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Bruno 
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12-04-24 08:57 AM - Post#375129    

So much easier to root for a Columbia than it is for a P, Y or H. This 8-0 start is very impressive. Now they may have played the single softest schedule in the nation, and few of those games they only squeaked by, but they've also dominated a few of the teams they're supposed to and of course the Nova win on the road, even in a down year for Nova, was fantastic. If they can pull off a road win tonight at Albany they're looking at a 12-0 start. And De La Rosa's performance thus far notwithstanding, they do it as a team with lots of contributions up and down. I'm a fan.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
Dr. V 
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12-04-24 10:17 AM - Post#375137    
    In response to Bruno

Bruno, despite what people may say about you, you are a good man.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-04-24 01:33 PM - Post#375147    
    In response to Dr. V

Columbia Women just defeated San Francisco 71-69 at home at Levien Gymnasium. Riley Weiss and Mia Broom had solid games for the Lions.

 
cc66 
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12-04-24 02:09 PM - Post#375148    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Actually, 81-79,but 24 for Weiss and 13 on 3 out 5 for Broom.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Men
12-04-24 02:57 PM - Post#375150    
    In response to cc66

Stats generally in favor of Columbia, but 11-21 on FT's almost cost them the game.

Quick look suggests that is their achilles heel: 58.1% on the season.

If you exclude Weiss (85%) and Collins (70%), the remainder of the squad shoots 38.8%. Is that an anomoly, or a potential problem?

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 12-04-24 03:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Dr. V 
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12-04-24 06:09 PM - Post#375168    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Unfortunately, it looks like an actual rather than a potential problem. As you noted, this year the team is shooting at 574%. Last year they shot at 713%. Hsu shot at 752% and took more FTs than anyone else, so that helped our average. Last year Collins shot at 861%, Page at 756% and Weiss at 733%, but Kitty was at 596% and Rafue also at 596%.

 
cc66 
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12-04-24 07:26 PM - Post#375171    
    In response to Dr. V

And we're down by 17 at the half against Albany, 55-38, so without a pretty extraordinary second half, any chance of a 12-0 start will now evaporate.

 
penn nation 
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12-04-24 07:32 PM - Post#375172    
    In response to cc66

Rubio DLR having a very, very rough go of it--Great Danes are all over him, giving him zero room to operate.

 
penn nation 
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12-04-24 07:39 PM - Post#375173    
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Well, he's deciding to take it to the hoop so far this half, and so far it's working.

 
penn nation 
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12-04-24 08:24 PM - Post#375175    
    In response to penn nation

With a little over 2 minutes to go, Albany has 6 guys who have hit at least two 3 pointers. Been bombs away tonight although in truth Columbia has been outplayed in pretty much every facet of the game.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-04-24 08:31 PM - Post#375176    
    In response to penn nation

Final score Albany 88- Columbia 73

 
penn nation 
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12-04-24 08:32 PM - Post#375177    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

  • Columbia 37P6 Said:
Final score Albany 88- Columbia 73



And it was a lot worse than that final score.


 
cc66 
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12-04-24 08:40 PM - Post#375178    
    In response to penn nation

We said that the glory of a 8-0 start, even if you faced poor teams, was that usually one of them might beat us. Well, we have apparently run out the string as far as it could go--we faced a good team tonight that hit endless 3s, and the result was a mini-disaster.



 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-04-24 08:47 PM - Post#375179    
    In response to cc66

Merchant Marine Academy and Sarah Lawrence are next up for Columbia

 
Bruno 
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12-04-24 11:17 PM - Post#375190    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I just haaaaad to post about a 12-0 start.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
Chet Forte 
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12-05-24 08:02 AM - Post#375198    
    In response to Bruno

We are going to see this type of defense in the IL. DLR is going to be mugged, and Engles will have to figure out how to deal with it.


 
TheLine 
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12-05-24 09:10 AM - Post#375201    
    In response to Chet Forte

Yes.

I picked the right game to miss. But this has me concerned.

Problem #1 - the scheduling of too many cupcakes is not preparing the team for IL play. Other than Nova and Albany, the schedule has been too light (though the Lehigh win has aged better than expected). The next 3 games against 2 D-IIIs and a down Fairfield aren't going to tell us much.

Problem #2 - 19 turnovers? You can't win with that many. Sloppy ballhandling won't cut it in league play.

Problem #3 - Albany shot 15-33 from 3. Not good.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-05-24 10:59 AM - Post#375207    
    In response to TheLine

A "cupcake schedule" is not intended to prepare an ivy League Basketball Team for Ivy League play. That is not the intention. A "cupcake schedule" allows the stronger IL teams to play their subs. Another intent might be to improve a team's record, but no one will ever admit to that.

 
Chet Forte 
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12-05-24 01:12 PM - Post#375212    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Looks like Engles went deep into the bench—had to miss the game; would appreciate any insights on the younger guys.


 
TheLine 
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12-06-24 08:50 AM - Post#375255    
    In response to Chet Forte

Proof the cupcake games aren't needed to play subs, plus they should be getting plenty of run-out over the next two games.

At this point I'm more concerned that the team isn't getting enough of a taste of what league play is going to look like - it's going to be different than playing Mercyhurst and Stony Brook, much less Merchant Marine and Sarah Lawrence.

Anyone know why Robledo didn't play?


 
cc66 
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12-06-24 09:45 AM - Post#375263    
    In response to TheLine

I read that he's on some kind of personal leave of unknown duration. They were very vague about the reasons.

 
TheLine 
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12-06-24 09:52 AM - Post#375264    
    In response to cc66

I hope he’s back before league play. He has been a solid contributor.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-06-24 10:29 AM - Post#375268    
    In response to TheLine

I share your concerns about the cupcake games and it is noteworthy that many of the cupcakes themselves treat the "games" as "exhibitions. Another problem, of course, is that Columbia has had trouble in the past in winning closely played Ivy League basketball games. Most of the cupcake games turn into routs where neither the players nor the coaches benefit from competing against players and coaches with lesser skills.



 
TheLine 
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12-06-24 01:33 PM - Post#375284    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I'm going to tomorrow's game and expect to see extended time for the Sophs and Frosh.

I'm already sold on Ritter and wouldn't be surprised if he earns the most minutes at center by the end of the year.

Two questions for the next games:

Who is the primary backup at guard, not know Cooper's status? Seems like it's up for grabs with Cunningham or Cobb being the most likely candidates. I would like Engels to try Robledo - if he's available - as a backup 3 alongside Thompson at 4.

But if Robledo is out for an extended period then who is Thompson's backup?


 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-06-24 05:55 PM - Post#375289    
    In response to TheLine

I am also sold on Ritter. Indeed it is likely that he earns the most minutes at center by the end of the year. Now here's my question for you. Do you mean the current calendar year ending December 31, 2024 or the end of the basketball year in March, 2025? I hope you mean the former because it's crucial for Columbia to strengthen its front court prior to the start of the Ivy League season. During the 2023-24 season the Lions' backcourt played very well, but the front court was not as strong as its competition. I can see that all changing for the better if the coaching staff uses a starting line-up up front of Ritter at center alongside Thompson and Bedri. Tavroff will be a fine back-up for Ritter at center. Robledo, Clarkson and Arop can back up Thompson and Bedri at forward, Incidentally, I would not be surprised if you told me that Columbia has already used that line-up aa I have not watched every minute of every game.

 
TheLine 
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12-06-24 07:47 PM - Post#375290    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

As far as Ritter - yes to both. As much as I like Bedri and Tavroff, Ritter is a different level of talent. Let's find out what we got.

Bedri, Tavroff and Ritter all like occupying the same spaces on the court. While not opposed to trying things out over the next 3 games, I'm doubting that putting two of them on the court at the same time is going to work on defense or offense. I've been checking the box scores to see if Engels has tried it, and I don't believe he has.


 
cc66 
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12-06-24 08:18 PM - Post#375292    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

We can't play 6. If you start Ritter, Thompson, and Bedri, which one of Brown, DLR, and Noland are you sitting down???

Edited by cc66 on 12-06-24 08:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-07-24 09:33 AM - Post#375295    
    In response to cc66

Understood and agreed--we will leave that to the coaching staff--the point is that we need to improve dramatically in the front court if we are going compete for the Ivy League Championship this year. Our backcourt players are very talented and experienced, but our opponents have been killing us in the paint since Engles took charge of the program. Incidentally, whatever happened to Arop and Nweke? I thought Arop was supposed to be a pro
prospect and Nweke a major talent.

 
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