Eric Von Zipper
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03-02-24 04:06 PM - Post#364283
Princeton -5 O/U 156
For what its worth, Cornell lost at home to Brown and followed that bust up with an epic struggle against Pennsylvania last night.
As a punter I'm laying the 5 tonight as a strong play.
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TigerFan
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03-02-24 05:55 PM - Post#364288
In response to Eric Von Zipper
The game is officially sold out.
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Albert08
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03-02-24 06:57 PM - Post#364293
In response to TigerFan
During the ESPN+ live stream of the women's game against Dartmouth, play-by-play guy Jon Mozes mentioned that the ESPN+ stream of the Cornell game will feature Mason Hooks alongside Derek Jones, apparently as a replacement for Noah Savage.
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:00 PM - Post#364298
In response to Albert08
Mason Hooks! Another fondly remembered basketball name.
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:10 PM - Post#364299
In response to SRP
Poor start for the Tigers. Pierce is missing the rim as he did yesterday and Cornell has beaten them down the floor a few times.
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:20 PM - Post#364300
In response to SRP
Pierce not getting any calls on offense, but PU turning Cornell over three times in a row has the game down to a four-point deficit with the Tigers in possession after Earl had to call a timeout.
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:30 PM - Post#364301
In response to SRP
Down seven with Davis forcing offense a bit and several missed treys on one possession. Tigers getting sped up of late, and it’s helping Cornell get secondary break drives to the rim.
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Tiger81
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Cornell
03-02-24 08:30 PM - Post#364302
In response to SRP
Lead back to 7 Tigers 1-9 from 3P. Princeton having problems getting to the rim and foul line.
Edited by Tiger81 on 03-02-24 08:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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sparman
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03-02-24 08:35 PM - Post#364304
In response to Tiger81
Will be hard to win if only 3 players are going to score.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 08:40 PM - Post#364305
In response to sparman
2-13 now from 3P, only 8 points in the paint
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:41 PM - Post#364306
In response to sparman
Martini has had at least five great looks that didn’t go down. If Cornell keeps giving those up they’ll get burned eventually.
The D is good when they pressure the ball and get in the passing lane to the nearest guy. Otherwise….
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SRP
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03-02-24 08:47 PM - Post#364307
In response to SRP
Happy to be only down two. Cornell is just tough stylistic matchup for this year’s edition of the Tigers.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 08:48 PM - Post#364308
In response to Tiger81
Down 2 not a bad place to be given the poor shooting in 1H. After a rocky start the D looks much more active and physical. Tigers need Lee to get more shots and penetration to open up the offense.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 09:10 PM - Post#364309
In response to Tiger81
Dalen Davis has been beaten off the dribble and on back door cuts several times already. A huge spark on offense and a capable perimeter defender but a liability against a team like Cornell.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:19 PM - Post#364312
In response to Tiger81
Up 3 with 11:14 left. Entertaining if nerve-wracking so far. Cornell already has five team fouls and Pierce is really asserting himself on both ends.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:27 PM - Post#364313
In response to SRP
Some bad turnovers and the lead is still three with 8:20 left. Cornell is grabbing ORs
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sparman
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03-02-24 09:29 PM - Post#364314
In response to SRP
Rough patch after it looked like they might be getting some separation.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:29 PM - Post#364315
In response to SRP
Tied and Cornell about to shoot FTs.DD with four fouls. Tigers need to stay strong without fouling.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 09:30 PM - Post#364316
In response to SRP
Tigers look a step slower than Cornell on both ends right now, they will need to ratchet up their intensity over the final 7 minutes.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-02-24 09:30 PM - Post#364317
In response to sparman
Press is hurting us; short shot clock after crossing mid-court.
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umbrellaman
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03-02-24 09:37 PM - Post#364319
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Looks like they are wearing the Tigers down - lack of depth hurting them.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:38 PM - Post#364320
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Down five with 4:21 left feels bad. Cornell is winning at the rim on both ends, including with the officials. They will need to hit some big treys to pull this out.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:41 PM - Post#364321
In response to SRP
Two big turnovers by Cornell, only down three with possession. Have to score now.
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umbrellaman
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03-02-24 09:43 PM - Post#364323
In response to SRP
Yeah - thought Princeton being in the early bonus would prove pivotal, but Cornell close to even on fouls now.
Brian Earl's system is in many ways an opposite of the Princeton system - they roll a lot of guys out there, aren't so precise with things, and deal with mistakes and errors with the volume of possessions.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 09:45 PM - Post#364324
In response to SRP
This is where Matt Allocco has stepped up so many times, Senior Night with the Ivy title on the line … last 2 minutes will be a frenzy
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sparman
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03-02-24 09:48 PM - Post#364325
In response to Tiger81
No excitement shortage.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:48 PM - Post#364326
In response to Tiger81
Lee trey, stop, and Pierce FTs, now endless review of OOB possession. PU gets it tied!
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:50 PM - Post#364327
In response to SRP
Beautiful Allocco drive, dish to Pierce, dunk and one! FTA is big here.
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:55 PM - Post#364328
In response to SRP
Manon had great look at the three to tie, but no joy for him. Lee struggling at the FT line and then the refs bail out Cornell twice on the same possession .
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SRP
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03-02-24 09:57 PM - Post#364329
In response to SRP
Up three with 16.6 seconds left, Cornell TO to set us press. DD in with four fouls.
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SRP
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03-02-24 10:03 PM - Post#364330
In response to SRP
White-knuckle ending but Scott is clutch on the second FTA, up four WTH under five seconds left and Lee at the line. True home-court victory under intense pressure.
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sparman
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Cornell
03-02-24 10:03 PM - Post#364331
In response to SRP
That's it! Great effort. Nerve wracking.
Lee could use FT practice.He was money for most of the season.
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Tiger81
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03-02-24 10:05 PM - Post#364332
In response to sparman
Wow, clutch last few minutes results in a W.
Go Tigers!
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gokinsmen
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Cornell
03-02-24 10:06 PM - Post#364333
In response to SRP
Woohooooo! What a beautifully ugly win!
Amazing effort - I knew Mush couldn't sit out. What a game on senior night. Xaivian struggling with his shot lately (fatigue?) but he still made huge plays. And Caden Pierce is just special - they guy is just a tireless machine. I think Pierce is my slight favorite for POY.
Also, I swear we have the highest Opponent FG% in the final 10 seconds of every half. Vegas must be upset to see a meaningless 3 ruin the spread.
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SRP
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03-02-24 10:10 PM - Post#364335
In response to gokinsmen
One key was not letting Gray go off for Cornell. He got to the rim maybe three times after killing Princeton in Ithaca. Williams and Manon almost made up for it. But too much clutch play from the Tigers down the stretch.
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gokinsmen
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Cornell
03-02-24 10:13 PM - Post#364337
In response to SRP
I really, really, really don't want to see Cornell in the ILT.
Both Yale and a rejuvenated Brown will give us everything we can handle. But for obvious reasons, Brian has the inside track against Mitch compared to other Ivy coaches.
This is the first year where Earl has multiple All-Ivy caliber players (Manon and Nazir Williams) and that's making all the difference compared to last year.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Cornell
03-02-24 10:19 PM - Post#364339
In response to sparman
Lee could use FT practice.He was money for most of the season.
I think the fatigue is finally getting to Lee and Danny Wolf - open shots/FTs suddenly not falling. As sophomores who barely played as freshmen, they're not used to playing this much, this late. Hopefully, Lee gets some extra rest this week - chill on practice and take it easy.
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umbrellaman
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Re: Cornell
03-02-24 10:50 PM - Post#364343
In response to gokinsmen
I think this is tiebreaker scenario:
If Princeton and Yale win - Princeton is the #1 seed based on NET ratings.
If Princeton and Yale lose
Princeton is #1 seed by virtue of being 2-0 vs Brown, whether or not Cornell wins and it's a 3 way tie.
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mmp629
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03-02-24 11:21 PM - Post#364349
In response to umbrellaman
Wow! This team always believes it can win any game! I believe it, too.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-03-24 12:34 AM - Post#364355
In response to SRP
One of the best plays you will ever see!
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Tiger81
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Cornell
03-03-24 08:46 AM - Post#364366
In response to ToothlessTiger
In the Trentonian’s Cornell write-up Kyle Franco made this observation:
Yet the unsung hero of the night may have just been Scott. The son of the former Princeton coach knocked down the second of two free throws with 14 seconds that gave the Tigers a four-point lead.
That Scott was in the game was a bit of surprise — he logged nearly 18 minutes — given that he’s never been in that situation before.
Very interesting that Coach Henderson did not have his starters on the floor in crunch time. I assume he thought that Scott improved Princeton’s defensive look against the taller Big Red. And Dalen Davis had already been victimized several times by Cornell’s penetration and off-ball movement. In any case, very cool to see yet another member of the stellar sophomore class step up and play a critical role in such a huge game!
Assuming Princeton holds serve in the Palestra, the ILT is shaping up as an epic battle. The Tigers will be playing their traditional rivals and will need to beat them in consecutive games (and 12 in a row) and the 2/3 game will be the best semi in the tournament’s history.
Edited by Tiger81 on 03-03-24 08:49 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger69
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03-03-24 10:10 AM - Post#364372
In response to ToothlessTiger
As I’m in Mexico I cannot watch the games online. I was out with friends last night who have no Tiger.connection, so I couldn’t even listen to the game! I peeked at my iPhone every few minutes for the ongoing stats. It was driving me nuts! WHAT A GAME!
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sparman
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Cornell
03-03-24 10:48 AM - Post#364376
In response to Tiger69
Intermittent internet in Mexico?
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TigerFan
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03-03-24 11:51 AM - Post#364383
In response to sparman
Fantastic night at Jadwin! This team just refuses to give up. When Cornell stormed back to take all the momentum and go up 5 with four and a half minutes left, I thought the Tigers were sunk. Obviously the players didn't think so. They just re-focused, made some great plays and toughed it out.
Jadwin was raucous. I've been watching the Tigers since the mid-70s and I can't remember the gym being that loud or engaged. (There was a time when our friends and rivals to the south criticized the Jadwin fans for lack of noise and enthusiasm and I agreed with them at the time). The Princeton marketing people and in-game orchestrators (job title?) are doing an amazing job. They even added a "noise meter" thingy on the scoreboard last night and the crowd went wild.
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Albert08
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 11:55 AM - Post#364384
In response to sparman
I hope they have more than "intermittent" internet in Colorado Springs.
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Tiger69
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 Re: Cornell
03-03-24 12:02 PM - Post#364385
In response to sparman
Well, there might be some way to see the games. There are sports bars here. But, I’m a Luddite stuck in the 20th century.
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whitakk
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03-03-24 12:02 PM - Post#364386
In response to Albert08
Princeton's scoring margin in Ivy play:
+0.6 first 10min
+1.5 second 10min
+1.5 third 10min
+5.1 final 10min
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TigerFan
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03-03-24 12:11 PM - Post#364387
In response to whitakk
Fantastic stat. And the last 10 minutes would look even better if you subtracted the uncontested three-pointers that our opponents keep nailing at the buzzer after the game has already been decided.
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Tiger81
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03-03-24 12:21 PM - Post#364388
In response to whitakk
Princeton's scoring margin in Ivy play:
+0.6 first 10min
+1.5 second 10min
+1.5 third 10min
+5.1 final 10min
THAT is an eye-opener!
I did not realize how slim the margins had been through 30 minutes, although the blowout in Ithaca probably had an outsized impact on the average point differential.
It also undercuts the lack of depth concerns. It turns out the Iron Five (or Six) still has had gas in the tank to close out games. Last night when the Big Red went up +5 with 4 minutes to go I sensed some fatigue, but Coach Henderson’s timeout seemed to give the team the jolt they needed.
A critical feature of the success of this year’s team is that they have not gotten into foul trouble or suffered major injuries. That, and their conditioning and grittiness, has made their short bench a minor factor and positioned the Tigers as a very tough team to beat.
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gokinsmen
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Cornell
03-03-24 01:36 PM - Post#364405
In response to Tiger81
I'm guessing their elite FT shooting (81%) is also a huge advantage late in games.
Once they're in the bonus or opponents have to play the foul game, it's decidedly Advantage Tigers. A 3-4 pt lead might as well be 7-8. While Lee has missed some FTs of late, Pierce has drastically improved his FT% in conference play.
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sparman
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 01:58 PM - Post#364408
In response to Tiger69
Assuming the internet is reasonable speed, if you can log on to post here, you can watch the games on espn+. You need to subscribe for $11/mo.
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TigerFan
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 02:47 PM - Post#364411
In response to gokinsmen
Princeton is now #1 in nation in fewest turnovers per game, #2 in free throw shooting, #3 in fouls, and #7 in assist to turnover ratio.
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LocalTiger
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Cornell
03-03-24 04:24 PM - Post#364417
In response to TigerFan
Two gutsy wins. I think Allocco ended the debate
about his worthiness for All Ivy, and Pierce made
a pretty strong case for POY. Hope he and lee
don't split the support, but a definite first world
problem. On to Penn.....
The tournament figures to be VERY tough, but this
team thrives in pressure situations. The stat on last
10 minutes is impressive but not surprising.
Edited by LocalTiger on 03-03-24 04:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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whitakk
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 09:07 PM - Post#364432
In response to LocalTiger
Hope he and lee don't split the support, but a definite first world problem.
not positive on this, but IIRC for POY (and probably the other single awards) each team nominates only one player who's eligible, precisely to avoid this problem.
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Tiger69
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 10:10 PM - Post#364434
In response to sparman
I have ESPN+. Sadly, it doesn’t broadcast entire games or reruns (only highlights?!?) Mexico. Have to wait until I get home in late March to see the full games.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Cornell
03-03-24 11:27 PM - Post#364437
In response to Tiger69
I think there may be a solution to that problem. Yale advertises on its schedule website a way to "watch internationally," which directs you to the Stretch Internet site. Princeton seems to have its own version of the site, and it looks to me like you can catch the MBB games there. I want to stress that I've never used this site and don't know how/if it works, but I assume it's a legitimate option if the Yale athletic office endorses it.
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SRP
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03-03-24 11:55 PM - Post#364440
In response to iogyhufi
This a great competitive team, more than a dominating outfit. I was surprised to see those +/- splits by “quarter”—I thought they were stronger toward the end of first halves—but they have definitely hit opponents with timely second-half runs. Since they avoid fouling it’s hard for them to force turnovers, but their runs do seem to be fueled by stringing a few together.
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sparman
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Re: Cornell
03-04-24 09:00 AM - Post#364452
In response to Tiger69
I have ESPN+. Sadly, it doesn’t broadcast entire games or reruns (only highlights?!?) Mexico. Have to wait until I get home in late March to see the full games.
Interesting, I had never heard of this problem, but a quick search with Ms. Google reveals it is a commonly searched issue.
In addition to exploring the solution suggested by our yale friend, apparently another common approach is to use a VPN that is not based in Mexico. An extra cost but would have the benefit of adding general privacy protection.
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