Untitled Document
Brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Penn Princeton Yale



 Page 4 of 7 « First<4567
Username Post: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy        (Topic#26118)
ToothlessTiger 
Senior
Posts: 332

Age: 76
Reg: 03-28-15
03-09-22 09:34 AM - Post#338498    
    In response to SomeGuy

I view the pick of Donahue as COY as hopelessly flawed. If we are using NFL coaching references the one that comes to mind is Johnny Unitas on Don Shula: "I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire."

 
ToothlessTiger 
Senior
Posts: 332

Age: 76
Reg: 03-28-15
03-09-22 09:34 AM - Post#338499    
    In response to ToothlessTiger

The editor got me. He did not say urinate

 
palestra38 
Professor
Posts: 32685

Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 10:59 AM - Post#338505    
    In response to Vonsid

While I would have given the COY to Henderson also, it's because that to me, there should be a presumption that the winning team's coach gets the COY absent something far more compelling than a Cornell team going 7-7 in the league. However, I don't think he necessarily outrecruited and outcoached the league--he had a remarkably healthy group of seniors--which is what wins in this League. They primarily were better one on one players and were more experienced than the opposition, which suffered heavy losses from the missed year, Covid and injuries. I imagine Yale would have finished first had it not lost Atkinson (and/or had Bruner sat out a year and played for Yale). Congrats to Henderson and Princeton, but the real recruiting and coaching test for Princeton will be next year, which it will be Tosan and a bunch of unknowns. We'll get to that after the Ivy and March Madness.

 
ToothlessTiger 
Senior
Posts: 332

Age: 76
Reg: 03-28-15
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 11:15 AM - Post#338509    
    In response to palestra38

Schwieger and Derosiers were losses as well who might have made the Tigers better.

 
SomeGuy 
Professor
Posts: 6391

Reg: 11-22-04
03-09-22 11:16 AM - Post#338510    
    In response to ToothlessTiger

Why do you hate Steve Donahue?

 
palestra38 
Professor
Posts: 32685

Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 11:19 AM - Post#338511    
    In response to ToothlessTiger

As good as Atkinson and Bruner? And of course, Harvard had pretty much everyone break down over their past 4 seasons. No one out-recruits Amaker.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
Postdoc
Posts: 2262
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 73
Loc: Sandy, Utah
Reg: 11-21-04
03-09-22 11:29 AM - Post#338512    
    In response to ToothlessTiger

  • ToothlessTiger Said:
"I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire."



Actually, "down his throat", not "on him".

I was shocked by this quotation, as I once had the opportunity to sit and talk with Johny U and Brooks Robinson together. I thought both to be true old school gentlemen, but the quotation is in fact correct (sorry I doubted you), and apparantly there was no love lost between Unitas and Don Shula.


 
iogyhufi 
Masters Student
Posts: 679

Age: 27
Reg: 10-10-17
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 11:44 AM - Post#338514    
    In response to palestra38

Yeah, Atkinson was HM All-ACC (and truly, he could've been more if Mike Brey had been forced to use him properly earlier in the season instead of letting his chump guards shoot 20 shots per game each) and Bruner was a starter for a top-ten team, whereas Desrosiers was HM All-Big West and Schwieger came off the bench for Loyola Chicago. No offense to those two, but there's really no comparison there.

 
SomeGuy 
Professor
Posts: 6391

Reg: 11-22-04
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 11:46 AM - Post#338515    
    In response to gokinsmen

I don’t think Nweke entering the transfer portal is indicative of much of anything. I assume a lot of seniors (including some of Princeton’s) will do so. They all have another year of eligibility (at least). Those who want to keep playing will be able to find a place to do so.

 
Old Bear 
Postdoc
Posts: 3988

Reg: 11-23-04
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 01:32 PM - Post#338525    
    In response to SomeGuy

I suspect that Gainey will be transferring as well.

 
ToothlessTiger 
Senior
Posts: 332

Age: 76
Reg: 03-28-15
03-09-22 03:05 PM - Post#338548    
    In response to SomeGuy

Do not hate SD. I just do not think he is in the COY conversation rhis year. Actually I think he is an excellent coach


 
SomeGuy 
Professor
Posts: 6391

Reg: 11-22-04
03-09-22 04:24 PM - Post#338563    
    In response to ToothlessTiger

Ok. I guess I misunderstood the meaning of the Unitas/Shula quote.

And for the record, I will reiterate that I think Henderson is a tremendous coach — and has out-coached Donahue in 6 straight head-to-heads. So when I say I go Earl, Donahue, Henderson for this year, I am just ranking coaches that I think are all deserving in various ways. Lots of arguments to be made in all directions.

 
palestra38 
Professor
Posts: 32685

Reg: 11-21-04
03-09-22 04:31 PM - Post#338566    
    In response to SomeGuy

Donahue clearly lost out in the last 3 games. Had Penn tied for the championship, he likely would have won.

 
Tiger81 
Masters Student
Posts: 409
Tiger81
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
03-09-22 05:04 PM - Post#338572    
    In response to palestra38

2022 All-Ivy Women’s Basketball

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
*Abby Meyers, Princeton (Sr., G — Potomac, Md.)

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Ellie Mitchell, Princeton (So., F — Chevy Chase, Md.)

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Harmoni Turner, Harvard (Fr., G — Mansfield, Texas)

COACH OF THE YEAR
Carla Berube, Princeton

FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
*Abby Meyers, Princeton (Sr., G — Potomac, Md.)
*Camilla Emsbo, Yale (Jr., F — Lakewood, Colo.)
Kaitlyn Davis, Columbia (Jr., G/F — Conn.)
Julia Cunningham, Princeton (Jr., G — Watchung, N.J.)
Kayla Padilla, Penn (Jr., G — Torrance, Calif.)

SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY
Abbey Hsu, Columbia (So., G — Parkland, Fla.)
Harmoni Turner, Harvard (Fr., G — Mansfield, Texas)
McKenzie Forbes, Harvard (Jr., G — Folsom, Calif.)
Jenna Clark, Yale (So., G — Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Jordan Obi, Penn (So., F — Cupertino, Calif.)

HONORABLE MENTION
Grace Stone, Princeton (Jr., G — Glen Cove, N.Y.)
Theresa Grace Mbanefo, Cornell (Sr., F — Otsego, Minn.)
Lola Mullaney, Harvard (So., G — Colts Neck, N.J.)

 
Tiger81 
Masters Student
Posts: 409
Tiger81
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
03-09-22 05:09 PM - Post#338573    
    In response to Tiger81

Ellie Mitchell is the best defensive player (and rebounder) in the league but does not even merit HM All-Ivy?

In any case, congrats to all of the honorees!

 
rbg 
Postdoc
Posts: 3044

Reg: 10-20-14
Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 05:42 PM - Post#338578    
    In response to Tiger81

I had Mitchell as #2 for DPOY and listed her for HM, but I would probably take her over every other player if I was starting a team. She has a Rodman-like knack for getting rebounds.

I went with Hsu over Padilla for 1st team, mostly because of the Lions overall success. I think Padilla continues to be a great scorer and improved in her ability to get the ball to others. However, I dropped her to second team because of the early season suspension and Penn not making the tournament.

I thought MH would get the COY honors on the men's side, but I am really glad to see Brian Earl get the nod. I think he's the most underrated coach in the league and it's about time he got the recognition. I don't know if it's in his best interest, but I hope he sticks around Cornell for a long time.

No matter my personal reasoning and choices, the league's results are totally understandable and appropriate. Congratulations to all those on both lists.



Edited by rbg on 03-09-22 05:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1842

Age: 74
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 06:50 PM - Post#338588    
    In response to rbg

Good analogy as to Mitchell's style of play being Rodman like. I am not sure if I would pick Myers or Mitchell as the 1st player in a pick up game but it is tough for some to pick Mitchell as 1st or 2nd team based on stats. A great reason as to why stats can be deceiving for sure. If someone watched all IL games, Mitchell would have been a 1st or possibly 2nd team player. Berube defensive coaching skills might also distort the selection process.

Choosing Padilla or Hsu is like selecting Jaelin or Wright -- could have gone either way. I would have given the slight edge to Padilla as Hsu disappeared against the Tigers. Padilla is a more dangerous player with her ball handling and passer skills.


But overall, the coaches did a good job on the men and women selections. Several teams will have most of their players back next year and I would anticipate that the Ivy women's conference will be stronger next year.

 
SecS3 
Junior
Posts: 246

Age: 75
Reg: 03-17-16
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 10:23 PM - Post#338606    
    In response to bradley

I think that neither Mitchell or Chen being at least HM is a joke. Are you telling me the coaches in this league really believe that Mullaney and Mbanefo are better players? If so, then it's no wonder no one can beat Princeton 'cause they don't know talent when it beats them.

 
penn nation 
Professor
Posts: 21086

Reg: 12-02-04
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-09-22 11:04 PM - Post#338616    
    In response to SecS3

Eh, that logic doesn't necessarily hold.

If you only looked at the men's honors you'd think that Brown would have made the ILT instead of tying for 6th.



 
SecS3 
Junior
Posts: 246

Age: 75
Reg: 03-17-16
Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy
03-10-22 12:09 AM - Post#338629    
    In response to penn nation

Ummm...What logic is that?

 
 Page 4 of 7 « First<4567
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

18107 Views




Copyright © 2004-2012 Basketball U. Terms of Use for our Site and Privacy Policy are applicable to you. All rights reserved.
Basketball U. and its subsidiaries are not affiliated in any way with any NCAA athletic conference or member institution.
FusionBB™ Version 2.1 | ©2003-2007 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.293 seconds.   Total Queries: 16   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0500) Eastern. Current time is 04:37 AM
Top