penn nation
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02-19-24 01:04 PM - Post#363539
In response to LocalTiger
The guy also lives in a country club in Westchester (although I don't know if that changed since taking on the job in Queens--but it's not a terribly long commute).
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CM
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 03:02 PM - Post#363545
In response to palestra38
From a ridiculous douchebag.
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CM
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02-19-24 03:07 PM - Post#363547
In response to palestra38
Pitino throwing his whole team under the bus, and in a really nasty way, is totally beyond the pale. Don't think I can ever remember a coach doing this at the college level.
Calling out specific players as unathletic is crazy, I don't care how good a coach you aren or how poorly players are playing. I only wish the players could have a press conference and get the same sort of stage to reveal what they really think of Pitino.
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palestra38
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02-19-24 03:35 PM - Post#363549
In response to CM
Well, we've never seen it when college players were amateurs, anyway. The entire game has changed--we see outbursts like this in pro ball all the time. These guys are pros.
Doesn't take away the douchebaggery of either Gottlieb or Pitino.
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TigerFan
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02-19-24 04:01 PM - Post#363552
In response to palestra38
Interesting questions. If St. John’s players reaped $2.7 mil in nil between 14 players, there are some big payoffs. If these players are now essentially pros, do coaches have a green light to rip them, especially ones with the biggest nil deals? Is it too much to hope that Dingle doesn’t set a trend of Ivy players headed to the payoff portal? Personally, I hope Dingle flops.
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penn nation
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02-19-24 04:05 PM - Post#363554
In response to TigerFan
Not sure why anyone would want to root against Jordan Dingle. He's a class act.
Oh wait, you're a Princeton fan.
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CM
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02-19-24 04:06 PM - Post#363555
In response to TigerFan
Wait, what? By all accounts Jordan Dingle is a great guy. Not to mention he played his butt off for Penn, including playing through some pretty significant injuries. Why on earth would you wish ill upon him? Because he wanted to chase his NBA dream?
Certainly the negativity surrounding this says way more about you than him.
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palestra38
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02-19-24 04:08 PM - Post#363556
In response to CM
He has some legitimate worries, considering that Princeton's 2 best players are sophs. They could be worth several hundred thousand of dollars per year on the NIL market.
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CM
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02-19-24 07:21 PM - Post#363575
In response to palestra38
Then have the Tiger alums turn over some couch cushions and pull a few hundred K for the Tiger Collective and pay the players to keep them playing at Jadwyn. Still not sure why some enterprising alum hasn't done this yet at one of the Ivys, not like the money wouldn't be there.
But complaining is probably easier.
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penn nation
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02-19-24 07:23 PM - Post#363577
In response to CM
Well, Harvard did it for its coach.
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TigerFan
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02-19-24 08:13 PM - Post#363581
In response to penn nation
Call me a traditionalist who doesn't want to see the league's best players hopping into the portal every year for cash. If you guys want to celebrate your best player bolting for something they perceive as better, then by all means root for St. John's.
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penn nation
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 08:17 PM - Post#363582
In response to TigerFan
Oh, I've been saying it's only a matter of time before the IL goes DIII.
But that has nothing to do with rooting for or against an individual player.
Edited by penn nation on 02-19-24 08:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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13otto
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 09:24 PM - Post#363588
In response to palestra38
Ridiculous douchebag comment.
Agreed. If they (the Penn players) "were happy to see him go", then that would mean they're happy being 1-8 and battling Dartmouth for 7th place (as opposed to possibly playing for a share of first place on the final day of the season, as they did last season). Hard to believe, Harry...
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TigerFan
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 11:24 PM - Post#363597
In response to penn nation
Oh, I've been saying it's only a matter of time before the IL goes DIII.
I’m sure Penn would do quite well in the Middle Atlantic Conference.
Meanwhile, the rest of the Ivies are fielding their best top 3 in years:
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2024/2/19/24077144...
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SRP
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02-20-24 06:08 AM - Post#363602
In response to TigerFan
To be fair, Carril used to occasionally itemize his players’ weaknesses in public, but his tone was more needling than ripping. “X is a good player. But he gets tired.” That sort of thing.
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jeromelh
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02-20-24 10:03 AM - Post#363611
In response to SRP
I originally felt that Dingle had made a mistake transferring to St John's and I gave my reasons. However, after I posted, I started reading about how NIL income could amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. If Dingle's family are moderate to low income, this kind of income would be enticing indeed.
I hadn't considered that.
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palestra38
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-20-24 10:11 AM - Post#363613
In response to jeromelh
Dana Dingle, Jordan's father, was a key piece in John Calipari's UMass team that beat the Allen-Maloney team 54-50 in 1993. He played European pro ball and now is a director of the NY Lightning AAU organization. While I have no idea of his income, I doubt that he or his family is suffering financially. But you can never blame a player from taking a good amount of money--the amount I heard Jordan received was disputed by NYChoops, who's opinion I respect, so I won't put down the numbers but it's pretty certainly 6 figures. He went for it--it doesn't appear to be working, but I doubt he reduced his marketability for European pro ball.
https://www.newyorklightning.com/copy-of-our-teams
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LocalTiger
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02-20-24 10:22 AM - Post#363614
In response to palestra38
I think Dingle took a rational risk, but I
think his European value will go down.
He now looks like a guy who does not thrive with
other talent. He will get offers, but not from
teams at the top level. Of course, if he thrives
at a lower level, he may move up.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-21-24 08:12 PM - Post#363723
In response to LocalTiger
JD scored 7 of SJU's first 13 points against Georgetown tonight.
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penn nation
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02-21-24 08:27 PM - Post#363724
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Say what you want, but at least in the first half the team responded to that Pitino shellacking.
Not that the Hoyas are any kind of test, of course.
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