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03-17-23 09:09 PM - Post#354492
One year after Saint Peter's magical run, Princeton pulls an epic upset and FDU becomes the second 16-seed to win.
INFINITE MADNESS.
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palestra38
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-17-23 09:14 PM - Post#354493
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We always called them "Fairly Ridiculous." Just amazing!
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gokinsmen
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-17-23 09:26 PM - Post#354495
In response to palestra38
It's even more insane when you consider FDU is in the Dance because of a technicality.
As many here know, Merrimack actually won the NEC conference tourney (and regular season title) but wasn't allowed to participate due to D-I transition rules.
I thought FDU's coach Tobin Anderson was insane for going on record to say that Purdue looks more beatable the more he watches them. But turns out he was a mad scientist - it worked.
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03-17-23 09:51 PM - Post#354497
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I'm guessing that Purdue never wants to see another team from Jersey. IIRC, Rutgers beat them once this season as well.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-18-23 12:45 AM - Post#354508
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Their best win for FDU before today was 191 Kenpom ranked St. Joes. Their second best win before today was 303 Kenpom ranked Texas Southern on Weds in play-in game.
Today they beat 8 Kenpom ranked Purdue. Unreal. Purdue said, hey Virginia, hold my beer we're going to lose to 275 Kenpom ranked FDU.
UMBC was at least ranked 166 and had 25 wins and two top 100 wins before knocking off Virginia, lol.
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03-18-23 01:36 AM - Post#354511
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FDU:
Lost at Hartford on November 30, after which they were Pomeroy #347.
Did not win their conference (NEC) regular season title. Did not win their conference tournament, losing to first place Merrimack. Awarded the NEC automatic bid because Merrimack is transitioning into Division 1 and was ineligible for the NCAA tournament.
Pomeroy #312 going into the play-in game. Pomeroy #299 going into the Purdue game. Now at Pomeroy #275.
The FDU women were losing at Columbia in the Women's NIT and missed the greatest moment in school sport's history.
P.S.: Merrimack, the actual NEC regular season champion and tournament champion is coached by Joe Gallo, a former assistant at Robert Morris to Andy Toole (Penn '03) and a former assistant at Dartmouth.
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03-18-23 05:39 AM - Post#354513
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I wonder if Merrimack monitored this game.
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03-18-23 08:49 AM - Post#354517
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It will be a long time before we see another team with the same credentials repeat this result.
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03-18-23 09:24 AM - Post#354520
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I wonder if Merrimack monitored this game.
Ironclad comment here.
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03-18-23 09:47 AM - Post#354522
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It will be a long time before we see another team with the same credentials repeat this result.
Wasn't the same thing said last year, after St. Peter's beat Kentucky and Purdue?
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03-18-23 10:49 AM - Post#354530
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St Peters was much more highly ranked than FDU--a sub 300 team as it went into this tournament.
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03-18-23 12:31 PM - Post#354539
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Yes, that is the point I was trying to make. St. Peters was somewhere around 200, I think.
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03-18-23 12:37 PM - Post#354540
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I was thinking more about tournament seedings. Last year, Purdue was a #3 seed and St. Peter's was a #15 seed.
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03-18-23 01:17 PM - Post#354544
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Right, but seedings are often not accurate representations of the true strength of teams. FDU was a true 16. Princeton really should be a 13-14. Florida Gulf Coast was horribly underseeded. The advantage is when you are underseeded that if you manage to win that first game, you actually have a decent change of making the Sweet 16. I can see Princeton beating Missouri--Penn played them even for most of the game early in the season when Charles, MLL and Mosh all played 19 minutes or more
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03-18-23 08:19 PM - Post#354597
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SWEET SIXTEEN BABY! Cinderella wears orange!
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03-18-23 08:22 PM - Post#354600
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Ivies back to the regional semis! Wow!
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03-18-23 08:24 PM - Post#354604
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That win over Arizona really gave them this game. Missouri was a team I think we all thought Princeton could beat. But I don't think Yale or Penn would have gotten here. So the right team won.
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03-18-23 08:31 PM - Post#354611
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As for the NJ angle, maybe Rutgers will deign to play Princeton, even if it distracts them from their traditional rivalry with Nebraska.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-18-23 08:42 PM - Post#354619
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It will be a long time before we see another team with the same credentials repeat this result.
1. #16 beats #1 seed (only second time in history)
2. Had to win a play in game of #16 seeds, so even further disadvantaged against Purdue. First time a play-in #16 seed had ever won a game against a #1.
3. Did not win its own conference championship game.
4. Won a grand total of 4 games last year!!
Yeah, I would say this was a highly unusual constellation of circumstances.
Edited by penn nation on 03-18-23 08:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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03-18-23 08:43 PM - Post#354620
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I still struggle to figure out why Rutgers is in the Big 10.
I hate what big time college football has done to the basketball landscape.
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penn nation
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03-18-23 08:43 PM - Post#354621
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I still struggle to figure out why Rutgers is in the Big 10.
I hate what big time college football has done to the basketball landscape.
You'll be asking the same question soon enough about USC and UCLA.
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penn nation
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03-18-23 08:45 PM - Post#354623
In response to SRP
I wonder if Merrimack monitored this game.
Especially since the FDU coach's comments before the game about being able to beat Purdue bordered on being uncivil.
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03-18-23 08:47 PM - Post#354624
In response to penn nation
I was asking that question as soon as the move was announced, and hoping against hope that the deal would somehow unravel.
There's a huge amount of hubris in there, just waiting for the right time to reveal itself.
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gokinsmen
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-18-23 08:54 PM - Post#354632
In response to palestra38
That win over Arizona really gave them this game. Missouri was a team I think we all thought Princeton could beat. But I don't think Yale or Penn would have gotten here. So the right team won.
Definitely. While Arizona was an absolute nightmare matchup, Mizzou was the ideal "marquee" opponent for us to beat. My big worry was that they'd go "40 minutes of hell" on us to turn us over 20 times... but they mostly went zone. Whoops.
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-19-23 12:06 AM - Post#354681
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Also, this was the quintessential David vs Goliath matchup. The smallest team in DI, average height of 6 feet 1 inch. against a Purdue team with one of the best players in the country at 7 feet one inch.
It will be a long time before we see another team with the same credentials repeat this result.
1. #16 beats #1 seed (only second time in history)
2. Had to win a play in game of #16 seeds, so even further disadvantaged against Purdue. First time a play-in #16 seed had ever won a game against a #1.
3. Did not win its own conference championship game.
4. Won a grand total of 4 games last year!!
Yeah, I would say this was a highly unusual constellation of circumstances.
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-19-23 12:45 AM - Post#354683
In response to penn nation
Reaction by Coach Gallo of Merrimack to the FDU win.
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gokinsmen
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03-19-23 10:14 PM - Post#354751
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The party is over for FDU, but what an incredible effort. I hope Tobin Anderson gets a couple of high major transfers to join him next year.
I guess Princeton will have be THE Cinderella Team and THE Jersey Squad next weekend.
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03-19-23 10:22 PM - Post#354752
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Nope. Nada. Lo. Nein.
But that was one heck of an effort by FDU. UMBC really didn't have a chance in its Round 2 game. FDU, after falling behind early, eventually got back into this one and went toe to toe with FAU until the last couple of minutes.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-19-23 10:35 PM - Post#354755
In response to penn nation
I felt kinda bad for Florida Atlantic... until they won. They should be a nice story themselves (a perennial C-USA bottom-feeder that finally had a great season), but compared to FDU they might as well have been Duke or Kansas.
The fact that they didn't crumble when the entire arena was cheering madly for FDU was impressive.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-24-23 12:03 AM - Post#354971
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More about FAU after tonight:
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1 639110638...
Edited by penn nation on 03-24-23 12:04 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-24-23 11:42 PM - Post#355041
In response to penn nation
The run is over, but what a ride. I never imagined making a Sweet 16 this year and now our returning players have that experience in their back pocket.
I don't expect to make it back next season - Yale and Penn will be favored ahead of us. Maybe Brown too. But the two years after that should be "our time."
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03-25-23 12:24 PM - Post#355068
In response to gokinsmen
Honestly, I thought your guys acquitted themselves quite well last night. They looked like they belonged; but lost to a deeper and, in some ways more skilled team that was prepared and played well. Glad you enjoyed the ride. See you in the fall.
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03-25-23 12:36 PM - Post#355071
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Streamers, Penn should be the favorite to win the league next year. If the Quakers make the tournament, I’ll be rooting for them.
PS I’m old enough to know what “streamers” refers to. In the afterglow of the Tigers’ incredible run, and in a moment of weakness, I admit that Im a big fan of the Palestra.
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-25-23 09:03 PM - Post#355090
In response to gokinsmen
And now they're in the Final Four! The "giant" is now definitely the cinderella the rest of the way.
I felt kinda bad for Florida Atlantic... until they won. They should be a nice story themselves (a perennial C-USA bottom-feeder that finally had a great season), but compared to FDU they might as well have been Duke or Kansas.
The fact that they didn't crumble when the entire arena was cheering madly for FDU was impressive.
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-25-23 09:10 PM - Post#355091
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That was a totally great game
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Re: Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-25-23 09:45 PM - Post#355093
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I was only able to watch the last 10 minutes or so of play.
There have been so many good games in this tourney. And Nowell, boy is that guy magic, in a losing cause.
I'm loving the fact that only 1 of the 8 remaining teams has ever won a championship before.
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Jersey Boys: FDU joins the NCAA Party
03-25-23 09:52 PM - Post#355095
In response to penn nation
K-State got a bit stagnant on offense during the second half. Too much hero ball and not enough player movement and passing.
Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 03-25-23 09:53 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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03-25-23 10:35 PM - Post#355097
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It is rare to see Gonzaga getting run off the court, but that is what UConn is doing to them. They've been the most dominant team in the tourney so far.
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03-25-23 10:55 PM - Post#355098
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UConn looks like the title favorite right now, but I wonder if they beat St. Mary's without Alex Ducas getting injured in the first half. Ducas was SM's best 3pt shooter and was playing well until then.
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03-25-23 11:06 PM - Post#355099
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Not sure. I mean, they still scored 70 points against the Gaels and against that team it's a significant accomplishment.
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03-26-23 12:09 AM - Post#355104
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It is rare to see Gonzaga getting run off the court, but that is what UConn is doing to them. They've been the most dominant team in the tourney so far.
I figured this was going to be a difficult matchup for Gonzaga. Timme doesn't play above the rim, and UConn is stacked with bigs who can elevate. Foul trouble didn't help; Timme's fourth early in the second half basically killed them. Their guards never really got going in the first half, either.
This wasn't just a rout, it was a massacre.
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03-26-23 12:13 AM - Post#355105
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They could not hit anything, whether from the charity stripe or three point line.
There was a stretch where for a large part of the 2nd half they were 3 for 21 from the field. And this from the most efficient offensive team in the country. Some of it was because of the UConn defense but they had their share of decent looks at the hoop and just could not hit a thing.
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