Cvonvorys
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12-02-23 04:40 PM - Post#360012
Game is televised in the Philly area on NBC Sports Philadelphia (channel 595 on FIOS) at 4:45.
Penn - 1.5.
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Mike Porter
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12-02-23 06:28 PM - Post#360029
In response to Cvonvorys
Very annoying this is limited to regional viewing. Not sure that helps grow the Big 5
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palestra38
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12-02-23 06:40 PM - Post#360030
In response to Mike Porter
Tremendously entertaining half. Penn ruled in the half court, but couldn't control the defensive boards and made too many turnovers. Shooting the lights out but down by 1.
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Mike Porter
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12-02-23 06:49 PM - Post#360031
In response to palestra38
Not watching unfortunately, but smaller, less athletic lineup will mean less rebounds. Better in other ways, but I’m already annoyed if this is going to be second game in a row with 0 minutes for Holland. I get if you want to start someone else, but 0 mins?
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20Penn14
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12-02-23 08:07 PM - Post#360033
In response to Mike Porter
Heck of a shot to end the game
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weinhauers_ghost
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12-02-23 08:21 PM - Post#360034
In response to 20Penn14
Seriously. That's two overtime losses on Hail Mary shots that dropped.
Painful. We could have won this one, but couldn't make plays at a few critical points.
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UPIA1968
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12-02-23 08:22 PM - Post#360035
In response to 20Penn14
Penn has three OT losses in which they have shot 51% or less from the line. With one more FT in each game they would be 7 and 1 with only a close loss to a very good St. Joes team.
Good teams make their free throws.
With good free throwing Penn would be a legitimate offensive team. However, this game will not help their 258 ranking on defense. LaSalle shot 44% from three and 68% from two.
Someone on the coverage asked how Penn could be ranked 5th in the Ives. Easy - Princeton is ranked 53, Yale 87, Cornell 113, and Harvard 148. Penn just lost to a 199 team. Looks like their rank around 200 is justified. (The LaSalle game is not updated in KP yet.
Interesting game. Clearly the team is better than we feared, but not as good as we hoped.
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UPIA1968
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12-02-23 08:43 PM - Post#360036
In response to UPIA1968
KP just updated
Significant stats
Rank 194
Offense 108
Defense 297
FT% 328
Offensive RB 52.
Three shooting % 43
Interesting stat. George Smith average one shot per each 7.5 minutes played. Every other player averages at least one shot per 4 minutes played. As hard as he works, Penn cannot afford a guard who is a dead zone for seven minutes at a time.
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Chip Bayers
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12-02-23 09:01 PM - Post#360037
In response to Mike Porter
Very annoying this is limited to regional viewing. Not sure that helps grow the Big 5
The game was streaming on Peacock outside Comcast Philly footprint.
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Mike Porter
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12-02-23 09:15 PM - Post#360039
In response to Chip Bayers
Very annoying this is limited to regional viewing. Not sure that helps grow the Big 5
The game was streaming on Peacock outside Comcast Philly footprint.
Weird, I saw it listed as NBC Sports and then it said it was not available in my area from there. Would have been nice if NBC promoted that. I don’t have Peacock so they could have used that to sign me up.
That said, probably for the best I didn’t watch, I would be more annoyed.
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Mike Porter
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Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 09:19 PM - Post#360041
In response to Mike Porter
So I guess I’ll se if I can watch a replay later but seems to me the 4 guard rotation and phasing out or significant reduction of minutes for earlier starters or backups hasn’t done much for defense per the stats. Rebounding is worse and scoring seems a bit better.
Curious for those who watched, how did Thrower look in minutes he got because this wasn’t a great match up for Sam Brown?
Also do we think Holland and Walter ran over Coach Donahue’s pet a few weeks back or? I’m not sure what going from starter to no minutes for Holland says when you look at his stats in the first 6 games, but for me not a great look for one of the Philly kids we actually won a recruiting battle for in this era. I’d love someone to tell me how an efficient scoring, athletic, 6’6” kid can’t help this team?
Edited by Mike Porter on 12-02-23 09:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
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Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 09:19 PM - Post#360042
In response to Mike Porter
Peacock was in the pre-game stuff from Penn and was listed as a option in the game entry on the Penn schedule on the Penn Athletics site.
I was at the game and didn’t see this until after.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 12-02-23 09:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Mike Porter
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 09:25 PM - Post#360043
In response to Chip Bayers
Peacock was in the pre-game stuff from Penn and was listed as a option in the game entry on the Penn schedule on the Penn Athletics site.
I was at the game and didn’t see this until after.
Yeah no worries, I was clearly looking the wrong places. When I checked one of the sports apps it told me NBC Sports. I haven’t looked at Penn athletics site in ages so will def check that next time.
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Chip Bayers
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Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 09:49 PM - Post#360047
In response to UPIA1968
KP just updated
Significant stats
Rank 194
Offense 108
Defense 297
FT% 328
Offensive RB 52.
Three shooting % 43
Interesting stat. George Smith average one shot per each 7.5 minutes played. Every other player averages at least one shot per 4 minutes played. As hard as he works, Penn cannot afford a guard who is a dead zone for seven minutes at a time.
Sam Brown had only four shots in 30 minutes so Smith wasn’t the only one today. But it didn’t matter. I want Smith to look for his shot more too, but we scored 1.26 points per possession in this game so it wasn’t at all an issue today.
And he’s the only guy out there right now who seems to have any idea of how to play D properly whether we’re playing zone (which was most of today) or man.
The problem is most of the rest of the guys don’t right now, especially when we play 4 guards/1 big. Clark, even with his brilliant offensive game today, is huge liability at the other end. Perkins appears to have the skills to, and is a plus rebounder for his size, but needs more experience on D principles I think. None of the other guards have distinguished themselves yet.
Gearhart is by far our best big on D right now—Nick could learn something simply watching his help-and-recover hedging screens in man-to-man, but like Perkins also needs more seasoning in team D concepts. Spinoso, Eddie (when he plays), Laz, and Walter all contribute as off-the-ball helpers but have yet to show any ability to stop opposing bigs when faced up on them in the post.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 12-02-23 10:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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final479
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 11:02 PM - Post#360055
In response to Chip Bayers
Link to condensed game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEK7k4RwfVg
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palestra38
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 11:28 PM - Post#360056
In response to Chip Bayers
100-1 he hits that shot. Sometimes, you just have to take a deep breath and just accept you're getting screwed. This was a really good W until that prayer went in. Someday, though, I want to see us win the games that come down to the wire. Steve's record is not good in those games.
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borschtbelt
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-02-23 11:37 PM - Post#360058
In response to Mike Porter
Thrower--played just fine. Nothing exceptional and nothing bad. Shot 2-3 I think.
Holland--who knows. Haven't read any obits about the dog. Steve may be a little like Dunph--values no mistakes--that's Smith. I also think Holland was in a vicious spiral. Coach shows no confidence--player looking over his shoulder plays worse--coach has less confidence. Only the Shadow and Steve really know.
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slane
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12-03-23 02:08 AM - Post#360062
In response to borschtbelt
Watch the clip. It sure looks to me like Brantley traveled on his winning 3 pointer
https://twitter.com/NBCSports/status/1731 103768282...
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Penndemonium
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12-03-23 04:52 AM - Post#360064
In response to slane
I am not a rules expert, but I would say no travel. I looked closely and you are right that there are multiple steps there. The question to me is when did he pick up his dribble.
The team actually did a good job of getting in his way without fouling. What a bad break.
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borschtbelt
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12-03-23 09:16 AM - Post#360065
In response to Penndemonium
The announcers were applauding Perkins talent. The play by play announcer asked how Penn could keep Perkins if he kept developing. Dr G said kids like Tyler at schools like Penn stayed. I thought it was a great question. I'm not sure the Penn degree is worth two years of NIL money elsewhere, but let's hope he does keep improving and that Dr G is right.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-03-23 09:46 AM - Post#360067
In response to Mike Porter
No idea on Holland, but I will make some guesses. Brown getting healthy added a player to the mix, and at least for the last two games that has pushed Holland out. I do think we’ve happened to get two straight against opponents where the matchup on paper called for Smith at the 4. The problem I am having is that sometimes playing mismatches works, and I thought yesterday was a day to try a mismatch more. I guess the offense was running on all cylinders and Steve didn’t want to mess with that, but I would have liked to try a little more length on D (weird that Holland would be a “big” option at the 4) to see if we could get some more stops, particularly when we had the lead.
I will throw Holland into my recent comments on Thrower — the defense has gotten much, much worse as we have played both guys less. May be a coincidence and/or something that would be happening even if they were playing more.
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mbaprof
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12-03-23 09:54 AM - Post#360068
In response to slane
Three full steps
Travel
I actually thought they might have been reviewing that
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palestra38
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12-03-23 10:12 AM - Post#360070
In response to mbaprof
Doesn't look like a travel to me....aside from the fact that they would never call it there off a dribble. Just bad luck for us.
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Chip Bayers
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12-03-23 02:49 PM - Post#360089
In response to palestra38
Yeah I thought it was a wrong foot Eurostep.
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Chip Bayers
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Penn v La Salle
12-03-23 03:06 PM - Post#360090
In response to Chip Bayers
BTW, they’re claiming 15K attendance yesterday, which is the most laughable lie.
The only thing I can imagine is that they sold 7500 seats to Villanova fans who thought they would be in the night game, and didn’t show because they also had tickets to their football playoff game.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 12-03-23 03:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SteveChop
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Re: Penn v La Salle
12-04-23 12:00 AM - Post#360111
In response to Chip Bayers
First of all, nooners saying that there were ever 15,000 there at any time. The crowd was fluid depending on who was on the court.
Second, I heard that they did not let the schools return unsold tix. Don’t know how many of them there were but that would contribute to the large “crowd” total.
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Chip Bayers
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12-04-23 02:34 PM - Post#360138
In response to SteveChop
I saw both Dick Weiss and AP writer Aaron Bracy on Twitter appear to take the 15K as actual attendance, not tickets sold.
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