iogyhufi
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02-19-23 12:33 AM - Post#352047
As the end of the season approaches, it's time to start thinking about who's going to get all-league honors. I have to say, I think this is a harder call than usual, but here's who I have at this point. Players are listed in no particular order, and please feel free to tell me I'm nuts:
PoY - Jordan Dingle
RoY - Caden Pierce? (I gotta be honest, I'm not sure who to give this to at all)
DPoY - EJ Jarvis
CoY - James Jones (or whoever wins the league)
1st team:
Jordan Dingle
Tosan Evbuomwan
Chris Ledlum
Kino Lilly
Matt Knowling
2nd team:
Dame Adelekun
Nazir Williams
August Mahoney
Matt Allocco
Max Martz
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Chip Bayers
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02-19-23 12:52 AM - Post#352052
In response to iogyhufi
This looks like a great first pass pending final two games.
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TheLine
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02-19-23 09:25 AM - Post#352066
In response to Chip Bayers
Other players for consideration :
Dolan
Jarvis
Wojcik
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penn nation
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02-19-23 10:29 AM - Post#352079
In response to TheLine
Yeah, I'm not so sure any Quaker makes it to the 2nd team. Spinoso has slightly better offensive stats than Martz in league play and higher scoring average per game despite playing considerably fewer minutes. And Slajchert had a great beginning and is coming on very strong at the end but in the middle injuries really took their toll.
Any number of solid contenders from other teams to make 2nd team. If Penn does indeed end up with the title, and Martz/Slajchert/Spinoso are instrumental in the final two games in this respect, then that could be the rationale.
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Silver Maple
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02-19-23 12:11 PM - Post#352092
In response to penn nation
I could make a case for Lucas Monroe for HM.
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penn nation
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02-19-23 06:13 PM - Post#352138
In response to Silver Maple
I could make a case for Lucas Monroe for HM.
Yes, agreed.
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LocalTiger
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03-05-23 09:33 AM - Post#353132
In response to penn nation
Now that the season is over, it remains true that this is a tough year
to make selections. They should probably wait until after the Tournament, but that raises fairness issues for the players who are done.
Yale won the League, but their balance and Knowling's injury
means I don't see them having a first team guy. My first team would be:
Tosan Evbuomwan- Princeton
Jordan Dingle- Penn
Chris Ledlum- Harvard
Kino Lilly- Brown
Dame Adelekun- Dartmouth
Second Team:
Matt Knowling- Yale
E. J. Jarvis- Yale
Chris Dolan- Cornell
Chris Wojcik- Brown
Caden Pierce- Princeton
Honorlable Mention-
Rubio deLaRosa- Columbia
Bez Mbeng- Yale
Matt Allocco- Princeton
POY_ Tosan Evbuomwan
ROY- Caden Pierce- Princeton
DPOY- E. J.Jarvis- Yale
COY_ Jones- Yale
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Condor
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03-05-23 11:04 AM - Post#353144
In response to LocalTiger
On POY, I would have said Jordan after the 1st half yesterday, but Tosan probably earned it when he led Princeton to its second win over Penn. I am ok with your other choices. I think I would add Martz to the Honorable Mention section. Also, were I making the choice, I would put Knowling on the 1st team and Ledlum 2nd team. However, Knowling’s injury probably knocks him down to 2nd team.
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Tiger81
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03-05-23 11:57 AM - Post#353147
In response to LocalTiger
Those selections makes sense, although I would probably flip Pierce to HM and Allocco to 2nd team. They are both gritty and clutch two-way players but IMHO Allocco has played a bigger leadership role in Princeton’s success this season.
Mitch Henderson has done a stellar job this year after replacing three senior starters and incorporating three freshman plus Keeshawn Kellman into the rotation. But Coach Jones at Yale also did a great job this year and has owned the Tigers so he probably gets the nod for COY.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-05-23 01:21 PM - Post#353152
In response to Tiger81
The only award I feel very strongly about us ROY. Caden Pierce has had a remarkable rookie season, .
starting every game, in itself a tremendous accomplishment. He is a ferocious rebounder with an uncanny ability to get to the ball. He is efficient on offense and steps up in big spots. He owned the OT period yesterday.
I love Tosan but will give the POY nod to
Dingle. His body of work is the best I have seen. Best player on a tournament qualifier.
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Old Bear
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03-05-23 02:16 PM - Post#353157
In response to LocalTiger
I agree with your choices but based on the second half of the season, I might argue that Pax Wojcik deserves first team. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coaches agreed.Ask J Jones, he had 25 points, eight rebounds, four assists, three steals, and only one turnover last night. It was his third 20+ points game in a row.
Edited by Old Bear on 03-05-23 02:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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LocalTiger
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03-05-23 02:34 PM - Post#353162
In response to Old Bear
I thought about that, Old Bear.
My guess is that only one Brown guy makes it, and Lilly
also had a great year and was already a recognized star.
I would not quarrel with Wojcik making it.
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SomeGuy
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03-05-23 03:31 PM - Post#353170
In response to LocalTiger
Pierce seems like a lock for ROY, but I suspect that is all he gets. Too many deserving players for 2nd team who won’t be winning anything else (including Allocco and Langborg on his own team).
On DPY, I am curious if Jarvis is the Yale nominee. Seems to me it could Mbeng.
POY is obviously a two man race. I lean Dingle, since he hasn’t won it before, and he has the otherworldly scoring numbers. But Tosan is a senior and his team won the head to head matchups.
I think Knowling gets the last first team slot over Adelekun.
Finally, COY. I’m not sure Jones deserves it. Great comeback to win the league, but on the other hand, the #68 kenpom team probably shouldn’t have to come back to win the conference in the first place. To me, they underachieved. None of the other coaches really stood out, either, in a season with a lot of parity. So my pick is the coach of the one team that overachieved in the conference season — Dartmouth’s David McLaughlin. Yes, he sometimes looks like Will Farrell when he gets outraged by calls. But they came darn close to the last spot with a team that had lost a lot from last year. Second for me is probably Mike Martin.
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Naismith
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03-05-23 03:48 PM - Post#353173
In response to SomeGuy
Dartmouth’s David McLaughlin is a no brainer for COY. "Expert's" pre-season chat had the guy more likely to replace Columbia in the cellar. Green had a remarkable Ivy season and look like a contender in the future.
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penn nation
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03-05-23 04:16 PM - Post#353180
In response to Naismith
Still, it says something about Jones that he loses his best player down the stretch and they don't miss a beat.
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james
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03-05-23 05:11 PM - Post#353190
In response to penn nation
hmm.
A Yale team picked 3rd wins the league without their best player down the stretch.
But he underachieved? Ok
Oh and that's a Yale team picked 3rd with a healthy matthue cotton who scored 20+ to get them through one round of ivy madness last year. But didn't play a minut this year
The COY discussion isn't interesting but arguing James underachieved is #%$@ hilarious
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SomeGuy
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03-05-23 05:18 PM - Post#353193
In response to james
Yes, Yale overall exceeded the preseason media picks. But by the time the conference season started, Yale was a top 80 team and the obvious favorite to win the league. Based on Pomeroy ratings, they should have gone 14-0. Instead, they promptly lost to one of the bottom 10 programs in the country. And the followed that up with a home loss to another team in the bottom 100. So in the conference season, they underachieved by 4 games, which is way more than any other team in the league. They were favored in all 14 games, and managed to lose 4 of them. To me, that’s underachieving.
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iogyhufi
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03-05-23 05:22 PM - Post#353195
In response to james
Yeah, I think to overcome the presumption that the winning coach gets CoY, you need to actually...achieve something. No disrespect to Dartmouth, who absolutely did perform way above expectations this year, but they were projected seventh and finished sixth.
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SRP
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03-05-23 05:52 PM - Post#353203
In response to iogyhufi
No Yale guys on the first team would seem to force Jones as COY. Or one could recognize a couple of their studs as first-teamers.
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penn nation
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03-05-23 06:05 PM - Post#353206
In response to SRP
MBeng has to be ranked higher than just HM. He is the best flat out stopper in the IL, and he is also a solid contributor in various aspects of the offensive game.
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