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03-21-24 08:36 AM - Post#366009
Chris Manon is getting some early attention.
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/statu s/1770610...
Arkansas
Clemson
UMass
Davidson
Delaware
Georgetown
Iona
James Madison
Loyola-Chicago
Minnesota
Pitt
Richmond
Rhode Island
St. Joseph's (PA)
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rbg
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03-21-24 08:51 AM - Post#366010
In response to rbg
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph)
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad)
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad)
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad)
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Edited by rbg on 03-21-24 08:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rbg
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03-22-24 01:48 PM - Post#366074
In response to rbg
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph)
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad)
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad)
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad)
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
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rbg
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03-23-24 12:21 PM - Post#366223
In response to rbg
Maybe I should change the thread to player/coaching changes.
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph)
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad)
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad)
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad)
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Coaches
Brian Earl (Cornell) - College of William & Mary
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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03-26-24 10:45 AM - Post#366478
In response to rbg
Reports that Mack entered the portal:
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/news/ harvard-g...
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mobrien
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03-26-24 11:50 AM - Post#366490
In response to JDP
The league is losing its two best freshman. Probably going to lose one of its best sophomores in Wolf if, as everyone expects, he ends up entering the portal as well. Not to mention one of its best juniors in Owusu-Anane.
It's a crisis, and I don't know how much can realistically be done. Even if there were collectives, they'd have to give a lot just so that players broke even with the financial aid they'd lose for getting NIL money.
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03-26-24 12:02 PM - Post#366492
In response to mobrien
You stated that the league is losing its best two freshmen. Is Princeton's Dalen Davis transferring??
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jeromelh
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03-26-24 12:08 PM - Post#366493
In response to jeromelh
My bad. You were referring to Perkins.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-26-24 12:08 PM - Post#366494
In response to jeromelh
Tyler P
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mobrien
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03-26-24 12:15 PM - Post#366495
In response to jeromelh
Davis is going to be a heck of a player; no argument from me there. But you know what I meant. The league's two most productive freshmen.
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james
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03-26-24 12:29 PM - Post#366497
In response to mobrien
Mack is currently ranked #3 in the On3 transfer portal
nothing can be done. prospective collectives are just a bandaid on a bullet wound for us
the good news is most ivies cant really replace them other than through hs recruiting. so teams get net younger (while losing most talented players) while high level competition gets older through the portal
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james
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03-26-24 12:31 PM - Post#366498
In response to james
be curious if amaker, jones and henderson hold put or just take a flyer on another mid major without transfer and financial aid restrictions
a la earl whch maybe is less odd or more desperation. i did think cornell could take transfers so might be net good for them
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gokinsmen
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 01:07 PM - Post#366504
In response to james
I think it comes down to two things:
1) Player satisfaction. Are the players happy with their role on the team? Do they feel they can win a lot, get to March Madness and get NBA attention where they are?
2) Player financial need. Ivies will now be hesitant to offer recruits who may need the NIL payday. More than ever, teams really will be made up of "rich kids." Not just upper-middle class, but simply upper-class.
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palestra38
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 01:10 PM - Post#366506
In response to gokinsmen
Type of money we are talking about is tough to turn down by anyone---even the "Upper Class" (love that archaic term) will want the payday, especially since they'll find a way to get the degree anyway.
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penn nation
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 01:12 PM - Post#366507
In response to gokinsmen
Of course, many college athletic teams are already made up of these kids already. Just like legacy admissions. Not too many places you can practice being on the sailing team, fencing team, rowing team, squash, etc, unless you either have the resources to have private instruction/travel teams or attend an expensive private school that has the facilities/teams which have these sports.
I think it really comes down to two things:
1) Player satisfaction. Are the players happy with their situation? Are they happy with their role on the team? Do they feel they can win a lot, get to March Madness and get NBA attention where they are?
2) Player financial need. Ivies will now be hesitant to offer recruits who may need the NIL payday. More than ever, teams really will be made up of "rich kids." Not just upper-middle class, but simply upper-class.
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03-26-24 01:15 PM - Post#366508
In response to palestra38
just read of a guy who in his will left the proceeds from the sale of his vacation home to fsu football NIL
that netted to $3mm pre tax (not sure the treatment)
frenzy.
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gokinsmen
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 01:19 PM - Post#366509
In response to palestra38
It's tough to turn down, but not impossible. There are kids who love where they are and don't want the upheaval of starting over at another school, even for a six-figure sum. They have an amazing basketball and academic situation where they are and don't want to jeopardize that.
For the record, you can still get paid NIL money in the Ivies. I know it's not much (yet), but I noticed both Caden Pierce and Kaitlyn Chen had sponsored Instagram posts for #Powerade this week. Until Pierce or Lee transfer out, I'm not panicking. I'd include Wolf but I don't know enough about him or his family to make assumptions about finances/satisfaction.
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Tiger81
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 01:20 PM - Post#366510
In response to mobrien
Probably going to lose one of its best sophomores in Wolf if, as everyone expects, he ends up entering the portal as well.
I have seen it speculated that Wolf and possibly Lee might opt for the portal (for some reason Pierce is rarely mentioned).
But I have not seen anyone express an expectation that Wolf will go - where is that coming from and why?
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Silver Maple
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03-26-24 01:27 PM - Post#366513
In response to james
Since the establishment of the conference in 1954 (?), the Ivies have generally managed to stay within spitting distance of something vaguely resembling competitiveness at the D1 level in the money sports. However, college sports is now going through a sea change and is becoming unrecognizable. I know that the Princeton and Yale fans are feeling pretty good right now, but I think reality is eventually going to slam into their programs soon as well.
I honestly don't see how the league can remain competitive in this New World Order without taking steps that I (and, probably, many of you) can't stomach. I've never been a supporter of our conference dropping down to D2 or D3 in the past, but I'm now in the process of doing a 180 on that POV.
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03-26-24 01:29 PM - Post#366514
In response to Tiger81
wolf has been offered nil and a developmental contract with a big club in israel. i trust the source though i didnt get it from wolf's mouth.
his dad is a successful business guy.
the coaches are in the know at this point.
this is more about what he feels gets him to the highest level. he has big dreams.
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james
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03-26-24 01:31 PM - Post#366515
In response to james
no yale fan is feeling good on the topic. i started posting on this many months ago.
pretty sure i started the first discussion.
i coach kids who are offered NIL as have my children.
was way out in front of it and not in denial
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james
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03-26-24 01:37 PM - Post#366516
In response to james
i also have informally advised a group trying to start a collective for yale basketball.
there are roadblocks and the big money bball alums are mostly complacent.
others have detailed the tax implications of financial aid packages so i wont.
samson aletan was pitching chicken fingers on instagram during the ncaas
all are equally vulnerable.
i can make the case this undercuts HYP the most bc they dont take transfers generally
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palestra38
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03-26-24 01:37 PM - Post#366517
In response to james
Jay Wright was farther in front of it than anyone. Quit after a Final Four and preserved his legacy while still relatively young. He saw what was coming and that his style of grooming players for 2 years on the bench and keeping them for 4-5 years was never going to work in the NIL era.
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james
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03-26-24 01:43 PM - Post#366518
In response to palestra38
if you sit in Atlanta and care at all about SEC football this has been going on for 2 -3 years
coack k
roy williams
nick saban
all saw the writing on the wall also if not as early as jay wright
they all paid players their way and now they lost their edge
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james
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03-26-24 01:46 PM - Post#366519
In response to james
for fun search on x for the collectives affiliated with each school and or sport
its a high quality group particularly the auburn bball guy
like the wild west
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palestra38
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03-26-24 01:46 PM - Post#366520
In response to james
The irony of the situation was that Calipari was the best in the world at illegal payments but doesn't know what to do with the legal ones.
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penn nation
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03-26-24 02:07 PM - Post#366525
In response to james
Yeah, Wolf is from Glencoe--very high SES (I grew up in the next town over), went to private Jewish day school, went to prep school.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-26-24 02:26 PM - Post#366528
In response to penn nation
Yeah, Wolf is from Glencoe--very high SES (I grew up in the next town over), went to private Jewish day school, went to prep school.
So he is probably a full pay; NIL money from a co-op would not impact any putative financial aid package -BUT-there is no co-op to provide the NIL money.
On a different subject, I know that Johns Hopkins is D-1 in lacrosse, D2 (or D3?) in everything else. Could the Ivies move to D2 in basketball and football and remain D1 in everything else?
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03-26-24 03:26 PM - Post#366536
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I remain an optimist about all of this. For one, it would not at all surprise me to see Congress step in and handle college sports and its various problems in the next 2-5 years (though we should be careful what we wish for). For another, I think the Ivy alumni will eventually get their wagons circled on the NIL thing. The fact that the Ivy League is behind the times shouldn't be surprising, but I think there are too many alumni who wouldn't want to see the D2 nuclear option happen.
Of course, I've been wrong before.
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03-26-24 03:52 PM - Post#366537
In response to iogyhufi
I will admit to not having run through all the permutations on all this, but how is going to D2 or D3 going to be better than the worst case scenario staying in D1? We fell behind when schools got really expensive and no scholarships, and started to catch up when financial aid became much more generous. Relying on recruiting players who want to play 4 years and get an Ivy degree has always been more or less part of the equation.
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 04:03 PM - Post#366538
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
On a different subject, I know that Johns Hopkins is D-1 in lacrosse, D2 (or D3?) in everything else. Could the Ivies move to D2 in basketball and football and remain D1 in everything else?
Not under current NCAA rules. The original D3/D1 split schools were grandfathered in at the time - Hobart, JHU (lacrosse) Colorado College (womens hockey and soccer) and RPI (hockey), think there may be a few others. But I have been wondering the same thing - does the changing landscape lead to an NCAA rule change? I don't see that D2 accomplishes much and the conferences don't seem ivy-image compatible, but D3 might be doable.
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palestra38
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 04:09 PM - Post#366539
In response to sparman
Better to sit back and wait for Division 1 to splinter as it did in football. There will be a place for us (not that I'm thinking the climax of West Side Story). Division 3 is not going to happen.
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CM
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03-26-24 04:47 PM - Post#366545
In response to Silver Maple
There are an increasing number of Ivy athletes who are tired of being asked to compete on the D1 level while being treated by their schools as D3 athletes.
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penn nation
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03-26-24 04:48 PM - Post#366546
In response to CM
I was thinking of that last night when watching Kayla Padilla play, she has mentioned this.
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CM
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03-26-24 04:50 PM - Post#366548
In response to palestra38
Well, he got Oscar Tshiebwe to stay another year by filling his pockets to the brim. And he's had top 5 recruiting classes for as far back as you care to go (including next year). So pretty sure Cal can still get the payments to clear. He might just not be that great an actual basketball coach.
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palestra38
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03-26-24 04:52 PM - Post#366552
In response to CM
Except as Cal accurately pointed out--you can't win with 18-19 year olds when the competition has 24 year old men out there. Cal will have to start buying veteran talent, but if he does that, the best high school players won't go because they don't want to sit on the bench (although it would be good for their game).
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CM
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03-26-24 05:04 PM - Post#366560
In response to palestra38
t's true. He basically has to decide what's more important: getting top recruits and sending them or the NBA after one year or winning more titles. Big Blue Nation is clearly more interested in the latter.
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james
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03-26-24 06:28 PM - Post#366567
In response to CM
i agree with you here.
it used to be kind of cute. now it's ridiculous
case in point: at yale the basketball team typically makes money net of expenses if you they get two high profile pay games per annum.
yet you put a 60 year old coach and his 7 ft center , etc on a connecting commercial flight to get to say lawrence kansas.
the revenue is redustributed throughout the athletic dept to fund like 34 sports.
this is very irritating to the coach and player as it should be especially when considering to fill out a schedule they have to do a fair amount of this type of travel.
on nil collectives, i have been disappointed by the bball alums eith means who have expressed little interest at this stage.
i think we need some bad catalysts (transfers and/or this d2/d3 possibility to heat up) to get real momentum unfortunately and even then it might take time.
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Penn90
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03-27-24 10:15 AM - Post#366594
In response to james
The Athletic ranks Mack as top player in portal. Slajchert is 55.
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rbg
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03-27-24 12:23 PM - Post#366599
In response to Penn90
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad)
Keller Boothby (Cornell; grad)
Darius Ervin (Cornell; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Isaiah Gray (Cornell; grad)
Sean Hansen (Cornell; grad)
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Matt Knowling (Yale; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Malik Mack (Harvard; sophomore)
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Robert McCrae III (Dartmouth; grad)
Liam Murphy (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph)
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad)
Evan Williams (Cornell; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad)
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad)
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Michaela Stanfield (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad)
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Coaches
Brian Earl (Cornell) - College of William & Mary
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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Go Green
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03-27-24 12:34 PM - Post#366600
In response to CM
t's true. He basically has to decide what's more important: getting top recruits and sending them or the NBA after one year or winning more titles. Big Blue Nation is clearly more interested in the latter.
UK says Coach Cal is staying.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story...
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palestra38
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03-27-24 12:37 PM - Post#366603
In response to Go Green
UK and $33 million say he is staying
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Naismith
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03-28-24 03:57 PM - Post#366646
In response to james
Sure, I think I'll go to Israel and play basketball.
Maybe you missed the news back in October when you were in pre-season workouts.
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JDP
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03-29-24 04:48 PM - Post#366688
In response to Naismith
Who said we were crying wolf about the NIL
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/17 738139821...
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penn nation
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03-29-24 04:51 PM - Post#366690
In response to JDP
I guess Harvard and Yale are finally now going to determine that now and only now there's an issue which must be dealt with leaguewide.
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james
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03-29-24 05:39 PM - Post#366697
In response to Naismith
you're a clown.
he had a strong a--s offer and will play for the national team.
but obviously i have no insight into what's in a kids head that is unrelated to me.
anyway dont worry i will limit all posts going forward
enjoy your darkness
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-29-24 09:41 PM - Post#366723
In response to JDP
I guess there were rumblings about Mack and Wolf, but this is still a tipping point for the league. They need to call a Godfather-style "Five Eight Families" meeting to see what they can do to maintain their star talent.
There's still plenty of great players who see the value of being a "big fish in a small pond" and getting an Ivy degree. (Lee and Pierce seem to recognize this, so I'm relieved about that.)
But something needs to be done to help players take advantage of NIL opportunities. Not the fishy "booster collective" slush funds, but legit things like sponsorships and social media promos. This is the Ivy League - our universities have more connections to big business than any other conference.
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JDP
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03-29-24 09:57 PM - Post#366725
In response to gokinsmen
Jones from Brown WBB to Northwestern
https://x.com/Raoul_000/status/1773 865733358850436...
joins Grace Sullivan from Bucknell who also announced going to Northwestern
https://x.com/Raoul_000/status/1773 756699431571599...
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CM
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-30-24 05:51 AM - Post#366728
In response to gokinsmen
So they get a good NIL deal, then what? Since it's income it adversely effects their financial aid package. Essentially any NIL money goes straight to the university as tuition.
Listen, until the Ivys pull their heads out of their a$$es and start offering scholarships any talk of NIL deals is silly.
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-03-24 10:51 PM - Post#366945
In response to CM
With everyone talking about how times are changing and how some coaches could work the old system but can't work the new one, I found this article interesting. It essentially makes the argument that the shoe companies created an oligopoly in college basketball, and that at least for the moment, NIL has broken that and has actually been a force for increased competition. This may or may not hold true for the Ivies, and they certainly have to be willing to play the game, but it's an interesting thought.
David Perry
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CM
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-04-24 06:32 AM - Post#366953
In response to dperry
I agree but haven't heard anyone offer how a robust NIL environment in the Ivys would address the financial aid issue - other than just writing off the first $X going straight towards tuition.
I might not be approaching this from the right angle, but I've not heard a solution that includes how the Ivys 'special' financial situation would work.
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Go Green
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-04-24 08:12 AM - Post#366954
In response to dperry
With everyone talking about how times are changing and how some coaches could work the old system but can't work the new one, I found this article interesting. It essentially makes the argument that the shoe companies created an oligopoly in college basketball, and that at least for the moment, NIL has broken that and has actually been a force for increased competition. This may or may not hold true for the Ivies, and they certainly have to be willing to play the game, but it's an interesting thought.
I found that article interesting as well. 
But it goes to show that Duke is screwed. In the NIL world, it is highly unlikely that they will ever reclaim their glory days. If the ACC implodes (and I think it will), Duke could very well end up in the Big East...
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-04-24 09:58 AM - Post#366962
In response to Go Green
But it goes to show that Duke is screwed.
Thereby making this all worth it.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Posts: 2275
Age: 73
Loc: Sandy, Utah
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-04-24 11:18 AM - Post#366965
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Agree.
But I find it more difficult to dislike Duke without coach K on the sidelines. His demeanor was grating.
We still have the obnoxious little "Dookies". Will they fade away?
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Streamers
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Posts: 8258
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-04-24 11:34 AM - Post#366968
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
That's my daughter you are talking about. Trust me, they aren't going anywhere.
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-04-24 12:10 PM - Post#366977
In response to Streamers
No offense intended. I spent two years there myself for post-graduate education in the Gene Banks Foster years.
But most of them probably would have a difficult time catching a basketball if you threw them one.
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Streamers
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04-04-24 02:49 PM - Post#366986
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I wasn't offended; I had as much antipathy for Duke hoops as anyone until I put it on hold for 4 years. They haven't really been good enough to hate since. I did get some insight into the culture during that time. It will transcend and survive any conference alignments.
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SRP
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04-04-24 03:17 PM - Post#366989
In response to Streamers
The only problem with the current system is that it is reducing fan interest in the NCAA men’s tournament and the sport in general. Lack of continuity in rosters makes the storylines and identification with teams weaker. The first weekend of the tournament still does great, what with all the marketing of bracketology and betting, but ratings are softening. Zach Edey and Purdue are the only long-running storyline left this year. NC State’s run and their charismatic big guy may have pulled in some extra eyeballs, and UConn may be enough of a dominant heavy to make the final against either one of these plucky contenders a compelling story. But last year’s final had horrible ratings. And God forbid if Alabama upsets UConn.
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-04-24 04:47 PM - Post#367003
In response to SRP
NC State’s charismatic big guy
How does he manage that spin move without carrying the ball and or shuffling his feet? I've looked at several clips but I can't tell.
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penn nation
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Posts: 21210
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04-04-24 04:56 PM - Post#367004
In response to SRP
The only problem with the current system is that it is reducing fan interest in the NCAA men’s tournament and the sport in general.
I'll say this, though. The NCAA women's tourney is just fantastic. The caliber of play is just unreal with these top teams, and even with some that have already been eliminated. More enjoyable to watch the women's games than the men's games...the crowds seem to be really into them as well.
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Silver Maple
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04-04-24 05:20 PM - Post#367006
In response to penn nation
Totally agree.
I stopped watching NBA basketball about 25 years ago because it had become unwatchable for me, and focused my attention on NCAA men's. I didn't really pay a whole lot of attention to the women, as I didn't find that game to be particularly exciting. I've now completely flipped on that. I'm increasingly finding the men's game to be uncompelling, and the women's game to be extremely entertaining. I've also really been enjoying the WNBA.
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Streamers
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04-04-24 06:26 PM - Post#367010
In response to SRP
The only problem with the current system is that it is reducing fan interest in the NCAA men’s tournament and the sport in general. Lack of continuity in rosters makes the storylines and identification with teams weaker.
It may be the only problem, but it is a very big one that will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs in a very real way.
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SRP
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04-04-24 08:23 PM - Post#367016
In response to Streamers
The women’s college game still has player continuity and storylines. See the Clark/Reese rematch this year. And of course Clark’s long-ball game is accessible to everybody.
BTW, here’s Rick Pitino “clarifying” his remarks about not enjoying coaching this year’s St. John’s team. His point about the MAAC getting poached may resonate with the concerns we all have about the Ivies.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1087104792572723 ?fs=...
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Silver Maple
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04-05-24 11:04 AM - Post#367041
In response to SRP
The women's game-- college and pro-- has another thing going for it: the teams actually run plays! And they play team defense!
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Mike Porter
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Reg: 11-21-04
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-05-24 01:24 PM - Post#367054
In response to SRP
The only problem with the current system is that it is reducing fan interest in the NCAA men’s tournament and the sport in general. Lack of continuity in rosters makes the storylines and identification with teams weaker. The first weekend of the tournament still does great, what with all the marketing of bracketology and betting, but ratings are softening. Zach Edey and Purdue are the only long-running storyline left this year. NC State’s run and their charismatic big guy may have pulled in some extra eyeballs, and UConn may be enough of a dominant heavy to make the final against either one of these plucky contenders a compelling story. But last year’s final had horrible ratings. And God forbid if Alabama upsets UConn.
Couldn't agree more. I've watched less college basketball this year than probably since before I started college more than 25 years ago. Part of that is my general displeasure of the direction of Penn's program (I think Coach Donahue is even worse equipped for this new recruiting world than he was for the old world in recruiting where he wasn't strong), but an even bigger part is the general demolition of what made college basketball great... players being "one of you" as a student, regional rivalries that matter, etc.
I blame college football... I was never a big fan (NFL is where it's at for me), but now it's ruined college basketball as well.
If even Ivy team's no longer hold on to continuity and retain the majority of it's best players, then my interests will continue to trend towards 0. I'm not interested in following a game of musical chairs.
I'm sure all across college basketball, I'm not alone in this feeling. I think the only way things change this path ahead is if people stop watching. Will be interesting to see what the market decides.
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palestra38
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-05-24 01:30 PM - Post#367057
In response to Mike Porter
That would indeed be a rich irony, if the constant striving for profit by non-profit universities resulted in killing the golden goose they were seeking to pluck.
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sparman
PhD Student
Posts: 1347
Reg: 12-08-04
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-05-24 02:47 PM - Post#367058
In response to palestra38
I'm sure some people will push for eliminating nonprofit status, but when you look at the footprint of the two main leagues, it's hard to imagine the congressional reps jeopardizing their jobs by voting against the prevailing sports religion in those states.
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JDP
Masters Student
Posts: 577
Reg: 11-23-04
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04-05-24 05:26 PM - Post#367064
In response to Silver Maple
Why I enjoy watching Ivy Women's basketball. A high level of competition across the league, played in a style that I enjoy.
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weinhauers_ghost
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04-06-24 02:16 AM - Post#367081
In response to JDP
I am in total agreement with Mike Porter's contention that college hoops is being ruined by power conference football. As a NYC native who went to an Ivy, I've never cared about power conference football, and I despise what the conference realignments it has driven have done to long-standing basketball rivalries.
I have watched mostly Ivy and mid major basketball this past winter, and beyond that, I have mostly paid attention to the high academic schools in power conferences, meaning the Northwesterns and Stanfords of that particular world.
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CM
Masters Student
Posts: 423
Reg: 10-11-18
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04-06-24 06:22 AM - Post#367082
In response to weinhauers_ghost
The effective dissolution of the old Big East at the altar of football was the canary in the coal mine. It's not been the same since, for me.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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04-06-24 08:52 PM - Post#367085
In response to CM
Amen. Even though the Big East is quite strong right now, I will never forget the old rivalries with Georgetown, St. Johns, Uconn, Villanova, and Syracuse when they were all in their prime. Providence, Seton Hall, and Boston College each also had some good years too. The conference rivalries were so intense. Those teams didn't need TV contracts and NIL to have fire. The games were like parking lot rumbles.
I don't hold anything against ACC basketball, but I won't shed a tear if the conference is shattered. They all made a greed play for football, and it would only be justice if the conference is ruined because of football.
The effective dissolution of the old Big East at the altar of football was the canary in the coal mine. It's not been the same since, for me.
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rbg
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04-07-24 08:26 PM - Post#367087
In response to Penndemonium
Clark Slajchert has cut his list to 8 - USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Michigan, Davidson, San Francisco and Utah State.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/pe nn-transf...
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Go Green
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04-08-24 09:28 AM - Post#367102
In response to Go Green
t's true. He basically has to decide what's more important: getting top recruits and sending them or the NBA after one year or winning more titles. Big Blue Nation is clearly more interested in the latter.
UK says Coach Cal is staying.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story...
It appears that both Coach Cal and UK will get their respective wishes.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/john-caliparis -stunni...
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Bruno
PhD Student
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04-09-24 08:37 AM - Post#367145
In response to Go Green
Perfect storm for Ivies and I worry about how competitive we are in five years. For a decade we’ve been bringing in better talent than we have historically, and between NIL, the transfer rule changes and the higher profile of the league in general, the incentive to go to big conference team - even to take a much smaller role - is proving hard to overcome. We’re becoming a showcase league for our best talent, and fewer of our All-Ivy players will end up playing four years with us.
Maybe that’s not unique to the Ivies, but I’d argue we are more vulnerable to that than most conferences given our unique fact pattern.
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gokinsmen
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-09-24 03:25 PM - Post#367166
In response to Bruno
It may be time to reinstate the one-year waiting period for transfers.
Waivers would still be granted in special situations - e.g. head coach leaves suddenly; family emergency makes a player stay close to home. But otherwise, transfers would go back to losing a year of eligibility by leaving.
I feel like programs are already sick of the current portal, even the ones that can reload with top talent. It's just exhausting to have to completely rebuild your team every spring in addition to normal high school recruiting.
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palestra38
Professor
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-09-24 03:50 PM - Post#367167
In response to gokinsmen
I don't think it would hold up in court absent a contract for a term. In other words, a true professional contract. While we are in this netherworld of pseudo-contract, and players are paid through a questionable "NIL Collective" setup, you can't really limit the options of a player---he is just capitalizing (in fiction) on his name and likeness, which the Supreme Court has said college athletes have the right to do. As long as there is not an employment contract like NBA players have, I don't think you can shut the portal.
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gokinsmen
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-09-24 04:59 PM - Post#367172
In response to palestra38
It wouldn't be shutting down the portal - just going back to pre-2021 rules. That is to say, the way it's always been until very recently. Players can still transfer if they want. They just won't have immediate eligibility without extenuating circumstances.
As a result, I don't think the courts would have a say - the NCAA was the one who changed the transfer rules to begin with. But I don't think even they expected this much chaos. It's gotten out of control.
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Chip Bayers
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04-09-24 06:22 PM - Post#367174
In response to Penndemonium
Amen. Even though the Big East is quite strong right now, I will never forget the old rivalries with Georgetown, St. Johns, Uconn, Villanova, and Syracuse when they were all in their prime. Providence, Seton Hall, and Boston College each also had some good years too. The conference rivalries were so intense. Those teams didn't need TV contracts and NIL to have fire. The games were like parking lot rumbles.
Except Dave Gavitt created the Big East as a TV conference, and sold it to ESPN to headline Big Monday BITD. Boeheim, for example, sold LA kid Stevie Thompson on the fact his family would be able to see him on national TV constantly if he came to the cold and isolation of upstate NY.
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Go Green
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04-10-24 06:09 AM - Post#367184
In response to Chip Bayers
Except Dave Gavitt created the Big East as a TV conference, and sold it to ESPN to headline Big Monday BITD. Boeheim, for example, sold LA kid Stevie Thompson on the fact his family would be able to see him on national TV constantly if he came to the cold and isolation of upstate NY.
Yep. Although the Big East didn't hurt any other conferences, it did hurt a lot of independent programs that were relevant prior to the formation of the BE. Among others, Iona, (then) Detroit, DePaul (although it eventually joined the BE) were competitive programs until the BE was formed.
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penn nation
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04-10-24 08:15 AM - Post#367190
In response to Go Green
DePaul's basketball history was rich, but aside from the Mikan era the height of its basketball prowess actually coincided with the formation of the Big East through its initial decade.
TV was important here, too--the Blue Demons had many of their games during this time on WGN which was a superstation back then.
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Go Green
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04-10-24 01:39 PM - Post#367217
In response to rbg
USC wins.
https://www.uscbasketball.com/men/37869-clark-slaj...
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SomeGuy
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
04-10-24 03:08 PM - Post#367230
In response to gokinsmen
I think P38 is right about how it would play out. If they reinstate the one year rule, I think the NCAA gets sued for sure (so the courts will get a say in a sense, regardless of outcome). And I think the most likely scenario in the current environment is that a court says they can’t restrict player movement even in that limited way. So I think free movement is here to stay. Stinks for our league from a competitive standpoint, but I think it’s the world we are going to be living in.
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Streamers
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04-10-24 03:48 PM - Post#367232
In response to Go Green
I would have guessed Stanford, but this makes sense too.
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penn nation
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04-10-24 05:38 PM - Post#367241
In response to Streamers
He is from LA, so it's certainly a lot closer than Stanford.
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Bruno
PhD Student
Posts: 1419
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-10-24 11:29 PM - Post#367252
In response to penn nation
Ivies now have a disincentive for their freshmen to go off and show too much.
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weinhauers_ghost
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04-11-24 06:17 AM - Post#367255
In response to Bruno
Ivies now have a disincentive for their freshmen to go off and show too much.
Are you advocating a return to the days of freshman ineligibility?
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JDP
Masters Student
Posts: 577
Reg: 11-23-04
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04-13-24 11:05 AM - Post#367360
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Per Women's Basketball Blog: Princeton WBB grad transfer Chet Nweke (6-0 SR wing, Woodbine, MD) has announced her commitment to Georgetown
https://twitter.com/Raoul_000/status/1778 971701935...
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palestra38
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Posts: 32834
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04-14-24 07:15 AM - Post#367381
In response to JDP
Per 247---Perkins to Villanova
https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketbal l/trans...
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Bruno
PhD Student
Posts: 1419
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-14-24 06:45 PM - Post#367405
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Omg why didn’t I think of that??
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weinhauers_ghost
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04-15-24 12:05 AM - Post#367410
In response to Bruno
Omg why didn’t I think of that??
Because it was too painful to contemplate.
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scoop85
Freshman
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Loc: Goshen, NY
Reg: 02-16-12
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04-17-24 02:19 PM - Post#367537
In response to weinhauers_ghost
No drama since he's a grad transfer, but Sean Hansen is doing his extra year at GW.
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rbg
Postdoc
Posts: 3058
Reg: 10-20-14
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04-17-24 02:48 PM - Post#367539
In response to scoop85
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad)
Kalu Anya (Brown; junior)
Yussif Basa-Ama (Yale; grad)
Keller Boothby (Cornell; grad)
Vernon Collins (Princeton; junior)
Ryan Duncan (Princeton; sophomore)
Darius Ervin (Cornell; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Isaiah Gray (Cornell; grad)
Sean Hansen (Cornell; grad) - George Washington
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Matt Knowling (Yale; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Malik Mack (Harvard; sophomore) -Georgetown
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Robert McCrae III (Dartmouth; grad)
Liam Murphy (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph) - Villanova
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Jack Scott (Princeton; junior)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad) - USC
Evan Williams (Cornell; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad) - Northwestern
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad) - Georgetown
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Michaela Stanfield (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad) - Dayton
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Coaching Changes
Brian Earl (Cornell) - College of William & Mary
Emily Garner (Trinity) - Cornell
Jon Jaques (Cornell assistant) - Cornell
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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rbg
Postdoc
Posts: 3058
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04-22-24 12:12 PM - Post#367690
In response to rbg
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad) - Notre Dame
Kalu Anya (Brown; junior)
Yussif Basa-Ama (Yale; grad)
Keller Boothby (Cornell; grad)
Vernon Collins (Princeton; junior)
Ryan Duncan (Princeton; sophomore)
Darius Ervin (Cornell; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Isaiah Gray (Cornell; grad)
Sean Hansen (Cornell; grad) - George Washington
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Matt Knowling (Yale; grad) - USC
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Malik Mack (Harvard; sophomore) -Georgetown
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Robert McCrae III (Dartmouth; grad)
Liam Murphy (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph) - Villanova
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Derek Sangster (Princeton; sophomore)
Jack Scott (Princeton; junior)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad) - USC
Evan Williams (Cornell; grad)
Danny Wolf (Yale; junior) - Michigan
Ethan Roberts (Drake; junior) - Penn
Michael Zanoni (Mercer; junior) - Penn
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad) - Northwestern
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad) - Georgetown
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Michaela Stanfield (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad) - Dayton
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Marija Avlijas (Mississippi, sophomore) - Columbia
Coaching Changes
Brian Earl (Cornell) - College of William & Mary
Emily Garner (Trinity) - Cornell
Jon Jaques (Cornell assistant) - Cornell
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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04-22-24 06:36 PM - Post#367704
In response to rbg
Given that he took a medical redshirt, wouldn't Zanoni be considered a redshirt sophomore, with three years of eligibility remaining?
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Old Bear
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04-27-24 09:21 AM - Post#367824
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Welcome back, Nana. I guess not everybody who enters the portal departs.
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CM
Masters Student
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Reg: 10-11-18
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04-27-24 09:23 AM - Post#367825
In response to rbg
https://twitter.com/jennhatfield1/status/ 178357486...
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Tiger69
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Posts: 2816
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04-27-24 10:53 AM - Post#367831
In response to Old Bear
Why leave Brown as a senior? I guess he thought it over.
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rbg
Postdoc
Posts: 3058
Reg: 10-20-14
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04-28-24 01:27 PM - Post#367861
In response to weinhauers_ghost
You're probably right about Zanoni having 3 seasons left, since he didn't play last year.
If Penn has him coming in as a sophomore, then he can play 3 years for the Quakers. Of course, if he's really good in any of his seasons, he may not last that many years at Penn.
If Penn has him coming in as a junior (maybe that would be based on transferred academic credits?), then he could only play 2 years for Penn.
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rbg
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04-28-24 01:31 PM - Post#367862
In response to rbg
MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad) - Notre Dame
Kalu Anya (Brown; junior)
Yussif Basa-Ama (Yale; grad)
Keller Boothby (Cornell; grad)
Vernon Collins (Princeton; junior)
Ryan Duncan (Princeton; sophomore)
Darius Ervin (Cornell; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Isaiah Gray (Cornell; grad)
Sean Hansen (Cornell; grad) - George Washington
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Matt Knowling (Yale; grad) - USC
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Malik Mack (Harvard; sophomore) - Georgetown
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Robert McCrae III (Dartmouth; grad)
Liam Murphy (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior) - Brown
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph) - Villanova
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Derek Sangster (Princeton; sophomore)
Jack Scott (Princeton; junior) - William & Mary
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad) - USC
Evan Williams (Cornell; grad)
Danny Wolf (Yale; junior) - Michigan
Ethan Roberts (Drake; junior) - Penn
Michael Zanoni (Mercer; junior) - Penn
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad) - UConn
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad) - Northwestern
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad) - Georgetown
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Michaela Stanfield (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad) - Dayton
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Marija Avlijas (Mississippi, sophomore) - Columbia
Coaching Changes
Brian Earl (Cornell) - William & Mary
Emily Garner (Trinity) - Cornell
Jon Jaques (Cornell assistant) - Cornell
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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Bryan
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04-28-24 01:46 PM - Post#367864
In response to rbg
rbg, thanks for compiling and updating this list. One addition, Zach Martini to Rutgers.
https://scarletknights.com/news/2024/4/9/mens-ba sk...
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