FlareScreen
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03-05-23 06:22 PM - Post#353210
In response to penn nation
COY, I would vote for Jones, if McLaughlin or Martin made the tournament they would be an easy choice. I know it won’t happen but what about Earl? Two years in row, picked out of top 4 in the preseason and two years in a row they are in the tournament.
POY- Evbuomwan, best all-around player in the league.
ROY--Caden Pierce
1st Team (First four are solid IMO, but would not be surprised to see one of the second team take Lily’s spot.)
Tosan Evbuomwan
Jordan Dingle
Matt Knowling
Chris Ledlum
Kino Lilly
2nd Team
Greg Dolan
Dame Adelekun
EJ Jarvis
Matt Allocco
Paxson Wojcik
HM
Bez Mbeng
Rubio Del La Rosa
Ryan Langborg
Ryan Cornish
Lucas Monroe
Nazir Williams
Idan Tretout
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penn nation
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03-05-23 06:28 PM - Post#353212
In response to FlareScreen
I could see Knowling getting bumped down a peg for playing essentially only 10.5 games out of the 14 game Ivy season.
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gokinsmen
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03-05-23 08:27 PM - Post#353223
In response to penn nation
What my ballot would look like (not my prediction for results):
POY: Jordan Dingle
ROY: Caden Pierce
COY: James Jones
FIRST TEAM:
Jordan Dingle
Tosan Evbuomwan
Chris Ledlum
Dame Adelekun
Kino Lilly Jr.
SECOND TEAM:
Matt Knowling (1st Team if not for injury)
Paxson Wojcik
EJ Jarvis
Bez Mbeng
Greg Dolan
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SomeGuy
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03-05-23 09:20 PM - Post#353233
In response to iogyhufi
Understood. I’m just not feeling Yale’s 10-4 as better enough than Princeton’s 10-4 to justify COY. Now it may not be fair of me to move past both Jones and Henderson as a result, but it kind of makes me meh about everyone down to McLaughlin.
And admittedly, I always think POY should go to a player on one of the top teams. So maybe I should do the same with COY. But in this case I don’t.
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penn nation
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Re: Ivy League Awards
03-05-23 09:22 PM - Post#353234
In response to gokinsmen
That's an entirely reasonable take in my book. Let's see if they split POY.
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PennFan10
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03-06-23 04:17 PM - Post#353300
In response to penn nation
Pierce is really the only candidate for ROY
I would be surprised if Jones is not COY. He beat P 2x
POY: Princeton guys are hoping for Tosan, and he could be Co-POY but I'll be shocked if there is only one winner and it is anyone but Dingle.
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LocalTiger
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03-06-23 05:20 PM - Post#353306
In response to PennFan10
Tosan beat Dingle 2x.
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penn nation
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03-06-23 05:31 PM - Post#353308
In response to LocalTiger
Tosan beat Dingle 2x.
I mean, MBeng beat Tosan 2x. So give it to him?
Give it up.
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LocalTiger
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03-06-23 06:04 PM - Post#353311
In response to penn nation
Just pointing out where the prior poster's logic should take him. Two candidates, and one consistently beats the other.
last year , the Penn board said the POY nearly always goes to the best player on the champion team. This year, Tosan repeated
with a weaker supporting cast. The unanimous choice has an even stronger case this year, despite Dingle's impressive scoring numbers.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-06-23 06:33 PM - Post#353312
In response to LocalTiger
COY should be Jones, although I would prefer Mitch. I yield to no person in my love and admiration for Brian Earl. His team struggled of late and essentially backed into the tournament. I hope they can give Yale a tough time. The semifinal last year against Princeton was a street fight.
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Tiger84
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03-06-23 06:43 PM - Post#353313
In response to ToothlessTiger
In general, I think Henderson did a masterful job replacing last year's graduates...losing Wright, Llewellyn and Friberg was a lot. And finding a way to beat a good Penn team twice is notable.
But his in-game strategy 2 games ago against Yale (deflating the ball too soon, fouling up 3 too soon) may be disqualifying.
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PennFan10
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03-06-23 08:53 PM - Post#353318
In response to LocalTiger
Tosan beat Dingle 2x.
No he didn’t. Princeton beat Penn 2x.
Don’t blame me. I’m not the one voting.
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Old Bear
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03-06-23 09:11 PM - Post#353323
In response to PennFan10
Martin split with Earl and Mitch. His team was picked sixth or seventh. Unfortunately they lost twice to Jones.
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Old Bear
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03-06-23 09:14 PM - Post#353324
In response to ToothlessTiger
I think K Anya might have been ROY had he been able to play the full season
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SomeGuy
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03-06-23 09:31 PM - Post#353325
In response to LocalTiger
Not all “championships” are equal though. Yes, Princeton swept Penn. But Penn and Princeton played the exact same 12 games against everyone else and Penn had the better record. The net result is a one game lead over Penn and a tie with Yale (who swept Princeton). They didn’t even win the top seed. That isn’t the type of victory that takes you out of just looking at who appeared to be the better player.
Last year, Princeton won the league outright, and was better than Penn both head to head and against the rest of the league. That is more of a situation where I pick the best player on the best team. This year, I don’t think it is clear who the best team is.
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iogyhufi
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03-07-23 04:01 PM - Post#353364
In response to SomeGuy
https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/3/7/ivy-lea gue-ann...
PoY - Jordan Dingle
DPoY - Bez Mbeng
RoY - Caden Pierce
CoY - James Jones
First Team:
Chris Ledlum*
Jordan Dingle*
Tosan Evbuomwan*
Matt Knowling*
Kino Lilly
Second Team:
Paxson Wojcik
Greg Dolan
Dame Adelekun
Matt Allocco
EJ Jarvis
Honorable Mention:
Nazir Williams
Max Martz
Bez Mbeng
*unanimous selection
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Chip Bayers
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Ivy League Awards
03-07-23 04:02 PM - Post#353365
In response to iogyhufi
No real surprises in any of this, although I’m a little surprised that Ledlum was unanimous 1st team given how much his performance dropped off in league play.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-07-23 04:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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james
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03-07-23 04:30 PM - Post#353369
In response to Chip Bayers
Do they base these awards on anything beyond the IL games? If so why?
I assume they don't bc they shouldnt.
In that vein not shocked by much.
Which is why Jones won COY. I certainly don't think they study ken pom.
This being said for Yale in conference I thought jarvis and mbeng should be ranked ahead of knowling.
I could argue mbeng was team MVP and as he goes they go.
so said another way he needs to continue balling out on both ends to beat Cornell and then one of the killer Ps
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james
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03-07-23 04:35 PM - Post#353371
In response to james
A quick look at conf only stats for yale validates the point.
Mbengs offensive efficiency much higher and quite good for a PG.
So if he is dpoy wth isn't he 1st or 2nd team ahead of knowling and Jarvis was also good and played more of the slate.
No offense, matt. I admit it's grey. But
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SomeGuy
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03-07-23 05:16 PM - Post#353374
In response to james
Allegedly it is just conference play. But in reality, it always seems like there are examples that suggest it isn’t (like, arguably, Ledlum, Knowling, and Jones). My guess is the coaches take this seriously, but they also aren’t looking carefully at conference only stats to make their votes.
I nailed all of this but Jones! Please note that my vote for McLaughlin and comments about Yale’s season are limited to who I think should be COY this year. Jones has been deserving of COY multiple years and is a tremendous coach.
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