palestra38
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02-25-22 03:30 PM - Post#337523
https://twitter.com/recspecs730/status/14 972886862...
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penn nation
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Re: Luke Benz on the importance of tonight's game
02-25-22 03:42 PM - Post#337525
In response to palestra38
It's the most important game...until Sunday's.
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palestra38
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Re: Luke Benz on the importance of tonight's game
02-25-22 04:22 PM - Post#337527
In response to penn nation
Really, until tomorrow's Yale-Cornell game.
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OldBig5
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02-25-22 07:45 PM - Post#337538
In response to palestra38
I don't know who to root for. I guess a tie is not possible.
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Silver Maple
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02-25-22 09:14 PM - Post#337558
In response to OldBig5
As much as it kills me to do so, I think I have to grudgingly root for Princeton. They're in the conference tournament no matter what, and I want to see Harvard dead, dead, dead. It would be great if they both could lose, but I don't see a path to that outcome.
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PennFan10
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02-25-22 11:53 PM - Post#337578
In response to Silver Maple
I am coming around to the idea of Harvard as the 4 seed. If they play Princeton on day 1 and Penn plays Yale, I like playing a thin Harvard team on a back to back should we both win. Probably easier than beating Yale on day one and a rested Princeton the next day (after blowing out Cornell).
That's obviously only 1 of many possible scenarios. I think the hardest thing would be to be a 1 seed against a 4 seed Harvard on day 1. I wouldn't be afraid of the Sunday game
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palestra38
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02-26-22 05:47 AM - Post#337579
In response to PennFan10
Let's address this after today's Penn-Dartmouth and Yale-Cornell games. If we have a chance to finish first, we want Cornell there.
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PennFan10
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02-26-22 11:03 AM - Post#337584
In response to palestra38
I agree. My scenario is assuming the odds are correct and we are the 2 or 3
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Silver Maple
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02-26-22 02:16 PM - Post#337598
In response to PennFan10
There's another reason to not want Harvard: as has been pointed out by others, it would be delicious if they don't participate in a conference tournament held on their home court. Yes, that's a childish, mean-spirited, petty reason, which reflects very poorly on me as a human being, but there you have it. You'd think that, at this point in my life, I'd be beyond such churlishness, but I guess I'm not.
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TigerFan
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02-26-22 02:41 PM - Post#337601
In response to Silver Maple
I join you in churlishness, Silver. I assume that, like me, you enjoyed the true glory days of the Ivies when it was Princeton and Penn and the others. What better way to spite the new thingy that comes after the league season than to have the host team (with its little high school gym) not make it in.
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OldBig5
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02-26-22 06:34 PM - Post#337693
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I join you in churlishness, Silver. I assume that, like me, you enjoyed the true glory days of the Ivies when it was Princeton and Penn and the others. What better way to spite the new thingy that comes after the league season than to have the host team (with its little high school gym) not make it in.
Me three. Feels good to be petty.
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TigerFan
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02-26-22 07:32 PM - Post#337702
In response to OldBig5
Here’s Luke’s update after last night and this afternoon’s huge contests: https://twitter.com/recspecs730/status/14 976981065...
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iogyhufi
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02-26-22 07:46 PM - Post#337703
In response to TigerFan
Seeds 1 and 4 lock in with a Princeton win over Harvard tomorrow (and the difference between two and three really doesn't matter).
Interesting bit of trivia: should Princeton win out, this will only be the second ILT with a sole conference champion as the 1-seed. The previous one was in the first ILT season and was also Princeton, with the team going 16-0 into the Dance.
(Yale in 2020 was also the outright champion, but I'm not counting it since the tournament wasn't played.)
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Silver Maple
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02-27-22 12:50 PM - Post#337737
In response to OldBig5
I join you in churlishness, Silver. I assume that, like me, you enjoyed the true glory days of the Ivies when it was Princeton and Penn and the others. What better way to spite the new thingy that comes after the league season than to have the host team (with its little high school gym) not make it in.
Me three. Feels good to be petty.
I'm actually kind of conflicted about that. While it felt good for my alma mater to have a dominant team, it also got boring for me after awhile. I'm pretty sure that, if that situation had continued to the present day, I'd be paying far less attention to Ivy basketball. The league is much more exciting and interesting now, and the overall quality of play is significantly higher.
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SomeGuy
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03-02-22 09:45 AM - Post#337933
In response to iogyhufi
Can someone take me through why Cornell is in? On what basis do they get the tiebreaker if they lose to Columbia and at least one of the teams right behind them win?
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Go Green
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03-02-22 09:51 AM - Post#337934
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Can someone take me through why Cornell is in? On what basis do they get the tiebreaker if they lose to Columbia and at least one of the teams right behind them win?
Pretty sure it's because they have a victory over the highest-seeded team among those with the same record.
IIRC, Dartmouth lost out on a tiebreaker a few years back for the same reason.
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iogyhufi
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03-02-22 10:04 AM - Post#337935
In response to Go Green
Yup, this is right. Tiebreaker 2 is record against the top team in the standings, descending if need be. Harvard has no wins against Princeton and Yale, but Cornell has a win against each. That'll be enough.
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SomeGuy
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03-02-22 10:45 AM - Post#337937
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Got it.
We have managed to get to a meaningless final weekend for the first time since the tournament was instituted. Was avoiding a traditional Ivy doubleheader on the final weekend intentional? It may be fairer to just have one game for everyone instead of making some teams do the long road back to back, but ending with a doubleheader makes for a more exciting final weekend.
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Go Green
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03-02-22 10:52 AM - Post#337938
In response to iogyhufi
Yup, this is right. Tiebreaker 2 is record against the top team in the standings, descending if need be. Harvard has no wins against Princeton and Yale, but Cornell has a win against each. That'll be enough.
Of course, Dartmouth and Brown currently have the same record as Harvard. But each would lose any tiebreaker to Cornell based on record against higher-seeded teams if a tie resulted.
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Stuart Suss
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03-02-22 12:18 PM - Post#337939
In response to Go Green
There is a scenario where:
1.Dartmouth wins at Harvard in the 2:00 pm game;
2.Cornell loses at Columbia in the 4:00 pm game;
3.Princeton loses at Penn in the 6:00 pm game; and
4.Yale loses at home to Brown in the 7:00 pm game.
In that case, Penn is the #1 seed and Dartmouth wins the tiebreaker over Cornell and Brown because it is the only team who has defeated Penn.
According to Ken Pomeroy's odds as of 11:00 am Wednesday morning, the chances of each happening are:
1.Dartmouth win: 36%
2.Columbia loss: 17%
3.Princeton loss: 44%
4.Yale loss: 27%
The chance of all four happening is the product of each individual probability (.36 x .17 x .44 x.27) which is .007, 7 in one thousand, or seven tenths of 1 percent.
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