palestra38
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11-27-22 06:50 PM - Post#347164
Win or lose, we're back. We can play with good mid-majors and match them in scoring. Jameer Jr is incredible, but we have more guys who can do damage. Great game at 2nd TO in 2nd half, Penn by 1, 60-59.
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palestra38
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 06:57 PM - Post#347165
In response to palestra38
Spinoso is a superior passer. Penn 68-60.
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palestra38
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 07:23 PM - Post#347166
In response to palestra38
Just a great win...86-73. Donahue wins his 100th at Penn. And what it showed is that Penn's deep bench gives them a lot of energy at the end of games that other teams find hard to match.
Let's roll through the Big Five!
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 07:38 PM - Post#347167
In response to palestra38
I liked what I saw of the team this weekend. Dingle and Slajchert were totally locked in, Martz has picked up the offensive contributions and Spinoso is playing with confidence.
The defense kept two good mid-major teams (Colgate and Delaware) in check.
Now let's see how we match up with our Big 5 foes.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 07:42 PM - Post#347168
In response to palestra38
Great weekend. By kenpom, we got the #1 and #5 wins in the league this season the last two days. Up to 157, which means we’ve moved up since the season started.
Thought the defense was shakier today, but we did clamp down late. Was a game where no Smith hurts. Not that Smith could stop Nelson, either, but it gives another body, particularly when Monroe had some foul trouble. Pretty remarkable that Dingle had to guard him quite a bit, which is the sort of matchup we usually avoid. Clark had him for a possession or two late as well. Didn’t seem to impact them on the other end.
I continue to like the different styles of our centers, which I think wears on people. Spinoso looked like AJ on offense today.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 08:24 PM - Post#347171
In response to SomeGuy
Thought the defense was shakier today, but we did clamp down late. Was a game where no Smith hurts. Not that Smith could stop Nelson, either, but it gives another body, particularly when Monroe had some foul trouble. Pretty remarkable that Dingle had to guard him quite a bit, which is the sort of matchup we usually avoid. Clark had him for a possession or two late as well. Didn’t seem to impact them on the other end.
Yeah, Hens did put up 1.11 ppp, which is tied with their game against Hartford for their best offensive output in a game so far. We also gave them way too many offensive rebounds.
Jameer going the full 40 on his third straight day of play probably helped us down the stretch, because it looked liked he tired, with that missed dunk he had as an indicator—just didn’t quite have the legs left to get up and finish it.
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Condor
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Re: Delaware
11-27-22 08:25 PM - Post#347172
In response to Chip Bayers
8 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 1 Blk, and 0 TO’s for Monroe as well. He and Spinoso were definitely looking to score inside. This coupled with the great weekend for Dingle, Slajchert, and Martz is encouraging. I also agree with SomeGuy about the impact of the different center styles. Congratulations to the team for winning the first Cathedral Classic.
Edited by Condor on 11-27-22 08:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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UPIA1968
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11-27-22 09:44 PM - Post#347177
In response to Condor
We see now that Penn can play superior offense for more than one game. That is the mark of a mid-100s team. To move lower, we will need to see them beat a good team when not shooting 46 and 47% from three. Nobody shoots that well on average.
Nonetheless, it looks now that Jordan, Clark, Nick, and Max have improved, maybe so others as well. With a bit more defense this team could slip down toward 100.
By, the way, Princeton hasn't beaten anyone this year. Their ranking means little so far.
Yale extended Colorado - lost by a bucket on the road. They appear to be for real. Cornell has started well. We will know more about them after they play Delaware this week.
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Chip Bayers
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Delaware
11-27-22 10:31 PM - Post#347179
In response to UPIA1968
Yale extended Colorado - lost by a bucket on the road. They appear to be for real. Cornell has started well. We will know more about them after they play Delaware this week.
Colorado has been the very definition of high variance, beating Tennessee and losing to Grambling, scoring 103 one night, and 55 another. So it depends on which version of that team Yale actually played.
Cornell’s wins are over KenPom 325, 297, and 309.
Overall the league as a whole continues to look pretty mediocre in the early going.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 11-27-22 10:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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11-27-22 11:18 PM - Post#347180
In response to Chip Bayers
Nothing like a couple of unbelievable shooting performances to skew the stats, but quite a scoring duo we have at the guard position, probably in quite some time. And these are not volume scorers, either.
Of course, if the opposition can stop either one in a game, that is probably all it will take at this point to stop the Quakers given they account for well over 50% of the team scoring.
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CM
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Re: Delaware
11-28-22 08:03 AM - Post#347184
In response to palestra38
I'd agree with you, except SD only went three deep into the bench and his sub patterns were insane. Every starter played over 30 minutes and bench only accounted for 3 points.
From a player's point of view I cannot imagine how frustrating playing for this type of coach must be, players off the bench are often only in for a minute or two and then subbed out for no apparent reason. As long as Slaichert and Dingle stay this hot it won't be an issue, but to me this is not the way to prepare a team as a holistic unit.
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palestra38
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Re: Delaware
11-28-22 08:18 AM - Post#347185
In response to CM
Yes, but he played everyone the prior 2 games. He really wanted to win yesterday, and with everyone playing that well and winning the game going away, it's tough to complain.
Clearly, Steve is going to play his upperclassmen the majority of minutes with Spinoso the only underclassman to get significant time. I don't expect this to change unless there are injuries. There is a slot for one guard to get some minutes, who will be George Smith once he has recovered from his face slam.
Next year, there will be a lot of minutes to fill.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Delaware
11-28-22 08:36 AM - Post#347189
In response to CM
What was insane about the sub pattern in this one? Like a lot of coaches, he went with his starters basically as long as fouls allowed. At the guard spots, he played Charles for any minutes the guard starters didn’t play. No one minute stints there to speak of.
Same up front. Spinoso came out when he had to for MLL. Mosh played a few for Martz. In this game, there was hardly any offense/defense. Just a couple possessions where he did it with Mosh for Spinoso.
Why is it any more frustrating to play for Donahue than Henderson, who often just rides 6-7 guys? Or than Earl, who always plays lots of guys and used to spend entire games making offense/defense substitutions at every stoppage? Sitting on the bench and getting subbed in and out is part of the experience on every college basketball team that ever was.
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Condor
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Re: Delaware
11-28-22 11:53 AM - Post#347197
In response to SomeGuy
It seems like an odd time to complain about the coaching. SD has won 5 out of 6 games (the only loss at #29 WVU without their best player) with double digit wins against #106 Colgate and #182 Delaware. Other than Yale, the last two teams are probably as good or better than any Ivy team.
Some things to like about the Delaware game besides the lights-out shooting numbers were TO’s were down to 9 with a 2.3 A/T rate, the 3 starters other than JD and CS were contributors on offense, and we won the game by double digits. I will give Nelson his 30 pts with 21 attempts, but 15 rebounds by Ray was an area for improvement.
Part II of the III part season starts Wednesday.
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palestra38
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Re: Delaware
11-28-22 12:01 PM - Post#347198
In response to Condor
I'm really looking forward to an old-fashioned Big 5 doubleheader Wednesday with LaSalle-Temple at 6 and Penn-St. Joe's at 8:30. Like us, St. Joe's is a guard oriented team--we may have an advantage with Spinoso inside. Like Delaware, they have a Big 5 descendant in Lynn Greer III.
Should be interesting--have to think we'll be about a 5 point favorite. Good opportunity to scout LaSalle and Temple, which we play each of the next two Saturdays (both day games, which I detest).
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Penndemonium
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11-28-22 04:07 PM - Post#347207
In response to palestra38
I was one of the people who raised coaching questions - but to be clear, I don't really think I know better than the coaches on matters of play strategy and substitution. I'm just doing my normal Sunday morning armchair coach and commentator routine.
Impressed by how active Spinoso is. High motor. MLL has looked OK, but would like to see his feet constantly moving like Spinoso's and for him to use his lower and upper body with more force. It would be nice for him to become a rebounding and space eating machine in the paint. He's got the tools.
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palestra38
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11-28-22 04:26 PM - Post#347209
In response to Penndemonium
Clark Slajchert's stats to date are unworldly.
56% shooting from 2
43% shooting from 3
94% from the line
And that is after going 1-8 in the opener. And someone else is going to get him for a 5th year, in all probability
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SomeGuy
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11-28-22 05:18 PM - Post#347212
In response to palestra38
The flip side of some of the gaudy shooting stats for our stars: take out Dingle, Slajchert, and Martz, and we shoot 50% from the line as a team. 29 for 57. That’s how we can be only 73% as a team despite having our two guys who get to the line most shooting over 90%.
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palestra38
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11-28-22 05:24 PM - Post#347213
In response to SomeGuy
Spinoso is the worst offender so far, but at least he is over 50% from the field. I think the guys shooting badly so far have relatiely few shots, so I think they will improve. But Dingle and Slajchert are great foul shooters.
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OldBig5
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11-28-22 09:12 PM - Post#347215
In response to palestra38
Have not seen much of the team this year but nice to see them get some wins after a rough start.
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