Tiger81
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03-10-22 10:01 AM - Post#338638
In response to SecS3
SecS3 - I’m with you, seems like the WBB coaches were trying to spread as much recognition as possible without necessarily picking the actual highest-impact performers over the past season.
It is not credible that Mitchell and Chen were not included at least as HM. Four other sophs and a freshman were honored so the “wait your turn” rationalization does not apply here.
In his weekly “Make Shots” podcast Coach Henderson said he was disappointed that Ethan Wright did not make first team MBB All-Ivy. Placing 3 Tigers on the first team in a closely-contested season would have been a stretch. Not so, however, for Coach Berube’s squad, which dominated the Ivies this year.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-10-22 11:55 AM - Post#338653
In response to SecS3
I did watch every Tiger game for the men and the women. Ellie Mitchell was clearly the best defensive player on a team that won every game by double digit and had more than 30 single digit yields. She was statistically the best rebounder in the league. How one could vote for her as DPOY but not place her among the 10 all-Ivy players is unfathomable. Chen will be a first teamer soon.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-10-22 11:56 AM - Post#338654
In response to ToothlessTiger
Single digit yields in quarters.
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Tiger84
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03-10-22 12:46 PM - Post#338662
In response to ToothlessTiger
Is it possible that each team was limited to three nominees for POY, and that Coach Berube decided to get all five of her starters on one ballot or another, by nominating Ellie for DPOY and Kaitlyn for ROY?
If so, this all makes sense...but Chen was going to have a hard time beating Turner for RoY and probably would have gotten more votes than Stone if nominated.
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scoop85
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03-10-22 02:10 PM - Post#338668
In response to Tiger84
While both Earl and Henderson should have been in the conversation for COY, I think Earl was the best choice based on this criteria: before the season would anyone here have been too surprised that Princeton was 1st in the regular season? On the other hand, no one picked Cornell to make the ILT, having no returning starters from a team that finished in the bottom half in 2020.
So for me the COY is the one who’s team truly surpassed expectations, and based on that Earl is the clear choice.
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palestra38
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03-10-22 02:19 PM - Post#338669
In response to scoop85
I agree he did a great job. But 7-7 just gets in because Harvard and Brown underachieved.
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TigerFan
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Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy 03-10-22 04:40 PM - Post#338676
In response to scoop85
Princeton was picked to finish third in the pre-season poll and finished first. Cornell was picked to finish 7th and finished fourth. Negligible difference in terms of beating expectations, if that is your thing. COY for a mediocre 7-7 league record just doesn’t sit right with me. Mitch deserved it.
Edited by TigerFan on 03-10-22 04:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy 03-10-22 04:56 PM - Post#338683
In response to TigerFan
Cornell earned their way to the ILT by winning against the top two teams in the league.
Gotta be Earl given his team versus Princeton that had a whole upperclass bunch who had already played together.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Predictions for 2021-22 All-Ivy 03-10-22 05:39 PM - Post#338688
In response to TigerFan
The difference is greater than that. Princeton basically finished within the range of where one would expect. Their Pomeroy rating would have them in 3rd place a lot of years. This year it was enough to win. But you could argue that Yale and Harvard were just below expectations.
Cornell, on the other hand, looked like a 350ish team (like Columbia). Instead, they turned out to be a top 200 team. That is a massive difference.
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PennFan10
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03-10-22 07:10 PM - Post#338693
In response to SomeGuy
You guys are all making up criteria that literally are not part of any metric to determine coach of the year. There are 8 coaches who vote and they all determine subjectively who they think it should be. The one with the most votes wins. It’s not specifically KP, who beat who, or performance vs expectations, it’s part of all of these or whatever each coach thinks is important. Shoot, it may even have been that Mitch asked everyone to vote for his former protege. We don’t know.
I would have voted for Mitch as 12-2 is hard to do and he was 4-2 against the ILT teams (Cornell was 2-4)
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penn nation
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03-10-22 08:09 PM - Post#338695
In response to PennFan10
I would have voted for Mitch as 12-2 is hard to do and he was 4-2 against the ILT teams (Cornell was 2-4)
Cornell was picked to finish 7th.
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bradley
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03-10-22 08:52 PM - Post#338697
In response to PennFan10
Good point. Brian and Mitch are good friends and perhaps, Mitch may have lobbied for Brian.
After Sydney left, a number of players lobbied for Earl but he was pretty young. Mitch winds up with the job and keeps Brian on his staff. The rest is history.
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bradley
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03-10-22 08:54 PM - Post#338698
In response to PennFan10
Good point. Brian and Mitch are good friends and perhaps, Mitch may have lobbied for Brian.
After Sydney left, a number of players lobbied for Earl but he was pretty young. Mitch winds up with the job and keeps Brian on his staff. The rest is history.
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Tiger81
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03-11-22 03:20 PM - Post#338728
In response to bradley
IHO has published its Ivy honors …
https://ivyhoopsonline.com/
MBB was very similar to the coaches’ voting, except Jaelin and Ethan were switched, Dean Noll was not included, there were no HMs, and Mitch and Brian shared COY. All of those adjustments worked for me.
Tiger fans, however, will be flummoxed by the WBB honors. Meyers 1st team (and POY), Cunningham 2nd team, and … that’s it. No COY for Berube or DPOY for Mitchell. In a year where Princeton thoroughly dominated the league, the top 5 teams were equally represented on both the first and second teams.
If Princeton’s talent was at such parity you would think that would at least result in COY recognition but apparently not.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-14-22 07:28 PM - Post#339195
In response to Tiger81
And is picking the Tigers for third (at best) next year.
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Tiger84
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03-15-22 11:49 AM - Post#339256
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Third seems reasonable expectation for the Tigers. The only rotation players coming back are Evbuomwan, Langborg and Allocco. Maybe Jack Scott can contribute from day 1. Maybe Hooks and Martini will be ready to contribute. Maybe Kellman is healthy. Maybe some JV guys like Byriel and Gakwasi emerge. That's a lot of question marks. But as we saw this year, get into the Top 4 and anything can happen.
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SomeGuy
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03-15-22 12:03 PM - Post#339258
In response to Tiger84
Wasn’t Garrett Johnson supposed to be an immediate contributor?
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-15-22 06:50 PM - Post#339271
In response to SomeGuy
In the blur of the last two years, I have no recollection. Has he matriculated?
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SomeGuy
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03-15-22 06:57 PM - Post#339272
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
He’s on the website roster. Word was he was practicing in The Fall with the team and would be in the rotation. I think he got hurt, but I’m not positive.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-15-22 07:30 PM - Post#339282
In response to Tiger84
If Kellman is healthy the Tigers can claw their way back in.
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