iogyhufi
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03-12-23 12:07 AM - Post#353808
40 minutes for glory tomorrow. What more needs to be said?
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james
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03-12-23 08:09 AM - Post#353817
In response to iogyhufi
Tough task-beating a team 3x and on their home floor.
Good to see knowling played. was doubled a lot.
passed well.
Clearly had ankle issues still on stop and go. Awkward finishes for him I'll n 2nd half. But he did a nice job off breaking the traps bringing it up floor.
Hope it isn't worse today ...
Expect nerves and shooting woes back to back and in jadwin.
Must overcome.
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 12:54 PM - Post#353853
In response to james
Princeton threw a lot of unusual defensive looks at Yale this half - lots of switching, Tosan on Poulakidas, etc. Fortunately, Yale managed to adjust a bit, but hopefully the coaching staff comes up with some adjustments.
Also, that last three should never have counted, that should've been an offensive foul. But oh well.
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james
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03-12-23 01:31 PM - Post#353858
In response to iogyhufi
Brutal!
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penn nation
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03-12-23 01:48 PM - Post#353862
In response to james
What are the odds that the best FT shooter in the IL misses a crucial FT down the stretch? You could just see Princeton wilting again if he converts. Just brutal.
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 01:54 PM - Post#353863
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Lord have mercy, the charge calls. Terrible, terrible one-sided officiating. That doesn't excuse Yale's utter failure of execution late (especially the free throws), but my word.
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penn nation
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03-12-23 01:58 PM - Post#353864
In response to iogyhufi
Of course, heaven forbid any Princeton fan will ever acknowledge the ref favoritism (don't worry, they'll get a rude awakening later this week).
But the missed FT 1 and 1s (Mbeng and Mahoney) were really the story down the stretch. Princeton was clearly out of gas, and made zero FGs during the last 3 minutes of the game. Yale was in the process of coming back TWICE from being down double digits--tying it up and those FTs would have either tied it up or put Yale ahead. Even if you grant that Mbeng's miss wasn't particularly unexpected, the Mahoney miss most certainly was (63 for 67 coming into today from the line).
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 02:03 PM - Post#353867
In response to penn nation
Oh I don't disagree. The two front-end misses by some great FT shooters were inexcusable, and they might have saved things for Yale had they made them.
However, all I can say is that Jones is lucky he already doesn't have hair, because he'd have torn it out by the end thanks to these officials.
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penn nation
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03-12-23 02:05 PM - Post#353868
In response to iogyhufi
If you take a look at the officiating in the past two Penn-Princeton games at Jadwin, you will come to the same conclusion.
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palestra38
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03-12-23 02:11 PM - Post#353870
In response to penn nation
Indeed, what happened this year at the tournament regrettably supports everything the Princeton fans were saying about it all these years. Princeton got all the key calls---and they were egregiously bad calls. It's tough for either loser to bitch because both had chances to win despite the terrible calls but in both games, had it been called fairly, it is possible and even likely Princeton would have lost.
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weinhauers_ghost
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03-12-23 02:20 PM - Post#353878
In response to palestra38
I second P38 on the brutality of the officiating in this afternoon's game and yesterday's second semifinal game.
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Chip Bayers
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Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 02:23 PM - Post#353880
In response to palestra38
That north end shooting background claimed critical second half FT misses from Mahoney, Poulakidas, Dingle, and Slajchert this weekend, all of them 80%+ shooters on the year.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-12-23 02:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 02:36 PM - Post#353885
In response to Chip Bayers
Well, what can you do. Princeton did play very well, they were a lot tougher on defense than they used to be, and the decision to guard Poulakidas with Tosan worked a treat for Mitch. I don't really think they have the horses to win a tourney game, but they earned their shot at it.
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penn nation
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Re: Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 02:54 PM - Post#353887
In response to Chip Bayers
That north end shooting background claimed critical second half FT misses from Mahoney, Poulakidas, Dingle, and Slajchert this weekend, all of them 80%+ shooters on the year.
Yes, the Princeton fans will tell you how brilliant their players are to play such superlative FT defense.
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TigerFan
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03-12-23 03:27 PM - Post#353898
In response to penn nation
I'm getting a good chuckle out of this string of comments because from where I was sitting today, Tosan was getting bumped hard almost every time he had the ball and those were rarely called.
That was a tough, physical game--like every game Yale plays (that's a compliment).
PS Penn Fans, thank you for reminding me why I've hated your team for 50 years. I'm really sorry that your team had trouble shooting FTs towards your own band and your own fans yesterday. That can be really hard.
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penn nation
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03-12-23 03:31 PM - Post#353900
In response to TigerFan
PS Penn Fans, thank you for reminding me why I've hated your team for 50 years. I'm really sorry that your team had trouble shooting FTs towards your own band and your own fans yesterday. That can be really hard.
And thank you for reminding me why I won't be rooting for your team this coming week. Normally, I am actively rooting for whichever Ivy team advances.
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 03:37 PM - Post#353903
In response to TigerFan
There's a difference between letting things go (which is fine) and being very inconsistent with block/charge calls (which is not). I hope you enjoy your tournament game.
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penn nation
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03-12-23 03:41 PM - Post#353907
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PS Penn Fans, thank you for reminding me why I've hated your team for 50 years.
Yeah it must have been tough for all those decades to see Pete fall short of hitting the Holy Grail of playing .500 ball against the Quakers.
Maybe that's why he could never sit down.
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gokinsmen
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Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 03:53 PM - Post#353912
In response to penn nation
Like 99.9% of games, there were many tough calls went both ways - you can't just remember the ones that went against you.
For example, right after that sequence where Kellman got two close 50/50 calls in a row, Langborg got whistled for a laughably awful makeup call that gave Jarvis 2 FTs. If anything, Langborg should have been shooting 2 FTs.
Be classy, folks. Refs were not the reason Yale lost. No one was paid off by a secret cabal of Princeton Illuminati. Gee, how forgetful of them not to steal last year's ILT final!
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TigerFan
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03-12-23 04:00 PM - Post#353914
In response to gokinsmen
I'm glad to see the passion back among fans of Ivy league hoops! I will absolutely be rooting for Yale and Penn in the NIT, etc. this week.
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gokinsmen
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03-12-23 04:01 PM - Post#353915
In response to TigerFan
This is why I love the Ivy Tourney despite last year's crushing disappointment. So many more teams (and their fans) are excited and involved.
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 04:30 PM - Post#353925
In response to gokinsmen
Just fwiw, the notoriously understated James Jones also thinks the reffing was one-sided.
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gokinsmen
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03-12-23 04:42 PM - Post#353928
In response to iogyhufi
Despite my great respect for JJ, I wouldn't call him "understated." Not only do I think he's the most fiery, emotional coach in the conference, but that's what I admire most about him.
I'll never forget him screaming and flailing at halfcourt to spark that 19pt comeback against us. I wish Mitch would do that when our guys get too lackadaisical. But it's disappointing to see Jones engage in sour grapes.
For all my complaints about MH, I always admire his extreme class. For example, we had a game-ending Navy non-call that was ten times worse than any call Yale faced today. But MH didn't "go off" on the refs, even though I really wanted him to, ha.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 04:58 PM - Post#353931
In response to gokinsmen
Despite my great respect for JJ, I wouldn't call him "understated." Not only do I think he's the most fiery, emotional coach in the conference, but that's what I admire most about him.
I'll never forget him screaming and flailing at halfcourt to spark that 19pt comeback against us. I wish Mitch would do that when our guys get too lackadaisical. But it's disappointing to see Jones engage in sour grapes.
For all my complaints about MH, I always admire his extreme class. For example, we had a game-ending Navy non-call that was ten times worse than any call Yale faced today. But MH didn't "go off" on the refs, even though I really wanted him to, ha.
And not too understated to speak ill of the deceased:
"Great interview with Coach Jones on local TV. He tells an amusing story about Pete Carril being a jerk to him without cause in his first year of coaching for Yale (I'm editorializing, he told it much more positively)."
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Tiger81
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03-12-23 05:01 PM - Post#353932
In response to iogyhufi
There were 18 fouls called on Princeton and 20 on Yale and before the final minute of play those totals were 17 for Princeton and 13 for Yale. You can dispute specific calls or non-calls but Yale was called for fewer fouls when the game was in doubt notwithstanding Coach Jones’ post-game comments.
Yale has owned Princeton for a while now and just beat the Tigers on the same court (with the same sight lines, by the way) in devastating fashion. Coach Jones, Yale fans, and oddly, Penn fans, were deflated by the outcome of the game; it seems that the natural state of the universe was somehow disrupted by Princeton’s win in which they were ahead for 89% of the game.
Princeton won today because they outplayed Yale, plain and simple, which is the same reason they won yesterday against Penn.
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mmp629
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03-12-23 05:31 PM - Post#353937
In response to Tiger81
Well said!
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mmp629
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03-12-23 05:35 PM - Post#353939
In response to iogyhufi
Coach Jones, of course, is a completely unbiased observer so if he says it, it must be true. 
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iogyhufi
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Re: Princeton ILT Final
03-12-23 05:52 PM - Post#353942
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
And not too understated to speak ill of the deceased:
"Great interview with Coach Jones on local TV. He tells an amusing story about Pete Carril being a jerk to him without cause in his first year of coaching for Yale (I'm editorializing, he told it much more positively)."
I'm sorry you had to find out Pete Carril was a cranky old git posthumously.
Edited by iogyhufi on 03-12-23 05:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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iogyhufi
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03-12-23 05:56 PM - Post#353943
In response to Tiger81
There were 18 fouls called on Princeton and 20 on Yale and before the final minute of play those totals were 17 for Princeton and 13 for Yale. You can dispute specific calls or non-calls but Yale was called for fewer fouls when the game was in doubt notwithstanding Coach Jones’ post-game comments.
Yale has owned Princeton for a while now and just beat the Tigers on the same court (with the same sight lines, by the way) in devastating fashion. Coach Jones, Yale fans, and oddly, Penn fans, were deflated by the outcome of the game; it seems that the natural state of the universe was somehow disrupted by Princeton’s win in which they were ahead for 89% of the game.
Princeton won today because they outplayed Yale, plain and simple, which is the same reason they won yesterday against Penn.
I agree, Princeton played better and deserved to win. Separately, your team got the benefit of every block/charge call (and before you get all het up about Tosan, your team got away with equally much slap-fouling). Both things can be true.
Also, Mitch Henderson is behind only Mike Martin in on-court demonstrativeness and Jones is usually very reserved, I have no Earthly idea which coaches you think you're watching.
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james
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03-12-23 06:52 PM - Post#353958
In response to iogyhufi
james Jones is probably the least demonstrative coach I have seen in d1 hoops at this juncture today
Now this has evolved over the years
He was the opposite when I played for him. And he has said this repeatedly.
I wish he got more fired up like at the start of this game at his own team anyway.
Regardless there are always bull crap plays in a game ref calls and the like.
But princeton won. Congratulations and good luck in the tournament!
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james
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03-12-23 06:56 PM - Post#353960
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I knew it wasn’t our day on the no call before halftime on the 3 ball.
Then down 61-58 mahoney misses the front end of a 1 and 1. Never happens.
Some of the block charge calls sucked no doubt.
But I was impressed by pierce and princetons tenacity on defense and the boards and Tosan is just a great player obviously.
Going forward yale is also in a good spot.
2 words Samson aletan! Wait until you see this beast
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TigerFan
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03-12-23 07:17 PM - Post#353967
In response to james
Pretty sure I saw Justin Sears at Jadwin (If not, it was his twin). Great player.
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03-12-23 07:29 PM - Post#353972
In response to TigerFan
The biggest officiating problem was that for the first 30 minutes they called nothing—my Tiger eyes saw Langborg get hacked after a pump fake caused the defender to come down on him without a whistle, for example—but then they started calling all sorts of random contact in the last part of the game. Usually if refs swallow their whistles it’s at the end where they don’t want to “decide the game.”
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