LocalTiger
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02-16-24 11:01 AM - Post#363270
Beware the trap game.
Yale is tomorrow, but
Brown is a tough match-up
for us. They have active,
talented bigs and Lilly
is a tough guy for us
(or anybody) to guard.
We need this game to stay
in the Title hunt. It would be a huge
plus if the bench contributes and
Allocco in particular gets some rest.
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Bryan
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Re: Brown 2
02-16-24 11:50 AM - Post#363273
In response to LocalTiger
For Eric, ESPN shows Princeton as a 12.5 point favorite and the over/under as 142.5.
In the first game Princeton doubled Lilly on many of the ball screens for him which left other Brown players open for 3-point shots. I expect Brown to make adjustments to make it easier for Lilly to get 1 on 1 opportunities.
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Eric Von Zipper
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02-16-24 02:55 PM - Post#363297
In response to Bryan
Princeton -13 O/U 141
Last time I checked, ESPN doesn't take any action.
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SRP
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02-16-24 07:59 PM - Post#363308
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Their hyphenated big guy is their best all-around player, but keeping Lily from hitting threes is key. Also need to do a better job rebounding this time. If PU gets the same number of FGA or better, they should win.
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SRP
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02-16-24 08:18 PM - Post#363311
In response to SRP
Pretty good first-shot D so far, but the defensive rebounding has been poor. Pierce playing through an early injury.
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SRP
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02-16-24 08:41 PM - Post#363312
In response to SRP
Tigers looking sluggish on both ends, getting clobbered on the boards, giving up good looks to a determined Brown team. Treys are not falling for Princeton.
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SRP
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02-16-24 08:46 PM - Post#363315
In response to SRP
25-30 at the half. Foul game is the only real advantage, although Lilly’s scoring has been limited by some tough D on him specifically. But Brown has been quicker and more physical.
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sparman
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02-16-24 08:48 PM - Post#363316
In response to SRP
Looks to me like Tigers have become a 2-person team, Lee and Pierce. Everyone else is to fill out the 5 player requirement (yes, I saw Hoosiers).
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SRP
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02-16-24 08:52 PM - Post#363318
In response to sparman
Allocco gets in there too, and they’ve thrown a few passes to cutters, but yeah—lots of iso and two-man play with lots of standing around. I would love to see them try some Warriors-style motion if they’re not going to run traditional Princeton stuff.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:09 PM - Post#363319
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Better energy coming out for the second half, but still down six after cutting the lead to two twice.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:22 PM - Post#363322
In response to SRP
Steal and transition three by DD cuts the lead to seven. Then they draw an illegal screen on Brown. It’s go time to make a run.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:33 PM - Post#363323
In response to SRP
Another trey by Owusu-Anane pushes Brown’s lead back to five. But the Tigers look much better in the last few minutes.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:38 PM - Post#363324
In response to SRP
Allocco with consecutive great defensive plays, a technical against coach Martin, and the Tigers are up three.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:41 PM - Post#363325
In response to SRP
Allocco sets up Lee for an incredible finish and a five-point lead.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:44 PM - Post#363326
In response to SRP
Lead now nine, with the D having gone up two levels in intensity. Brown with FTs coming.
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SRP
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02-16-24 09:59 PM - Post#363329
In response to SRP
Hope the guys aren’t too worn out by all those starter minutes. But Allocco & co really shut down Lilly while forcing a bunch of turnovers. Once again, ball pressure and steals came through when they weee giving up a high shooting percentage.
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sparman
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02-16-24 10:05 PM - Post#363330
In response to SRP
Nice comeback in 2H. As you say they ramped up. Interesting to see Davis in during the important moments.
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gokinsmen
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Brown 2
02-16-24 10:14 PM - Post#363332
In response to sparman
What a great comeback! That said, I'm still annoyed that our guys keep waiting till the 2nd half to play physical even though Ivy refs ignore most reach-ins and bumps. Play physical from the tip and you'll win every Ivy game.
Lilly taking that last 3 after we kindly took a shotclock violation was pathetic. I don't blame Brown players on the whole - just Lilly and Martin. Classless. I thought Brown would have a much better season. Now I see why I was wrong: no leadership from the coach or star player.
Meanwhile, Mush really showed his value tonight. His scoring can be replaced but Pierce and Lee need to emulate his leadership skills.
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gokinsmen
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Brown 2
02-16-24 10:15 PM - Post#363333
In response to gokinsmen
BTW, I'm not worried about fatigue - I'm more excited about the team riding this emotional wave. Keep playing like this tomorrow.
In last year's ILT, Yale didn't break a sweat beating Cornell while our guys played a close one with Penn. Guess who triumphed the next day? No matter what happens tomorrow, I don't think fatigue will matter much. Heck, fresh legs didn't help our shooting today.
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mmp629
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Re: Brown 2
02-16-24 10:32 PM - Post#363335
In response to gokinsmen
Love this perspective! I'm buying in on this theory 100%.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Brown 2
02-16-24 10:38 PM - Post#363336
In response to mmp629
I note that I always feel better when Davis is on the floor. And wow did he hustle on defense tonight.
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LocalTiger
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02-16-24 10:39 PM - Post#363337
In response to mmp629
Gutsy win, but we need to control the defensive
Board.
Any insight on whether Knowling plays tomorrow?
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Tiger69
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02-16-24 10:43 PM - Post#363339
In response to mmp629
Brown played two tough games against us this season. Their offense was unable to compensate for our ability to effectively shut down Lily. I can forgive them for some frustration after playing so hard but still coming up short. OTOH our guys never gave up even after our very cold night at the 3. GO TIGERS!
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gokinsmen
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Brown 2
02-16-24 10:51 PM - Post#363340
In response to Tiger69
I think the St. Joe's game made us way too tentative on defense. Pierce, and to a lesser extent Lee, got in foul trouble and that's why we lost. Since then, we've been extra contact-averse and it's caught up to us in conference play.
Ivy refs are very laissez-faire, always have been. They let players reach-in on drives, bump each other on screens, etc. Yale and Cornell know this, but our guys seem to be in denial. It's a shame because look what happens when we turn up the heat on defense - suffocation.
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TigerFan
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02-16-24 11:25 PM - Post#363342
In response to gokinsmen
Another gritty win by the Tigers. Down 10 in the second half, things were looking pretty bleak but our guys really dug deep. Mush, in particular, was just not going to let the team loose. Likewise, the crowd (much smaller that vs Penn or what we’ll likely see tomorrow night) was really fired up. I’m psyched for tomorrow!
PS. I agree with the earlier post that after Davis dribbled out the entire shot clock at the end of the game, it was really classless for Lilly to run up the court and fire up a three at the buzzer with no one guarding him.
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Bruno
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02-16-24 11:36 PM - Post#363343
In response to TigerFan
Take it easy.
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iogyhufi
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02-16-24 11:47 PM - Post#363344
In response to LocalTiger
Jon Rothstein says that Coach Jones is hopeful. That's all the insight I've got, I'm afraid.
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SRP
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02-16-24 11:49 PM - Post#363345
In response to Bruno
Guy wants to pad his stats, no big deal.
My uncatchy metaphor for Allocco is caulk, because he fills in wherever there’s a gap. Late in the shot clock? Pull-up midrange jumper. Down by ten late? Pressure up and force turnovers. Team out of offensive rhythm? Push the pace and dish or finish.
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Old Bear
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02-17-24 10:15 AM - Post#363363
In response to SRP
From the stat line, Tigers shot 31 FTs, Brown 5.
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Bruno
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02-17-24 11:35 AM - Post#363368
In response to Old Bear
Eight of those were Brown fouling intentionally late, but still lopsided before that. Don’t know if we weren’t getting calls or Princeton just much more aggressive. But at best it was unbalanced and at worst it was a true snow job.
As the worst FT shooting team in the league though I don’t mind a Brown strategy that doesn’t leverage the foul line.
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SRP
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02-17-24 04:25 PM - Post#363377
In response to Bruno
Princeton generally has a low foul rate, including in away games both in and out of conference. And Brown was encouraging drives to the basket by crowding the three-point line. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tigers got two or three extra calls yesterday.
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