penn nation
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02-15-22 10:52 PM - Post#336556
In response to SRP
It's also possible that Scheyer is some sort of prodigy, and K believes that his legacy would be better preserved with him in charge. HIs first recruiting class is ranked #1, so at least that might not be a problem, although Coach K's residual presence could be distorting things.
He has zero head coaching experience and even at Duke has only been at the associate head coach level for a couple of years.
It's somewhat mystifying that someone like that would even qualify as contending for this position.
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TigerFan
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02-16-22 12:07 AM - Post#336558
In response to penn nation
So K didn’t weigh in with the Duke administration against TA or he did and the administration just blew him off and offered TA the job? And then he talks TA, who presumably interviewed for the job, into not taking it when it’s offered? This is just weird.
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penn nation
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02-16-22 12:18 AM - Post#336559
In response to TigerFan
I've got nothing per se against Scheyer. Been following him since his high school days when he was part of an all-Jewish starting five at Glenbrook North to win the IHSA title.
But this just seems so weird, doesn't it?
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OldBig5
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02-16-22 12:48 AM - Post#336561
In response to penn nation
Scheyer probably reminds Coach K of himself. Most of us default to hiring people like ourselves unless we have enough self awareness to know that different types can work as well. It's really an impossible situation for the kid--he should have run from it.
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iogyhufi
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02-16-22 01:27 AM - Post#336562
In response to TigerFan
Amaker is a better man than I, because I would've told that crusty old fossil precisely where he could stick his preference. For that matter, Amaker could've made life very unpleasant for Coach K and Duke if he'd chosen to do so, because the optics of this are absolutely brutal (if the article is to be believed). Frankly, after what Coach K did to him, he'd have been well within his rights to do so.
(I think that staying at Harvard is probably the best career move for Amaker, loathe as I am to admit it. He will never ever ever be fired, he's proven that he can consistently put together strong teams at this level, and it seems as though he and the missus are happy with their position.)
Also, and I apologize for my bluntness here, he's already failed at the helm of two separate Power 5 schools. Duke is the crown jewel of coaching jobs in terms of the infrastructure in place, and Duke shouldn't have to settle for anything less than the best possible hire. I really don't think that Scheyer was that guy based on his inexperience, but I digress.
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sparman
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02-16-22 08:58 AM - Post#336564
In response to iogyhufi
I don't know why anyone would want to be the successor to K. Not just because he's an abusive control freak (or as I have called him, a dyspeptic rodent), but because it will be impossible to satisfy Duke fans accustomed to his success.
People around Maryland grouse about joining the Big 10, but they forget the ACC was run as the All Carolina Conference for years, with K as godfather.
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Tommy Amaker 02-16-22 09:02 AM - Post#336565
In response to iogyhufi
That's why I made the reference to the Godfather horse's head scene. We don't know what Coach K told Amaker, but it had to be stronger than "I promised Scheyer that he would take my place" after Duke offered him the job.
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palestra38
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Re: Tommy Amaker 02-16-22 09:08 AM - Post#336567
In response to palestra38
And it appears Scheyer got his first win yesterday as K left due to illness at halftime. But watch that winning putback--only Duke gets the offensive interference call reversed there.
https://www.aol.com/sports/dukes-mike-krz yzewski-r...
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Re: Tommy Amaker 02-16-22 11:00 AM - Post#336575
In response to palestra38
This is not to seem disparaging to TA in any way. I think he is an excellent recruiter and a good coach. However, I would ask you all this. If you were Duke, would you be looking for a great recruiter or a great coach. Obviously, any coach needs to do both. However, Duke is an easy sell. I would think the emphasis would be on coaching. In Coach K’s defense, he might honestly believe that Scheyer would have the greatest probability of success based on coaching alone. Further, even though Coach K is retiring, you still want him to be an ambassador for the program, i.e., you want to keep him happy. That they would allow him to take the lead shouldn’t be surprising.
Beyond that, I think we all agree that following a legend is always a challenge and may be biased with failure or at least an inability to satisfy the fan base.
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palestra38
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Re: Tommy Amaker 02-16-22 11:18 AM - Post#336576
In response to Condor
All true, but it ignores that Duke did its due diligence and then offered Amaker the job. It was only the last second intervention of Coach K after all of this already happened (and he had to know about it) that the "phone call" took place and Amaker declined the offer. Still a lot missing.
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Condor
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Re: Tommy Amaker 02-16-22 12:32 PM - Post#336579
In response to palestra38
I agree with you P38, but it still seems like we are getting 3rd hand information someone within the Duke sphere. I am not certain we really know what happened yet.
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Penndemonium
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02-16-22 01:20 PM - Post#336581
In response to Condor
It's not hard to imagine how Coach K feels he owns the program and has the right to weigh in on his successor, wants to preserve his legacy, and *might* think that someone is better for the job than Amaker. Since Amaker was going to need to be an assistant coach under Coach K for a year, Coach K might have even felt honor bound to say that he favored another one of his assistants. That in of itself would have made it tough to leave Harvard. Just a theory.
Wow. My 2nd post on the Harvard board ever. Harvard basketball has arrived.
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