation
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01-19-22 09:34 PM - Post#333739
In response to bradley
Yes, the impartial Noah Savage. Muted the game as soon as I saw who the announcers were.
Sorry, Tigers, we have the receipts--his track record speaks for itself.
Penn was the more aggressive and physical team on offense in the early going, plain and simple. They had zero to show for it from the officials. They got pummeled this way by Columbia in their loss and they deservedly racked up plenty of foul calls as a result, which did not help their cause.
Nothing I've said about this game in any post refers to the officials being the main reason for the game's outcome. However, looking at the noted foul discrepancy in favor of Princeton well into the later stages of the first half would have given anyone a very skewed view of the actual situation on the court.
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bradley
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01-19-22 10:26 PM - Post#333748
In response to penn nation
Sounds like a true Quaker fan. At the end of the day, more talented team at hone tends to win. Homecourt is certainly an advantage, always has been.
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penn nation
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01-19-22 10:45 PM - Post#333750
In response to bradley
Penn has plenty of problems as it is.
It didn't need the early officiating to make it worse.
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Tiger69
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01-19-22 10:53 PM - Post#333752
In response to penn nation
I like the “Euro step”. Apparently they haven’t heard of it yet down Philadelphia way. But, that doesn’t matter — the world is already stacked against all that is Penn.
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sparman
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01-19-22 11:45 PM - Post#333755
In response to Tiger69
I think I may have stumbled onto a Columbia message board.
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SomeGuy
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01-19-22 11:54 PM - Post#333757
In response to Tiger69
Not to pile on against my Penn brethren, but I actually think it was to Penn’s advantage that the refs allowed a lot of contact. Yes, the calls were a little uneven, but the main thing was that they didn’t call much of anything. That allowed Mosh and Martz to be extremely physical with Tosan, which impacted him greatly (and probably led to a couple of those travels).
I kept the sound on (which I think was rare among Penn fans).. There was actually a travel call on someone (Langborg?) where in real time Savage was outraged by the call. In exasperation, he says “look at this” as they show the replay. Replay finishes. And then he says, “actually, that was definitely a travel.” At least one instance of objectivity.
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SRP
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01-20-22 03:51 AM - Post#333763
In response to SomeGuy
Savage also flagged a few cases where he thought the Tigers committed fouls that weren’t called..IMO he biggest bias is favoring offensive scorers—he is prone to mention lower-body contact by defenders but overlook pushoffs and hooks by dribblers. He tends to complain about games where the defense dominates.
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LocalTiger
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01-20-22 10:37 AM - Post#333768
In response to SRP
Some Guy is right. If the refs had called the game more
Tightly, Tosan would have lived at the line, and Penn
would have had real foul trouble with its more
"Physical" bigs.
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Tiger69
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01-20-22 10:48 AM - Post#333771
In response to LocalTiger
Given Tosan’s vulnerability at the foul line, fouling him might not have been a bad strategy. We shall see him at the foul line a lot this season. We can only hope that his foul line accuracy improves.
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SomeGuy
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01-20-22 11:24 AM - Post#333773
In response to LocalTiger
Only caveat is that Penn’s strategy probably changes if the game is called differently. I’m sure Mosh sees that he’s allowed to put a hand on Tosan with no call, so he keeps doing it. And then he puts two hands. Still no call. Ok, I’ll play that way. If it gets called, he stops.
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penn nation
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01-20-22 12:06 PM - Post#333774
In response to SomeGuy
We'll agree to disagree here. At least for the first 10+ minutes, most of Penn's possessions were in the low post/inside. There was repeated body contact on shots up close--these were not ticky tack fouls out on the perimeter. No fouls were called, both on misses and where an "and 1" was in order.
So Princeton got to have its cake and eat it, too. Deny the 3 and be allowed to play as physical as it wanted inside without getting called for any foul violations.
I think it was something like 12 minutes before there was any foul called on Princeton, and at some point the discrepancy was something like 5 to 1.
This hurt Penn a lot more than Princeton simply because Princeton did not rely on the inside game nearly as much as Penn did.
In any event, as the game wore on there were more bad forced shots by Penn, so this was not a game long dynamic. But Penn deserved better early on--if nothing else to at least get a few Tigers in foul trouble.
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Tiger69
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01-20-22 12:32 PM - Post#333776
In response to penn nation
Surely the refs were intimidated by the large, hostile Jadwin crowd.
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penn nation
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01-20-22 12:40 PM - Post#333777
In response to Tiger69
Surely the refs were intimidated by the large, hostile Jadwin crowd.
I don't think Jadwin has ever really been known for that anyways, at least in terms of the fans. The weird layout of the structure, yes, in terms of affecting player shots given the background.
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mmp629
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01-20-22 01:30 PM - Post#333783
In response to penn nation
I watched the end of the Rutgers-Iowa game last night: game was tied and Rutgers got put on the free throw line with 2 seconds left...one of the Big Ten analysts after the game said that even if it was a terrible call by the refs, if you are going to win on the road, you could use a 10 point lead near the end. Every team has ups and downs with referees.
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LocalTiger
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01-20-22 01:37 PM - Post#333785
In response to mmp629
I watched the video again. Princeton, as it has all season,
Was allowing drives without help or fouling while sticking on
3 point shooters.
Penn was pushing Tosan out of his effective zone.
Princeton found other ways to score as the refs let them play at both ends. Penn did not.
End of story.
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penn nation
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01-20-22 02:04 PM - Post#333791
In response to mmp629
Penn at home recently got pounded by Columbia on the offensive end. The foul disparity was appropriate. Zero complaints from any of us on the Penn side about that.
In the early going in the game at Jadwin Penn was the more dominant team inside. It did not last for the whole game but it was nonetheless there.
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Tiger69
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01-20-22 02:28 PM - Post#333794
In response to penn nation
Of course, you realize, PN, that Princeton was deprived by COVID of the A.O.s,* the loudest and most fanatic element of its home court advantage.
* Angry Octogenarians
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penn nation
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01-20-22 02:36 PM - Post#333796
In response to Tiger69
OK, you win.
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SRP
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01-20-22 09:50 PM - Post#333827
In response to penn nation
Henderson coaches how not to foul. I was impressed by the Tigers' discipline in going straight up in the air as a help defender, not initiating contact with the body, etc. PU generally doesn't foul very much.
In this game, the refs were being pretty lax overall, so there might have been a few more plays than usual on both sides of the court where more could have been called, but to suggest that just because you go into the post you're entitled to foul calls is wrong.
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