Eric Von Zipper
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12-02-23 09:04 AM - Post#359987
Opens Princeton -8 O/U 151 1/2
Have gun, will travel is the card of a man.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-02-23 09:43 AM - Post#359990
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Hey Boy!
John Dehner on radio and Richard Boone on tv
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Albert08
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Re: Furman
12-02-23 11:05 AM - Post#359991
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Let's hope the Paladins are shooting blanks today.
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 03:16 PM - Post#359996
In response to Albert08
Looks like we're the ones who can't hit anything so far. Let's hope the offense wakes up.
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 03:32 PM - Post#359997
In response to gokinsmen
18-16 Tigers with 6:24 to go in 1H. Shots are there but nothing is falling so far, 1-9 for 3FG, lid still on the hoop for Peters
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 03:45 PM - Post#359998
In response to Tiger81
Furman leads 28-27 at the half. We need Blake to find his stroke again. Right now, we're playing with 4 guys on offense and it's hurting our spacing.
That said, we made a big mistake by not attacking the basket more after Furman got in foul trouble early (6 fouls with 9m left). They couldn't stay in front of Allocco or Lee and we let them off the hook.
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sparman
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12-02-23 03:45 PM - Post#359999
In response to Tiger81
Tiger 3 pt shooting reminds me of an 8th grade game.
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 04:07 PM - Post#360000
In response to sparman
8-0 run for Furman out of the half. We look terrible. Absolutely zero 3pt shooting and the frustration is showing on our defense.
Pegues called for a flagrant-1. Let's see if that fires us up.
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jeromelh
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12-02-23 04:08 PM - Post#360001
In response to sparman
When you are 2 for 19 from deep, it is not good
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 04:18 PM - Post#360002
In response to jeromelh
Especially when the other team is 7-15. Oof.
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 04:22 PM - Post#360003
In response to gokinsmen
Down 11 with 12:30 to go but Tiger O is not in rhthym.
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 04:23 PM - Post#360004
In response to gokinsmen
Oh man, we look cooked. It's even worse when you consider Furman's top scorer in on the bench with an injury.
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sparman
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12-02-23 04:24 PM - Post#360005
In response to Tiger81
Momma said there'd be days like this.
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 04:26 PM - Post#360006
In response to sparman
This is where Allocco took over the Bucknell game and turned the tide but he has not been a factor since he took that elbow to the head.
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 04:27 PM - Post#360007
In response to Tiger81
We need Lee to take over. And Martini to hit a 3.
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umbrellaman
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12-02-23 04:33 PM - Post#360008
In response to Tiger81
They are moving the ball better than we are - Tigers are missing threes but they are contested and not coming out of the offense.
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 04:33 PM - Post#360009
In response to gokinsmen
I'm wincing every time Peters shoots a 3. You just know it's not going in no matter how wide open he is. And then Furman answers with buckets right after.
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 04:35 PM - Post#360010
In response to gokinsmen
Peters now 0-8 3FG
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 04:39 PM - Post#360011
In response to Tiger81
Even 2-8 would be perfectly fine with me. But something is just off with Blake - I think it's the heavy minutes tiring him out. He was fine to start the season but now it's catching up.
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sparman
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Furman
12-02-23 04:40 PM - Post#360013
In response to Tiger81
Score would be even worse if Furman could shoot more than 50% on FT.
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 04:54 PM - Post#360014
In response to sparman
Now it's 2-26 from 3. Oy vey. But somehow this is still a 5pt game with 2:25 left...
Do we have a miracle in us?
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 04:56 PM - Post#360015
In response to gokinsmen
Finally a 3 and we're tied!!!
Welp, that lasted for 5 seconds - Furman back with 2 pt lead.
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gokinsmen
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12-02-23 05:01 PM - Post#360016
In response to gokinsmen
Peters 0-10 now. Not gonna lie, I thought that was finally going down.
Let's take it to the hoop this time!
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 05:02 PM - Post#360018
In response to gokinsmen
Yikes!
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sparman
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12-02-23 05:02 PM - Post#360019
In response to sparman
Unbelievable.
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 05:02 PM - Post#360020
In response to gokinsmen
MIRACLE MUSH WITH THE TREY!!!!!!!!!
WHEEEEEEEW DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES????
Okay, maybe it's not the Miracle on Ice but still an amazing comeback!!!
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 05:03 PM - Post#360021
In response to gokinsmen
I can't believe that just happened. Can't wait to rewatch without my stomach in knots.
That 1-3-1 is a lifesaver. Caden has stepped in for Tosan as the chaser up top and it still works like a charm.
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umbrellaman
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12-02-23 05:10 PM - Post#360022
In response to gokinsmen
Allocco is a great interview. They got a little home-cooking from the refs (travel call), and maybe they didn't deserve it, but that was a fun comeback.
Trying to figure out what Furman did defensively, and whether that is easily duplicated. Noticed that Allocco seemed to have a much bigger player guarding him, and was passing out of drives, didn't try the midrange game. From what I saw Furman didn't seem to be helping much on the drives, choosing to stay home to defend the three.
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umbrellaman
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Re: Furman
12-02-23 05:11 PM - Post#360023
In response to gokinsmen
With Caden up top though, it hurts the defensive rebounding. They'll need to sort that out.
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Tiger81
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12-02-23 05:11 PM - Post#360024
In response to gokinsmen
Tigers stole that game and never gave in despite the awful shooting from distance. I amend my earlier post … Allocco turned out to be a BIG factor in this game!
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iogyhufi
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12-02-23 05:14 PM - Post#360025
In response to Tiger81
Coaching disasterclass from Furman. I hope they find a use for those three timeouts on the bus home.
Nonetheless, very gritty win for the Tigers. They never gave in and played physical until the end.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Furman
12-02-23 05:15 PM - Post#360026
In response to umbrellaman
With Caden up top though, it hurts the defensive rebounding. They'll need to sort that out.
True. Huggins subbing in for Martini might help in those cases - he's got great length and athleticism. Surprised not to see him play tonight.
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 05:18 PM - Post#360027
In response to umbrellaman
Trying to figure out what Furman did defensively, and whether that is easily duplicated.
I'm probably being reductive, but I blame our flukey 3pt shooting: 4-31 on mostly open looks. Might be the most misses we've had in years. Furman forced some well-contested misses for sure, but our bullseye 3pt specialist went 0-10 (!!!) and only 2 were contested (and Blake usually hits those anyway).
I'm slightly encouraged that Blake's last miss was halfway down. No fear. I trust Mitch to decide whether Peters should still start, but it's time to cap his minutes at 20-25. He's way too good a shooter for this to be a mere slump. It's gotta be tired legs.
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Tiger69
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12-02-23 05:47 PM - Post#360028
In response to gokinsmen
Furman tougher on D than we’ve seen this season. Their poor free throws were offset by their 3 pt accuracy. The only thing that kept us in the game was the disproportionate difference in TOs. I felt a little sympathy for Furman because they played a fine game and they were victim to a few questionable calls. However, a great comeback from a team that doesn’t give up. Nice post game interview with Mush.
GO TIGERS!
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SecS3
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12-02-23 08:05 PM - Post#360032
In response to Tiger69
I thought I was watching the women play. When the shots weren't falling, relied on their D to allow them to hang around. Resilient to the end and never gave up. Certainly not pretty but a character builder. Pierce's rebound at the end and the kick out to Allocco was the play of the game for me.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-02-23 09:18 PM - Post#360040
In response to SecS3
Pierce is a very special player.Hendetson compares him to Dennis Rodman, in a good way LOL
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-02-23 09:33 PM - Post#360045
In response to ToothlessTiger
Somewhat lost in Pierce and Allocco's heroics is Xaivian Lee leading all scorers with 24pts. He kept us afloat by simply attacking the rim and making his FTs.
Also, I would love to know how many times a D-I team missed 27 threes, scored less than 80 pts, and still won the game. Such a bizarre victory.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-02-23 09:45 PM - Post#360046
In response to gokinsmen
One way was scoring 28 points from Furman turnovers while yielding 4 from their own
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SRP
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12-02-23 10:02 PM - Post#360049
In response to ToothlessTiger
I isolated myself from the news and just watched the replay. Wow! Talk about a team of destiny. That’s the first time in a long time that Princeton forced so many turnovers and I kept wondering when MH would call “form blazing sword”— whoops, I mean call for the 1-3-1. Not a possession too soon.
Furman ran better offense than Princeton most of the game, and obviously the three-point shooting was nightmarish, but enough hero ball from the Big Three scoring and rebounding down the stretch with that final awakening from the nightmare by Allocco—-wow again. Also, Allocco may have a future in broadcasting.
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mmp629
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12-02-23 11:30 PM - Post#360057
In response to SRP
I was at the game; when Princeton was down by 10 or 11 with only a few minutes to go, we decided to leave. I turned around and said to a young Princeton fan and his dad: "Our leaving early probably insures a great Princeton comeback." We didn't check the score until around 8:30 and we could.not.believe.it! It honestly seemed impossible at the time. This could be an amazing season!!!
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SRP
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12-03-23 12:51 AM - Post#360059
In response to mmp629
We used to call that the umbrella principle—if we brought an umbrella it wouldn’t rain but if we didn’t it would.
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Tiger69
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12-03-23 01:56 AM - Post#360061
In response to SRP
When we got down by 11 I finally gave up … almost. Every time we appeared to be closing the gap, Furman responded. I had thought we only needed a couple of 3s and we would be back in the game. But Furman was having none of it. We had to work hard for every 2 because we weren’t hitting the 3s and yet Furman came out to make sure that any tries would be contested. I kept my iPad handy as I started doing house chores. Only when we somehow closed to 3 did I start to refocus. We then tied it up and I stopped what I was doing. When Allocco got his 3 shot from Pierce’s unbelievable rebound and pass I was stunned and couldn’t get up for about 5 minutes. As Peters shouted last spring, anything is possible!
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SRP
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12-03-23 04:11 AM - Post#360063
In response to Tiger69
SportsCenter Top 10 had both Yale and Penn losing on buzzer-beaters but left out Allocco’s clutch three.
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sparman
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Furman
12-03-23 10:03 AM - Post#360069
In response to Tiger69
Yes, how often you see a team trying a last second desperation rebound that is wildly off the mark.
As a reward, next up the Tigers get Drexel, which yesterday beat #18 Villanova.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Furman
12-03-23 10:29 AM - Post#360071
In response to sparman
Yesterday my wife said she preferred to go to Longwood Gardens rather than the basketball game. So of course it was a trip to the Gardens. Tracked the game on my phone on the way home. Caught the last 4 minutes live which was of course an emotional roller coaster. We both yelled when Pierce made his 3-pointer and after that everything evolved almost as if scripted.
I have watched the end of the game several times, and the key play was two Furman players go for a rebound and knock it out of bounds.
Furman is VERY well coached and defended us well.
I wonder if Peters was ever zero for 10 from the three-point line in his life.
Xavian Lee’s box score is very impressive and he had key deflections and recoveries on 50/50 balls.
I seem to recall hearing that the key to defeating the 1-3-1 is to dribble through the initial double team and create an advantage around the basket. I guess Furman had not practiced that. I expect they will next year. And kudos to them for a home-and-home agreement.
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Bryan
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12-03-23 10:34 AM - Post#360072
In response to sparman
Furman had 6 offensive rebounds, Princeton had 12. Furman had 19 turnovers, Princeton had 6. That gave Princeton 19 extra chances to shoot and goes a long way toward explaining how the Tigers could win while shooting 4-31 from 3-point range. 6 of the 19 Furman turnovers were in the last 3 minutes.
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TigerFan
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12-03-23 12:05 PM - Post#360077
In response to Bryan
That game was just bonkers and the eruption of the crowd at the end was like reliving the joy of Sacramento.
When the Tigers went down by 11 with 14 minutes to play, my wife says “we’ll there’s still plenty of time left,” to which I responded “they just need to hit a couple of threes.” A few minutes later, my wife says “well there’s still plenty of time left,” to which I responded “they really need to hit a couple of threes.” Four minutes left, down 11, my wife asks “do you think there’s enough time left?” To which I answered “only if they can hit a couple of threes.”
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ToothlessTiger
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12-03-23 12:40 PM - Post#360078
In response to TigerFan
Nailed that one, TigerFan. My wife and I grabbed seats next to Derek Jones. I told her before the game no cheering on press row. She said, "I'll Ave to sit on my hands!" When Allocco"s shot went down, neither of us could help it. The response was deafening. By the way the Tigers were outrebounded for the first time this season because we took a lot more shots than did Furman and missed many of them.
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LocalTiger
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12-03-23 12:57 PM - Post#360082
In response to ToothlessTiger
Great game to watch.
Jadwin was loud for the last
5 minutes. A fun team to root for!
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1LotteryPick1969
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12-03-23 01:20 PM - Post#360084
In response to LocalTiger
Great game to watch.
Jadwin was loud for the last
5 minutes. A fun team to root for!
How about a Haiku?
Great game for the fans.
Jadwin loud last five minutes.
Fun team to root for.
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Tiger69
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12-03-23 01:31 PM - Post#360085
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I would have liked to have been there. I grew up in Princeton and attended many games in old Dillon gym. Gym capacity was about 2800. When the place was full end— often —the noise was deafening.
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SecS3
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Re: Furman
12-03-23 03:07 PM - Post#360091
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Furman may be very well coached but they had a serious brain freeze in the final three minutes. With three timeouts left they never called a one to calm their team down and talk about how they wanted to approach the 1-3-1 the Tigers were throwing at them. They just let the chaos go on.
I thought the biggest moment of the stretch run was Pierce's game tying three. You could just see the relief on everyone's faces when that went in. Seeing a shot finally go down, seemed like it took all the pressure off and erased the frustration the Tigers were experiencing. Even though Furman came right-down and scored again to retake the lead I sensed the Tigers knew this was their game now. Can't put into words how huge that O board and kick out to Allocco was that became the winner.
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SecS3
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12-03-23 03:08 PM - Post#360093
In response to Tiger69
Me too. Except I was there yesterday.
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gokinsmen
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Furman
12-03-23 03:54 PM - Post#360095
In response to SecS3
This team has a Brad Stevens era Butler energy. They can win close games in ugly fashion... but it's not luck. They have that extra "will to win" when shots aren't falling and can force their opponent to make mistakes under pressure.
Of course the Ivy season is a brand new ballgame so we're gonna need our 3pt shooting back (I'd settle for Peters shooting 33%). But I'm even more excited for the Drexel and St. Joe's games next week. Win both and we're looking at a Top 25 ranking.
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TigerFan
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12-03-23 04:31 PM - Post#360096
In response to ToothlessTiger
I was looking over your shoulder from Sec. 115, Tiger! I loved seeing the emotion in Jadwin, including from the nearly full west end zone bleachers.
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SRP
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12-03-23 04:56 PM - Post#360097
In response to TigerFan
The players mentioned fan support as an aid to their comeback. Of course, that wouldn’t explain the Bucknell game.
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Tiger81
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Re: Furman
12-03-23 07:05 PM - Post#360105
In response to gokinsmen
This team has a Brad Stevens era Butler energy. They can win close games in ugly fashion... but it's not luck. They have that extra "will to win" when shots aren't falling and can force their opponent to make mistakes under pressure.
They are definitely playing with an urgency and intensity that is at a different level. The core that returned from the Sweet Sixteen run knows what it takes to win and they are bringing that energy every game from the opening tip. You see that tenacity and physical play most clearly on 50-50 balls and on the defensive end. I also think that Matt Allocco’s leadership has a lot to do with the “will to win” culture of this year’s Tiger team. He is a force of nature.
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