final479
Freshman
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
06-15-23 10:26 AM - Post#356806
In response to AsiaSunset
Well said. The concern is that fishing in the same ponds as the other mid-tier Ivies does not bode well for Penn's ability to compete at the highest level of the league, and outside of the league.
Unfortunately, it seems that's where the program is right now. I have no idea whether another coaching staff could do any better.
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
06-15-23 10:40 AM - Post#356807
In response to final479
Unless we decided to hire a big name, big money coach like Amaker, I don't think anything will change. The AI prevents Penn from competing for different players than HYP. While I love Penn, the brands of HYP are stronger for an undergraduate degree and the money available for tuition assistance and NILs is greater as well. You would need someone like a Pitino to change that. It isn't going to happen, nor does the Penn administration really care that it won't. We had the lightning in the bottle with Dingle, but blew it. I expect Steve to continue making the playoff, but barely and without a championship.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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06-15-23 02:03 PM - Post#356810
In response to besnoah
Well, in the last few classes, we have very few recruits that were looking at other Ivies. Larson and Smith were kind of in the basic Ivy pool (though I think only Larson had significant other Ivy interest). But that’s about it. We’ve lost some head to heads with HYP, and we lost a couple to Columbia in last years freshman class. But we haven’t really been on the basic New England scene (outside of NMH) to the point of offering a whole lot. We’ve been fishing elsewhere, particularly out west.
Is that what you mean that you disagree with? Because while you say you understand my argument and disagree, I find that I don’t understand your’s.
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-21-04
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06-15-23 02:07 PM - Post#356811
In response to SomeGuy
Maybe a coincidence but I saw on Twitter today that we contacted a bunch of ‘25 prospects very recently.
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Jeff2sf
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-22-04
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06-15-23 02:17 PM - Post#356812
In response to AsiaSunset
you guys are trying to argue and get lost in the weeds. The guy who cooks the meals also buys the groceries. I don't give a crap whether the groceries are rancid or he burns the food, the end product isn't enough.
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 574
Reg: 11-22-04
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2024 Recruiting
06-15-23 05:17 PM - Post#356816
In response to Jeff2sf
Chef Steve is neither a great cook nor a great shopper!
Edited by Penn90 on 06-15-23 05:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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2024 Recruiting
06-15-23 07:23 PM - Post#356818
In response to Penn90
Recruiting is very hard to judge, as we are typically judging talent that is three star and below - and sometimes we find no-star recruits that become better than the three star ones. Still, in the Dunphy days we could typically see that we had one of the top recruiting classes in the league year after year. In the Miller years, we had many recruits we were excited about, but they didn't perform - whether due to injuries and leaving the team. In the Allen years, we had a few good ones, but just an overall lack of a cohesive program.
I don't know if Steve is a great chef, but least he keeps an organized kitchen. The last two coaches couldn't even do that. Still, he needs to be a better. A top chef is OCD in every aspect of their trade - no matter how small. The Keller types are the ones that make championships. Donahue seems a bit too normal and rational to be delusionally exceptional.
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jeromelh
Junior
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Reg: 03-30-17
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
06-15-23 07:30 PM - Post#356819
In response to palestra38
Hi Palestra
I agree with much of what you say. I am a Princeton grad and I attended many receptions for Princeton acceptees in the spring. More than once, I met a student who told me that they were interested in business and had been accepted by Penn as well.
Now Princeton has no business school and Penn has one of the top 5 business schools in the US. So why go to Princeton? Yet they still decided to attend Princeton which makes no sense to me. It was still a matter of reputation. Penn runs into the same problem with basketball recruiting and I don't know if there is an easy answer.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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06-15-23 07:55 PM - Post#356820
In response to Jeff2sf
Now I am lost in analogies.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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06-16-23 03:39 PM - Post#356827
In response to SomeGuy
The chef analogy was overcooked?
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weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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Age: 64
Loc: New York City
Reg: 12-14-09
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06-16-23 07:01 PM - Post#356831
In response to Penndemonium
Underseasoned. Needs more spices.
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91Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1126
Reg: 11-22-04
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07-07-23 11:10 AM - Post#357128
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Caleb Williams committed to Georgetown in late June. Best of luck!
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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07-08-23 02:39 PM - Post#357140
In response to 91Quake
I love this. Sidwell Friends to Georgetown makes a lot of sense.
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besnoah
Masters Student
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Reg: 12-14-05
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07-08-23 06:24 PM - Post#357142
In response to Penndemonium
More great news while we’re celebrating Penn not landing its targets! Taj Degourville also committed elsewhere!
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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07-09-23 09:33 PM - Post#357166
In response to besnoah
I guess I never really thought Caleb Williams was coming to Penn. The clue was when one of his parents pretty much told us that at the end of the prior season.
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besnoah
Masters Student
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Reg: 12-14-05
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07-10-23 06:18 PM - Post#357195
In response to Penndemonium
In my defense, I’ve tried to pretty consistently explain that none of the best players Penn’s recruiting are coming here, but I still get frustrated when it happens.
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91Quake
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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07-12-23 02:42 PM - Post#357221
In response to besnoah
Offered Dominic Pangonas 6'6" G from Ontario. Offers from Bradley, Holy Cross, Old Dominion, Wyoming. Visited Princeton, Drexel, and Brown. Lots of other interest.
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besnoah
Masters Student
Posts: 803
Reg: 12-14-05
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2024 Recruiting
07-16-23 05:35 PM - Post#357280
In response to 91Quake
Former NMH guard Luka Toews, whom Penn offered two years ago, commits to BC.
Edited by besnoah on 07-16-23 05:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
Masters Student
Posts: 423
Reg: 10-11-18
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
07-17-23 12:53 PM - Post#357287
In response to besnoah
Sad to see NMH-Penn pipeline end, was prolific over the years.
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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08-16-23 11:26 AM - Post#357615
In response to CM
Anyone else wondering why Penn didn't make the top 3 of local standout Ryan Williams from Malvern prep?
Instead Columbia is the Ivy rep in his top 3, along with Iona and Fairfield. Looks like he was leading scored of the Inter-Ac as a soph, is on the very good AAU squad Philly Pride, and Paul Romanczuk is literally now his coach.
https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
I'm not saying he is the next Jordan Dingle, but shouldn't a local Philly kid like this be an absolute no brainer all things considered?
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