PennFan10
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03-01-22 01:22 PM - Post#337885
Seems to me there are 2 candidates, 3 if you want to be generous.
Conference only stats:
Kino Lilly, Brown: 32 min, 14.5 ppg, 41% FG, 44% 3pt, 82% FT, 1.8 Reb, 2.1 asst, .75 A/TO, 1.0 steal
Clark Slajchert: Penn: 27 min, 12.5 ppg, 52% FG, 39% 3pt, 79% FT, 2.1 Reb, 1.5 assts, 1.0 A/TO, .3 steal
G. Rubio de la Rosa, Columbia: 33 min, 39% FG, 38.6% 3pt, 70% FT, 4.0 reb, 3.1 assts, 1.25 A/TO, 1.2 steal
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palestra38
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-01-22 02:13 PM - Post#337889
In response to PennFan10
That's a tough comparison. The shooting percentage difference is startling, given that Lilly shoots 3s at a higher percentage. I think Slajchert is the better player, but the fact that Lilly has more minutes might make the difference.
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iogyhufi
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-01-22 02:17 PM - Post#337890
In response to PennFan10
I think the only thing that might keep Lilly from getting ROY is that it might be a little odd for the sixth-place team to get ROY, DPOY (Gainey), and a first-team all-Ivy selection (Choh).
If I'm being honest, Choh probably won't get first-team honors, which is a shame to me, given how well he's performed over the course of the whole year (and given his really strong career). I'm sure Ethan Wright will beat him out, but I have a lot of sympathy for a player who's really the only consistent offensive threat on his team having to carry the whole load night in and night out.
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PennFan10
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-01-22 02:46 PM - Post#337892
In response to PennFan10
Forgot to include Rubio de la Rosa averaged 11.8 ppg during the A8 slate.
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gokinsmen
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03-01-22 03:59 PM - Post#337895
In response to PennFan10
Kino Lilly may have the edge as a true freshman whereas Clark Slajchert is a "covid rookie."
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Streamers
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03-01-22 05:49 PM - Post#337905
In response to gokinsmen
good point.
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Silver Maple
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03-01-22 06:29 PM - Post#337907
In response to Streamers
As much as I like Slajchert (and I really like him), I have to go with Lilly here, reluctantly. That said, if Clark has 2-3 big games in the next two weeks, he might tip the scales the other way. I also suspect Clark might have more upside than Lilly, but that remains to be seen, and might be my bias talking. Let's see how things look in a few years.
To be clear, there's no denying that Lilly is a very good and exciting player, and I look forward to watching him over the next few seasons.
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Old Bear
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03-01-22 08:11 PM - Post#337912
In response to Silver Maple
As much as I do!
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Penndemonium
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03-02-22 05:04 AM - Post#337928
In response to Old Bear
I like that Slajchert is recently playing like the PG we haven't had in a long time at Penn. Someone who can dribble through pressure, hit threes, and make free throws.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-02-22 08:29 AM - Post#337930
In response to PennFan10
There is another.
Chris Manon. I think he very well might win ROY.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-02-22 09:39 AM - Post#337931
In response to SomeGuy
On the soph vs. first year point, I wonder if they might consider doing separate awards for those classes. Lilly would win in any other year. Tough to take it away from him based on circumstance. But also don’t want to skip acknowledging someone in the soph class (Matt Knowling probably should get some consideration there too).
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PennFan10
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-02-22 02:06 PM - Post#337946
In response to PennFan10
Seems to me there are 2 candidates, 3 if you want to be generous.
Conference only stats:
Kino Lilly, Brown: 32 min, 14.5 ppg, 41% FG, 44% 3pt, 82% FT, 1.8 Reb, 2.1 asst, .75 A/TO, 1.0 steal
Clark Slajchert: Penn: 27 min, 12.5 ppg, 52% FG, 39% 3pt, 79% FT, 2.1 Reb, 1.5 assts, 1.0 A/TO, .3 steal
G. Rubio de la Rosa, Columbia: 33 min, 39% FG, 38.6% 3pt, 70% FT, 4.0 reb, 3.1 assts, 1.25 A/TO, 1.2 steal
Not sure how the league will treat freshmen players (eligibility) that are sophomores (academically) for this award.
Manon: 18.8 min, 11.8 ppg, 52% fg, 38% 3pt, 61% FT, 3.7 reb, 1.8 assts, .66 A/TO
Edited by PennFan10 on 03-02-22 02:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger69
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03-02-22 06:16 PM - Post#337955
In response to PennFan10
I’ll add Matt Allocco who will start next year as a sophomore and be an impact player before he graduates.
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welcometothejungle
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2022 ROY
03-02-22 07:03 PM - Post#337958
In response to Tiger69
I'd probably throw Yale's Matt Knowling into the ROY conversation over Allocco - Allocco had some really nice moments, but he did so in a pretty low usage role. Knowling became one of Yale's key pieces in conference play and averaged 11 and 6, and I thought his play was a huge part of their turnaround from an inconsistent non-conference
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iogyhufi
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-02-22 09:59 PM - Post#337962
In response to welcometothejungle
One point in favor of Knowling (especially vs. Allocco): Yale doesn't have a ton of offensive threats drawing defensive gravity away from him. It's a lot easier to produce when you're the fifth-most dangerous player on the floor at every time vs. when you're the third. Making things even harder, Yale frequently has multiple non-shooters on the floor, making it even harder for Knowling to have time to post up.
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bradley
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-03-22 09:23 AM - Post#337967
In response to SomeGuy
When you look at the two classes, it is a bit of a concern for the IL regarding the talent level based on who are the candidates. It may turn out that several of the identified players will develop into "star" player, i.e. Swain, Aiken, Brodeur, etc, but it is not a slam dunk based on their overall performances in year 1.
The league does need to recruit at a higher level post-COVID.
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PennFan10
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-03-22 11:14 AM - Post#337976
In response to welcometothejungle
I don't think Alloco or Knowling are serious considerations for ROY. Both have had great rookie campaigns but I think Lilly and Slajchert are the front runners.
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Tiger84
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03-03-22 01:54 PM - Post#337987
In response to Tiger69
I think Allocco is currently a soph (unlike Hooks, he did not take a gap year)
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PennFan10
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03-03-22 02:02 PM - Post#337988
In response to Tiger84
All of these candidates are listed as Sophomores except Lilly but for most it's their first year playing. I don't know how the league is going to handle that for these awards.
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palestra38
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03-03-22 02:16 PM - Post#337990
In response to PennFan10
Rookie does not imply freshman---but rather, first year player. I cannot imagine that the players who entered school last year are not eligible.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2022 ROY
03-03-22 07:33 PM - Post#338003
In response to PennFan10
I still think Manon.
Cornell will get representation on all-Ivy, regardless of nobody playing more than 20 minutes a game or so. Manon is not only a
candidate for ROY, but also for 2nd team or HM all-Ivy.
Knowling would be 4th on my list. After that, everyone is distant. Allocco is perfectly fine, but if him, why not George Smith? Or Bez Mbeng? There are a few guys contributing to the top teams at a similar (or higher) level than Allocco.
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Old Bear
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03-03-22 08:09 PM - Post#338008
In response to SomeGuy
I have to agree with 38’s view. I still think that Lily has earned it.
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Penndemonium
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03-03-22 11:17 PM - Post#338022
In response to palestra38
Every player in the league sort of feels like a rookie this year. Even the older ones.
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penn nation
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03-03-22 11:26 PM - Post#338023
In response to Penndemonium
I mean, Williams was/is a senior.
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PennFan10
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03-04-22 12:19 AM - Post#338024
In response to palestra38
What about Mosh? Does he qualify?
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palestra38
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03-04-22 07:06 AM - Post#338026
In response to PennFan10
Mosh played juco, Williams was on the team that played games for 3 years, although if it were pro sports, he would be eligible.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-14-22 06:22 PM - Post#339191
In response to palestra38
Jones is the COY.
He managed to arrange for Swain, Gabiddon and Alausa to take 2020-21 off.
Imagine Yale with out them!
He did let Atkinson slip away.
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