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02-23-23 12:32 PM - Post#352366
This Saturday, the Bulldogs try to avenge their early-season loss in Ithaca. Things have been rough recently for Cornell, and I don't think they get better here. In the first game, Yale was still in a shooting slump, but for much of the game, they got whatever they wanted at the rim. Cornell shot 34 free throws to Yale's 21, which one would imagine wouldn't happen in New Haven.
Yale is missing Knowling, sure, but I think they'll have enough offensive production to make up for his loss. The defensive end will be the most critical.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:08 PM - Post#352552
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Yale didn't even play well and still won by 18. EJ Jarvis was phenomenal tonight, and James Jones got his 200th conference win, only the second coach to ever do it. Now all they need to do is beat Brown to win their third title in four years.
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palestra38
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:18 PM - Post#352555
In response to iogyhufi
Cornell was brutal. But give Yale credit for taking care of business. Brown will be playing for its life at home and the P's hoping for the chance for an undisputed title if Yale loses.
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:25 PM - Post#352557
In response to palestra38
It's hilarious to me that if Yale beats Brown in a week, they'll have managed to lose to Dartmouth at home and Columbia and still win the league. Now that's a comeback.
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:27 PM - Post#352558
In response to iogyhufi
Princeton let both Penn and Yale back into this race. You don't usually have 3 teams leading with 4 losses going into the final game. I can remember only a few times when a 4 loss team won the Ivy League.
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:28 PM - Post#352560
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I also didn't realize the start times next week are staggered. That strikes me as an odd call for the last game of the season. Yale-Brown is the lone nightcap game, and in the unlikely but not impossible event that Cornell loses to Columbia, Brown will have clinched a spot before tip-off.
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penn nation
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:29 PM - Post#352561
In response to iogyhufi
Cornell was absolutely awful. It's hard to believe that they were once in the hunt for the Ivy lead with the way they've played of late.
This one was never a contest.
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:33 PM - Post#352562
In response to iogyhufi
Odder still that Penn-Princeton is a noon game on a Saturday. That should always be the featured contest.
I also didn't realize the start times next week are staggered. That strikes me as an odd call for the last game of the season. Yale-Brown is the lone nightcap game, and in the unlikely but not impossible event that Cornell loses to Columbia, Brown will have clinched a spot before tip-off.
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:35 PM - Post#352563
In response to palestra38
I can remember only a few times when a 4 loss team won the Ivy League.
Actually, this was the norm during my time at Penn in the mid 80s.
Although, ironically enough, Princeton did not win a single title during my time in West Philly. Thank goodness.
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palestra38
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Re: Cornell II
02-25-23 10:51 PM - Post#352568
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It's happened 4 times in the modern era (since 1970)--'85, '86, '87 and '19.
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02-26-23 11:00 AM - Post#352589
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The Penn-Princeton winner will grab a share of the regular season title. If Princeton wins Yale gets the top seed. I don't know who gets the #1 if Penn wins.
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Cornell II
02-26-23 11:02 AM - Post#352591
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Still Yale. The tiebreaker would be wins against the third-place team, and Yale swept Princeton but Penn did not. Of course Yale needs to beat Brown for this to happen.
Edited by iogyhufi on 02-26-23 11:03 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 11:05 AM - Post#352592
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I argued when Penn tied Harvard in ‘19 that the tiebreaker should be worst loss, but they didn’t go with me then. Makes more sense than record against 3rd place team
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 11:12 AM - Post#352593
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I'm not sure why "worst loss" is inherently better than "best win," besides the fact that it would've benefitted Penn both times
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penn nation
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 12:06 PM - Post#352599
In response to iogyhufi
I'm not sure why "worst loss" is inherently better than "best win," besides the fact that it would've benefitted Penn both times
Right, it's pretty arbitrary.
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palestra38
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 12:35 PM - Post#352603
In response to penn nation
At least then you are comparing with a team that is objectively last rather than much more of a moving target.Good teams should not lose to Columbia (just an example). Good teams can beat or lose to a team in 3rd place.
But it's all arbitrary--with a week off, they should have a playoff game to determine the league champion that gets the NIT bid if they don't win the tournament.
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 01:29 PM - Post#352611
In response to palestra38
To me, the tiebreaker makes no sense with a perfectly balanced schedule. If teams tie for the last spot, let them play in at a neutral site (or at Ivy Madness). Use the breaker for seeding since that matters less.
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 02:19 PM - Post#352620
In response to SomeGuy
Tiebreakers are inherently going to be a bit arbitrary - there was a tie to begin with, after all. A play-in is a huge disadvantage to the teams involved in the tie, because they don't get a full week of rest/practice before the tournament. Just win the games in front of you and you won't need to worry about tiebreakers.
Also, good teams probably also don't go 0-12 from three at home against their biggest rival, but then here we are.
Edited by iogyhufi on 02-26-23 02:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Cornell II
02-26-23 02:44 PM - Post#352622
In response to iogyhufi
Agree on the play-in being a disadvantage. But in a sense that is a good thing — it provides an additional advantage to the top seed, which is arguably appropriate (and a nod to those who worry about the poor regular season champ having to play a tournament at all).
To me, more teams in the tournament adds to the fun.
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Re: Cornell II
02-27-23 12:27 AM - Post#352646
In response to palestra38
It's happened 4 times in the modern era (since 1970)--'85, '86, '87 and '19.
In 1984, Princeton (10-4) finished first, one game ahead of Cornell and Harvard who tied for second at 9-5.
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