palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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11-09-22 04:28 PM - Post#346174
In response to PennFan10
I don't know that we had a top quality transfer as did Iona. But the real issue is how long will it take for Dingle and Slajchert to recover fully from their injuries and get into basketball shape.
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PennFan10
Postdoc
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11-09-22 04:49 PM - Post#346177
In response to palestra38
Couple games probably. I am guessing we will see Dingle more like Dingle on Friday in Missouri. It was telling he was the first sub out for SD. Means they are trying to limit his minutes early, otherwise you don't take your best guy out as the first sub after 3 min of the first game
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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11-09-22 06:09 PM - Post#346182
In response to Condor
We’re not going to shoot 3-25 very often. By when we do, we will lose. Some of that needs to be credited to Iona’s defense, of course, but we didn’t just forget how to shoot it. And for
All our problems with turnovers, we weren’t turning it over during the stretch where we lost the game. We just missed a million shots over the last 10 minutes of the first half. Everything looks better when the ball goes in the basket, and we played a high variance shoot the 3 type of game, and we got the low end of the variance. Don’t read too much into that. It’s like Bobby Abreu starting 3 for 27 every year and everybody going crazy over it.
One thing that does concern me, though, is the defense. We still have the problem that our best two offensive players are a little redundant (Dingle and Clark), and both are vulnerable to penetration on the defensive end. I continue to think our best setup is to mostly use Clark to spell Dingle rather than using them in tandem. I’d love to be proven wrong on this, because in many ways Clark is our second best player, but I would prefer some of what others bring in terms of size, defense, rebounding, etc.
That said, as P38 points out, injuries may be at play. Both guys played well defensively at the start of the game, but seemed to wear down (along with everybody else). So maybe it will look different on both sides of the ball once they get their sea legs.
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PennFan10
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11-09-22 08:04 PM - Post#346184
In response to SomeGuy
Well we were ranked dead last in the Ivy League last year in 3pt shooting at 30.8%. So it's not like we remember how to shoot the 3 at this point.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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11-09-22 08:53 PM - Post#346185
In response to PennFan10
Yes, but if we shot 31% Monday, this was a 13 (or less if we got a couple of stops because Iona had to inbound rather than getting a rebound and runout) point loss to a team that never loses at home, and the game feels totally different. Instead, we shot 12% from 3 (and worse than that while the game was in play).
Another weird stat — by my count we went 1 for 21 from the field at one point in the middle of the game. If I added that right, it means we shot 50% for the significant stretches at the start and finish. Obviously it all counts and you are what you’re total numbers say you are, but we may have just been the victim of an epically awful shooting stretch.
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penn nation
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Iona game...
11-09-22 09:05 PM - Post#346186
In response to SomeGuy
The final 10 minutes of the first half were ridiculously awful.
We were up 17-11 at the 10:44 mark after a MLL hoop.
We then went 0 for 6 with 3 turnovers before Dingle hit 2 FTs at the 5:21 mark. By that point, we were already down, 22-19.
One turnover later, we hit our first hoop since the 10:44 mark (Slajchert, 4:33 to play). By that time the score was 26-21.
We then went scoreless for the remainder of the half on 0 for 7 shooting, 2 missed FTs (on a shooting foul) and a turnover. At the half we were down 34-21.
And then we don't score for the first 4:21 of the second half (0 for 5, 2 turnovers) until Dingle hit a hoop. By that time it was already ballgame at 23-47.
Edited by penn nation on 11-09-22 09:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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UPIA1968
PhD Student
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Loc: Cornwall, PA
Reg: 11-20-06
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11-09-22 10:40 PM - Post#346188
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I can't accept the apologies for Penn being out-quicked. That might hold against Missouri next week or Villanova. Iona is just the kind of Mid Major we want Penn to be. We should be recruiting the same level of players.
As to the claim that this game is an outlier: We will know much more by the Drexel game after three contests against mid-major teams. Penn should be competitive against both Towsen and Drexel.
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Condor
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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11-10-22 10:14 AM - Post#346191
In response to UPIA1968
I can't accept the apologies for Penn being out-quicked. That might hold against Missouri next week or Villanova. Iona is just the kind of Mid Major we want Penn to be. We should be recruiting the same level of players.
As to the claim that this game is an outlier: We will know much more by the Drexel game after three contests against mid-major teams. Penn should be competitive against both Towsen and Drexel.
Shouldn't we be competitive against everyone?
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UPIA1968
PhD Student
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11-10-22 09:58 PM - Post#346273
In response to Condor
Of course I want Penn to be competitive against everybody. It's just that I want Penn to match up well against Mid-Majors like Iona and Townson.
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