Eric Von Zipper
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11-15-23 01:55 AM - Post#359215
Opens Princeton + 5 1/2 O/U 146
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SRP
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11-15-23 07:58 PM - Post#359242
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Dukes are at 77 on KenPom to Princeton’s 92.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:16 PM - Post#359243
In response to SRP
Duquesne is being pretty aggressive on D, plenty of ball pressure. 7-4 start for the Tigers is good. Dukes are forcing up shots.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:25 PM - Post#359244
In response to SRP
15-15 as Duquesne made a couple of tough shots. Tigers keeping their composure under defensive pressure, but treys will be hard to find.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:33 PM - Post#359245
In response to SRP
Lee with the great drive off quick passes after Peters penetrated and kicked. 24-17 with 7:56 left and a FT coming. Fouls mounting for the Dukes.
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Tiger81
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Reg: 11-21-04
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11-15-23 08:34 PM - Post#359246
In response to SRP
Princeton 25-17 after going on a 10-2 run, with Duquesne finally starting to miss some of their very tough shots. I like the movement on both ends of the court so far.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:41 PM - Post#359247
In response to Tiger81
Down 25-26 after a couple of turnovers and conceded ORs. Bench minutes up, but not quite as effective as the starters.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:46 PM - Post#359248
In response to SRP
31-26 now as PU’s 1-3-1 and scrambling man defenses have Duquesne out of rhythm, while Lee and Allocco are driving well.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:53 PM - Post#359249
In response to SRP
31-26 now as PU’s 1-3-1 and scrambling man defenses have Duquesne out of rhythm, while Lee and Allocco are driving well.
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SRP
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11-15-23 08:54 PM - Post#359250
In response to SRP
Up 37-31 after a buzzer-beating trey from Duquesne. Allocco and Martini each have two fouls, which isn’t great, but if they don’t get worn down the Tigers ought to be able to win the second half.
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Tiger81
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11-15-23 09:27 PM - Post#359251
In response to SRP
52-49 with 11+ to go. Huggins scores the first bench points of the game off a nice feed from Lee. This is going to be a test for the Tigers to play a really good team on its home court and keep its foot on the pedal for the last 10 minutes of the game. They are fun to watch!
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SRP
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11-15-23 09:34 PM - Post#359252
In response to Tiger81
58-49 now. Love PU’s relentless defense and rebounding execution and effort on every possession. Dukes committing a lot of offensive fouls in frustration.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 09:42 PM - Post#359253
In response to SRP
Caden having a terrible game. Xavian may of tweaked his ankle on the dunk.
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sparman
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11-15-23 09:46 PM - Post#359254
In response to Vonsid
Lotsa fouls.
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SRP
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11-15-23 09:47 PM - Post#359255
In response to SRP
A rash of iffy calls against PU put the Dukes in the double bonus, now 63-60 lead.
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SRP
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11-15-23 09:48 PM - Post#359256
In response to SRP
Martini out with four fouls and his replacement Scott almost gives up a five-second call.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 09:54 PM - Post#359258
In response to SRP
Lee costing us right now.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 09:56 PM - Post#359259
In response to Vonsid
I think we are tired. This is an athletic Dukes team. Highlights our lack of depth from the bench.
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sparman
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11-15-23 09:57 PM - Post#359261
In response to Vonsid
Was thinking the same.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 09:57 PM - Post#359262
In response to Vonsid
Pierce giving up the ball again.
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SRP
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11-15-23 09:59 PM - Post#359263
In response to SRP
Pierce hacked across the arm, not called, Dukes have the ball with 43 seconds left, PU up 68-67.
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SRP
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11-15-23 10:01 PM - Post#359265
In response to SRP
Outrageous non-call after a PU steal when Clark dived on top of the PU player.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 10:02 PM - Post#359266
In response to SRP
They have to be kidding if they are looking at a 10 second violation.
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SRP
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11-15-23 10:05 PM - Post#359267
In response to Vonsid
Up 68-67 with 21.2 seconds left, PU out of timeouts.
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Vonsid
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11-15-23 10:06 PM - Post#359268
In response to Vonsid
Good grief Pierce.
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Tiger81
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11-15-23 10:08 PM - Post#359269
In response to Vonsid
Wow, that was ugly
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SRP
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11-15-23 10:08 PM - Post#359270
In response to SRP
Horrifying turnover at one end, then the Dukes miss and PU rebounds, clock runs out, and the officials are trying to find a way to give more time to Duquesne on a foul on Lee.
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SRP
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11-15-23 10:09 PM - Post#359271
In response to SRP
Pierce redeemed himself on the other end.
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Vonsid
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Duquesne
11-15-23 10:10 PM - Post#359272
In response to SRP
I suppose. A win is a win but def need to get the bench in the game from here on out this season.
Edited by Vonsid on 11-15-23 10:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SRP
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Duquesne
11-15-23 10:12 PM - Post#359273
In response to Vonsid
Quality road win against a physical, aggressive team ranked twenty better on KenPom. I’ll take it. This squad is tough.
Edited by SRP on 11-15-23 10:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger81
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11-15-23 10:15 PM - Post#359274
In response to Tiger81
Not pretty down the stretch but they got the W and never gave an inch against a tough opponent. Off game for Caden, Lee took over at several points and Allocco was Mr Dependable. Still no bench contributions although I though Huggins was very active on D and not a liability when he was on the floor.
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ToothlessTiger
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11-15-23 10:24 PM - Post#359276
In response to Tiger81
No better guard combo in our league. Fantastic road win. We had the lead 4 39 min 16 seconds.
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sparman
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11-15-23 10:25 PM - Post#359277
In response to Tiger81
I really like how they play generally, but I would be more enthusiastic about season prospects if games were 30 or maybe 35 minutes long. Maybe the bench will develop quickly. The coaches certainly have shown the track record to do that.
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gokinsmen
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Duquesne
11-15-23 10:46 PM - Post#359279
In response to sparman
Another gritty, resilient road win! This was a good Duquesne team playing at home and they were definitely ready for us, strategically and emotionally. They screamed with joy when they baited us into a foul/TO.
Duquesne's halfcourt pressure and athleticism really bothered us - and forced some horrible TOs near the end - but the guys never lost their cool and always had an answer.
Allocco hit several amazing shots and Pierce came up with the big stop even after the Dukes played him tough all night. Lee plays like a senior now; he's just that smooth. Peters is really showing me something defensively - what a bulldog. And Martini does the dirty work on defense and then makes a big bucket when you need it.
This was the best kind of early season game - a win but a lot to learn from too.
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Tiger69
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11-15-23 10:50 PM - Post#359280
In response to sparman
I really expected to lose a tight game going in. So, I kept pinching myself when we would get up 9. But, predictably, the Dukes would come back within 3, then 1, and somehow we would hang on. We need more bench. But, great game defensively by both squads.
Caden can expect tough coverage from now on. But, with five guys who can shoot, this is a team that could go places. Please, no injuries!
GO TIGERS,
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SecS3
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11-15-23 11:55 PM - Post#359283
In response to Tiger69
Their resiliency and toughness down the stretch is starting to remind me of the women's team. Pretty may be nice, but not necessary.
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SRP
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11-16-23 12:32 AM - Post#359284
In response to SecS3
Also, Lee looks way bigger than last season, and it’s helping him on both ends.
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Tiger84
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11-16-23 01:53 AM - Post#359286
In response to SRP
The Weisz/Cook/Cannady/Bell/S tephens/Miller team, the teams of the Henderson/Goodrich era…you never know who was going to be today’s hero. And so it is with this team. It adds a little to the Fun Quotient from the fan POV, and it makes it that much harder to key on our guys. Stop Allocco, and Pierce makes you pay. Stop Pierce, and Lee comes up big. What’s next at Monmouth? Martini? Allocco? Does Blake Peters go Stephen Curry on us? Maybe Jack Scott breaks out???? Can’t wait to find out.
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SRP
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11-16-23 03:09 AM - Post#359289
In response to Tiger84
Lots of leverage from early-season games on KenPom. The Tigers jumped up to 83 while Duquesne fell to 84.
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ToothlessTiger
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11-16-23 08:32 AM - Post#359291
In response to SRP
Martini does not show up often on the stat sheet but he has been very valuable in the early going. He is always assigned a guy bigger than he is. Plays tough d, hits the occasional shot and helps on the boards. But for Pierce's genius he might have more rebounds. And he plays 30+ minutes.
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whitakk
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11-16-23 11:24 AM - Post#359300
In response to ToothlessTiger
Lee keeps showing new stuff to impress me - last night it was the play where he drove, got in the air, looked off the defender to the corner and then hit Higgins on the roll. This team is really fun.
I have 35-25 in 18 minutes with the five starters last night, 35-42 in 22 other minutes. Offense-defense subs skew those numbers a bit but not hugely.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-16-23 01:14 PM - Post#359302
In response to whitakk
I watched about half the game last night and then the end of the game this morning.
As the announcers joked, I think Duquesne does in fact practice fouling. Very subtle.
This team has been unique in that they have started the season running the offense in a very comfortable fashion. There is no "feeling out" over their identity.
This is a bit of a surprise, given the absence of Tosan.
I am starting to have flashbacks to teams of earlier eras; great difficulty finding a shot as the 24-second clock expires. There is no one able to break down the defense off the dribble and create a good shot. Allocco comes the closest. This is where they miss Tosan the most.
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iogyhufi
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11-16-23 01:28 PM - Post#359305
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
So obviously, there's a lot of basketball left to be played this non-con, let alone this season.
However...
History suggests that the NCAA selection committee won't recognize you as a team worthy of an at-large until the year after you do something really good (e.g., various mid-major snubs a la Liberty last year).
This was numerically the most difficult non-con game left on Princeton's schedule.
In its remaining non-con games, KenPom favors Princeton in all but one (@St Joe) and favors them by 2/3 chance to win or better in all but two more (@ODU, @Delaware).
I'm just saying, if Princeton doesn't screw anything up, doesn't have any injuries, and manages to win at least two of those three close ones, things start to look interesting for the two-bid Ivy dream.
(Princeton's biggest resume problem is that they'll only have one Quad 1 game this year - @Yale - unless we get a surprising turnaround from Rutgers or Duquesne improves.)
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Tiger81
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11-16-23 01:46 PM - Post#359306
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Xaivian Lee has the potential to create his own shot both off the dribble and from mid-range but I agree he is not as consistent a threat as Allocco.
There is no one able to break down the defense off the dribble and create a good shot. Allocco comes the closest.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-16-23 02:20 PM - Post#359307
In response to Tiger81
Xaivian Lee has the potential to create his own shot both off the dribble and from mid-range but I agree he is not as consistent a threat as Allocco.
There is no one able to break down the defense off the dribble and create a good shot. Allocco comes the closest.
Lee does not elevate much on his jumper, and the trajectory is low and flat; when closely guarded difficult to get it off.
I was hoping for more from Scott.
Can we get Perkins from Penn? 
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TigerFan
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11-16-23 05:51 PM - Post#359312
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Lee’s jumpers are usually of the jump back variety, which provides the clearance for his flat trajectory shots and relative lack of elevation. His move to the basket is so quick that defenders have to weigh carefully how close to guard him. Nice combination of weapons that has made him very effective so far this season.
Three very nice wins that completely surprised me. Glad I bought season tix this year!
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-16-23 06:27 PM - Post#359314
In response to TigerFan
Lee’s jumpers are usually of the jump back variety, which provides the clearance for his flat trajectory shots and relative lack of elevation. His move to the basket is so quick that defenders have to weigh carefully how close to guard him.
Indeed. Works well during free flowing portions of the game, but not so well at crunch time.
But yeah, so far so good.
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SRP
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11-16-23 09:38 PM - Post#359320
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
There is a certain charm to rapid acceleration and outright dribbling speed going downhill to the rim, which Lee has in spades. The quick pull-up off of that threat is a nice counter. The offense has to move help defenders a step or two out of position to make that toolset effective, but as long as Lee has good judgment about when to go it is a big net positive for the team's scoring potential.
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