SomeGuy
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02-12-23 01:37 PM - Post#351459
In response to penn nation
Doesn’t Penn flip the tie breaking scenarios if they get to 8 wins (at least the ones that could leave them in 5th)? If they beat Brown, they have the tiebreaker against Brown, both head to head and in most three way scenarios. If they lose to Brown and still get to 8 wins, that means they will beat either Yale or Princeton (or both), which would address the issue they have in other tiebreaker scenarios. I assume that is what Benz is seeing.
Of course, getting to 8 wins isn’t going to be easy for Penn.
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iogyhufi
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02-12-23 01:50 PM - Post#351462
In response to SomeGuy
You're pretty much correct. I can only think of one 8-6 three-way tie that Penn would lose if they beat Brown. If Penn beats Brown and one of YALE/PRIN and loses the rest, Dartmouth goes 3-1, and Brown goes 2-2, then the H2H tiebreaker doesn't resolve anything because each team is 2-2 against the group, so it would go to record against top teams, which is where Penn is in trouble.
But even then, once one of the three teams "wins" the tiebreaker, the process restarts at H2H with the remaining teams, so Penn only falls out if Brown is the team that comes out first. The scenarios are complicated, but let's just say that it's very unlikely that Brown would come out first.
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Stuart Suss
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02-12-23 02:13 PM - Post#351464
In response to iogyhufi
Everyone can play out tiebreakers and scenarios here.
The home team is listed first. The team favored to win appears in RED in the background color. Change the team you predict to win by clicking on that team to turn their background color to RED.
It seems to be accurate.
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Streamers
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02-12-23 03:04 PM - Post#351472
In response to Stuart Suss
This is really helpful. Two immediate takeaways - Yale winning out actually helps Penn by taking Brown out unless they sweep this weekend and a Penn sweep this weekend makes them almost a lock for the tournament regardless.
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TheLine
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Men's Basketball- Half way
02-13-23 02:45 PM - Post#351544
In response to Streamers
Cornell and Dartmouth seem to do well in tiebreaker situations. They both have upcoming games against Columbia, Harvard and each other - it gives them reasonable paths to closing with 3 wins in the next 4 games.
The winner of the Penn-Brown game is in good shape. The loser not so much. Brown seems in when beating Penn plus winning one other game. Penn seems in by beating Brown and Dartmouth.
Yale and/or Princeton losing 3 of the next 4 creates a mess. Yale and Princeton don't do well if that happens.
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palestra38
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Re: Men's Basketball- Half way
02-13-23 02:51 PM - Post#351545
In response to TheLine
So isn't Ivy Madness a great thing?
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